VN Ren'Py A Wife's Life [v0.8.0] [Kerosine_NTR]

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

I apologize for commenting here without the creator's permission. If my comment causes any issues, they can contact me, and I'll remove it immediately.


This is incorrect.

I understand the tendency to gatekeep a broad category to fit personal preferences and to push creators toward content you enjoy. While I don’t like this approach, it’s relatable enough to ignore, normally.

But when you discredit two creators who are arguably more successful and talented than you, it weakens your argument. It comes across not only as insecure but also as unjustifiably dumb.

Netorare is a genre of art focused on infidelity. Netorare storylines typically focus on the internal distress caused by one member in a relationship cheating on the other. The interpretations of the word might vary, but they all hold.

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't give two shits about "gatekeeping" or pushing a dev
or creator. You make no sense. And are so late to this conversation. And why are you apologizing, anyway?
This is an open forum for discussion. You seem to be trying to ingratiate yourself here.

The fact is I am right.

寝取る 【ねとる】 Netoru (v5r) to steal another's wife (husband, lover)

NOT Infidelity. Have you ever actually watched NTR?
The only reason cuckold is associated with it is that is how the west sees it.
They don't understand the complexities of Japanese society or what it's norms
and taboos are. And they don't care. This is my culture we're talking about.
And you're trying to tell me I don't understand my own culture is absurd.
I'm not some weeb or anime okatu. Getting my lessons from the TV.
This is my life. No I don't live in Japan. But it's my ancestry.
I understand it.

Netorare is NOT about infidelity. It's about corruption. PERIOD.
Nagasare (NGR/NTS) is when the spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend goes along with it. "Goes with the flow".
Which is what it fuggin means in Japanese. Which, as I said, I happen to be a member of that culture.
Estranged sure, but I very much understand what it means.

And you don't need permission to post here.

"But when you discredit two creators who are arguably more successful and talented than you"

You have no idea what my success level is. You don't know me at all. And you clearly don't know
my history on this thread. From supporting Kerosene and his project, to working on a remaster of
his project to fix all the broken code. Something this community wanted me to do.
Because I believed in this project. I came on here and talked people in to joining his Patreon to support
him and toward his Discord, which is you really want to kiss is ass so hard just scroll back a bit, find all
my posts linking it, join it and feel free to add BBC videos.
Say hi to Horsey for me, I miss him.

What? You think I'm just some naggy fangirl? Or did you think I was a "fanguy"? Sorry, no.
I have no beef with Kerosene AT ALL. He and I have spoken. At one point we were on the same
page about fixing A Wife's Life. We can disagree without hatred and I can comment and critique
all I want. I WANT A Wife's Life to be better. That is why I'm here. If he asked me for help
tomorrow I would gladly give it. He won't but hey. It's his project. He can do what he wants.
And that has always been the point. And what two creators? A Wife's Life is made by 4 guys.
Maybe 3. I forget. He recently replaced 2 members.

It's people like you and posts like yours that keep ruining this genre. By continually spreading
misinformation to further your OWN interpretation.

I'm here to set it straight and educate on what it truly is.
If devs listen, great. And I do advise some on this topic to make better stories.
Because in the end that's what all these people want. GOOD STORIES.
And with NTR, at least getting it right for a change.

Fun fact. Being Japanese, my computer is set up to work in Japanese.
Meaning I not only have a "Japanese keyboard" but a built in dictionary.
Which is where that definition came from. I actually interact in Japanese online
on Japanese websites. I play games on Japanese servers. Meaning I interact with
my people. If you messaged me privately and spoke to me, you would know this.
You know.. like everyone else on here. I talk privately with a lot of people on here privately.
It's easy to reach out and find out the kind of person I am and interact with me.

Feel free to keep posting. You don't have to ask to do it and kowtow like that.
You're like one of these MCs SMH

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

As for Nafig, he's been saying dumb shit forever. We're all used to it.

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

And actually, now that I look at it, my point is very much being made here
on how NTR isn't understood. Because if all you see is infidelity and cheating.
And to you all it is is cuckolding, because if a partner has sex with someone
else for ANY reason may it be rape, intoxication or coercion it's infidelity and cheating.
And all women are whores no matter what and guys are kings no matter what and can do
no wrong, but only be wronged. Then you truly have no idea what NTR is and never will.
This is why NTR gets defined as cuckolding. Because it's the only way the person defining
it can perceive it. They have no idea what corruption means or how the social system works
in Japan. You probably only see Japanese women as precious willows that walk behind their
men and are super subservient. You know. Western stereotypes. Like black men having massive
cocks. I can tell you, personally, how untrue that is. But unless you suck one yourself how would
you know? All that matters is the illusion you see in porn. And that is your reality.
I mean you can't even process how racist the BBC trope actually is. That hung black men
are wicked and lustful of your white women. Pure Birth of a Nation shit. That if you let your women
around these men they will ruin them and convert them to their wickedness. Taint them.
Those women will never want a white man ever again.
Well I lost my virginity to a decently hung black guy. I love white men. He didn't convert me.
Not like he was trying. And I've known much bigger white men. So myth busted.
But you won't listen to me. What do I know?

 

[Urfin jus]

And actually, now that I look at it, my point is very much being made here
on how NTR isn't understood. Because if all you see is infidelity and cheating.
And to you all it is is cuckolding, because if a partner has sex with someone
else for ANY reason may it be rape, intoxication or coercion it's infidelity and cheating.
And all women are whores no matter what and guys are kings no matter what and can do
no wrong, but only be wronged. Then you truly have no idea what NTR is and never will.
This is why NTR gets defined as cuckolding. Because it's the only way the person defining
it can perceive it. They have no idea what corruption means or how the social system works
in Japan. You probably only see Japanese women as precious willows that walk behind their
men and are super subservient. You know. Western stereotypes. Like black men having massive
cocks. I can tell you, personally, how untrue that is. But unless you suck one yourself how would
you know? All that matters is the illusion you see in porn. And that is your reality.
I mean you can't even process how racist the BBC trope actually is. That hung black men
are wicked and lustful of your white women. Pure Birth of a Nation shit. That if you let your women
around these men they will ruin them and convert them to their wickedness. Taint them.
Those women will never want a white man ever again.
Well I lost my virginity to a decently hung black guy. I love white men. He didn't convert me.
Not like he was trying. And I've known much bigger white men. So myth busted.
But you won't listen to me. What do I know?

ブラボー
Two people looked out of the same window.
One saw rain and mud, The other saw the green foliage, Spring and the blue sky. Two people looked out of the same window.

 

[Liturgy]

I don't know what you're talking about.

Ok.

I don't give two shits about "gatekeeping" or pushing a dev or creator.

Alright.

You make no sense. And are so late to this conversation. And why are you apologizing, anyway?
This is an open forum for discussion. You seem to be trying to ingratiate yourself here.

The fact is I am right.

寝取る 【ねとる】 Netoru (v5r) to steal another's wife (husband, lover)

NOT Infidelity. Have you ever actually watched NTR?
The only reason cuckold is associated with it is that is how the west sees it.
They don't understand the complexities of Japanese society or what it's norms
and taboos are. And they don't care. This is my culture we're talking about.
And you're trying to tell me I don't understand my own culture is absurd.
I'm not some weeb or anime okatu. Getting my lessons from the TV.
This is my life. No I don't live in Japan. But it's my ancestry.
I understand