VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

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XaGnard

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hzjujk said:
First of all, L&P wrote at some point that Sam is honest with Sophia. So even if it looks like that, there is no conspiracy!
Sam is completely exaggerated in terms of his abilities and appearance and Sophia is, although it hasn't been explicitly said, totally in love with Sam. This is the only way to explain her intoxicated behavior when she is near him. This is the only way to explain why Sophia simply overlooks Sam's misbehavior, his narcissism. (Perhaps also because Sophia also has narcissistic traits.)
For me, the reason also why Sam is seen and discussed so controversially is that his route is closest to an NTR or Mom-NTR route in terms of content (please don't turn this into an NTR debate, there are enough of those in other threads!!!!!!!!!)
I gave up on the Sam route at the end of the very erotic episode when Sophia visited Sam in his room. At the end, when his sister tried to enter his room, Sam of course refused her and finally commented on her behavior with the words "I don't know what's wrong with her today, she's probably on her period." It wasn't Sam's derogatory comment that bothered me so much, but the fact that L&P didn't let Sophia react to it in any way. That was the end of the road for me.
But that's a personal decision and interpretation of his behavior and that of Sophia.
Together with L&P's statement, you can instead say that it's normal teenage behavior from Sam and he's just trying to impress Sophia with his abilities and his "coolness".
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I think just having Sam as a separate side story is boring. His strength in the story is his role as an antagonist to Dylan. That Sam is so over-perfect gives the player a measure to judge Dylan and how much effort it took him to get Sophia to where she is now (even if there is still a lot of potential for improvement).

Also, Sam's story, because it is somehow connected to Dylan's story, is a bigger storytelling opportunity than most of the other side characters in AWAM. Does Dylan find out what is going on between Sophia and Sam (maybe peeking into Sam's room through the window), and how does he react, or rather, what are the implications for Sophia if Dylan finds out? Sam-Sophia-Dylan is a much better story than just going through a bunch of subplots where Sophia interacts with way to many characters in the same who are otherwise not related to the main story (Sophia as "A wife and mother"). The fact that Sam once uttered a sentence that didn't seem to fit to his all perfect hero role is strange, because it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the story, but not the end of his path as a counterpart to Dylan. I at least hope that L&P will expand the story between the three of them.

I think the story of Sam alone, without the connection to Dylan, is pretty boring, because Sam is just too perfect. It would be the story of a hero who just gets everything without any effort. He's just boring as a character and brings nothing to the story other than his connection to Dylan.
 
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tofhdns said:
I don't enjoy discussions here anymore.
I've never enjoyed discussions here.

The reason I participated in discussions/arguments here in the past was because I couldn't stand hanging out with ignorant people.

I just wanted to give them common sense because I had no intention of leaving here. For my own sake.

Even now, I didn't write to make excuses.

I'm a target of debate for some people.
If I don't write at all from now on, it doesn't matter, but I wrote it in the hope that when I do, someone (even if it's not you) won't ask me about it.

And I understand most of what you wrote, but I didn't Passing the buck the translation tool or translation miss.

As I said, in my language, "creation" in creation of heaven and earth, and "creation" in video creator have different words and are not usually used interchangeably.

That's why I have a hard time understanding/distinguishing the words you use.
- You can just say "creative", but I have to use a long and supplementary sentence to convey my meaning.

About this topic, I'm talking about the difficulty of it and I'm saying I have no intention of doing so.

Anyway, this is not as light as discussing whether Sophia will have sex or not, so I don't want to discuss this topic anymore.
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Absolute masterclass

 
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XaGnard said:
I think just having Sam as a separate side story is boring. His strength in the story is his role as an antagonist to Dylan. That Sam is so over-perfect gives the player a measure to judge Dylan and how much effort it took him to get Sophia to where she is now (even if there is still a lot of potential for improvement).

Also, Sam's story, because it is somehow connected to Dylan's story, is a bigger storytelling opportunity than most of the other side characters in AWAM. Does Dylan find out what is going on between Sophia and Sam (maybe peeking into Sam's room through the window), and how does he react, or rather, what are the implications for Sophia if Dylan finds out? Sam-Sophia-Dylan is a much better story than just going through a bunch of subplots where Sophia interacts with way to many characters in the same who are otherwise not related to the main story (Sophia as "A wife and mother"). The fact that Sam once uttered a sentence that didn't seem to fit to his all perfect hero role is strange, because it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the story, but not the end of his path as a counterpart to Dylan. I at least hope that L&P will expand the story between the three of them.

I think the story of Sam alone, without the connection to Dylan, is pretty boring, because Sam is just too perfect. It would be the story of a hero who just gets everything without any effort. He's just boring as a character and brings nothing to the story other than his connection to Dylan.
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Many have commented on the same topic and would love to see a Sam Sophia Dylan storyline but L&P hasn't given any consideration what his subscribers would like to see. He's instead wasting time on unnecessary side stories. I would certainly become a subscriber if he gives importance to the main storyline (Sam Sophia Dylan).
 
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XaGnard said:
I think just having Sam as a separate side story is boring. His strength in the story is his role as an antagonist to Dylan. That Sam is so over-perfect gives the player a measure to judge Dylan and how much effort it took him to get Sophia to where she is now (even if there is still a lot of potential for improvement).

Also, Sam's story, because it is somehow connected to Dylan's story, is a bigger storytelling opportunity than most of the other side characters in AWAM. Does Dylan find out what is going on between Sophia and Sam (maybe peeking into Sam's room through the window), and how does he react, or rather, what are the implications for Sophia if Dylan finds out? Sam-Sophia-Dylan is a much better story than just going through a bunch of subplots where Sophia interacts with way to many characters in the same who are otherwise not related to the main story (Sophia as "A wife and mother"). The fact that Sam once uttered a sentence that didn't seem to fit to his all perfect hero role is strange, because it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the story, but not the end of his path as a counterpart to Dylan. I at least hope that L&P will expand the story between the three of them.

I think the story of Sam alone, without the connection to Dylan, is pretty boring, because Sam is just too perfect. It would be the story of a hero who just gets everything without any effort. He's just boring as a character and brings nothing to the story other than his connection to Dylan.
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I agree, a Sam-Sophia-Dylan route would be a better story for me too. But a serious discussion of this love triangle would definitely go beyond the scope of this porn story and would be completely overwhelming for some players here.
I also think that the dynamic that would be unleashed if Sam or Dylan found out that Sophia had sex with both of them would force the author L&P into writer's block.
Of course, I don't mean simple routes like the cuckold route or the mini-harem route (Sam/Dylan) for Sophia.
I can't even tell you how complicated I think it is to tell such a route, the endless dialogues, inner thoughts and interactions between the three (without sex) and at the same time maintain the erotic tension (if you really take this route seriously).
If you have any suggestions for such a route(s), I would love to read them. Not because I lack imagination, but because my routes for these three characters simply don't fit into the simple world of this porn game.
 
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hzjujk said:
I agree, a Sam-Sophia-Dylan route would be a better story for me too. But a serious discussion of this love triangle would definitely go beyond the scope of this porn story and would be completely overwhelming for some players here.
I also think that the dynamic that would be unleashed if Sam or Dylan found out that Sophia had sex with both of them would force the author L&P into writer's block.
Of course, I don't mean simple routes like the cuckold route or the mini-harem route (Sam/Dylan) for Sophia.
I can't even tell you how complicated I think it is to tell such a route, the endless dialogues, inner thoughts and interactions between the three (without sex) and at the same time maintain the erotic tension (if you really take this route seriously).
If you have any suggestions for such a route(s), I would love to read them. Not because I lack imagination, but because my routes for these three characters simply don't fit into the simple world of this porn game.
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The game when (if) finished should have a "shut the fuck up mode" that gets rid of nearly all of the internal dialogue and some of the unnecessary blabbing/descriptions.
 
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hzjujk said:
I agree, a Sam-Sophia-Dylan route would be a better story for me too. But a serious discussion of this love triangle would definitely go beyond the scope of this porn story and would be completely overwhelming for some players here.
I also think that the dynamic that would be unleashed if Sam or Dylan found out that Sophia had sex with both of them would force the author L&P into writer's block.
Of course, I don't mean simple routes like the cuckold route or the mini-harem route (Sam/Dylan) for Sophia.
I can't even tell you how complicated I think it is to tell such a route, the endless dialogues, inner thoughts and interactions between the three (without sex) and at the same time maintain the erotic tension (if you really take this route seriously).
If you have any suggestions for such a route(s), I would love to read them. Not because I lack imagination, but because my routes for these three characters simply don't fit into the simple world of this porn game.
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If L&P prioritizes the main storyline (Sam Dylan and Sophia) more people are going to subscribe and with more money he can hire a script writer if he thinks he's going to have writer's block.
 
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not every update needs animation.. this would fasten the development time
moreover 2-3 events should be clubbed back into one update this would also fasten the development time
 
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dan_roger69 said:
If L&P prioritizes the main storyline (Sam Dylan and Sophia) more people are going to subscribe and with more money he can hire a script writer if he thinks he's going to have writer's block.
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You're missing Ellie and Patricia. Ellie is more popular than Sam, and neither would get where they have without Patricia
 
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Anteron said:
The game when (if) finished should have a "shut the fuck up mode" that gets rid of nearly all of the internal dialogue and some of the unnecessary blabbing/descriptions.
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Well, since spending time in this thread makes my head turn sour anyway, that would be very helpful to me.
 
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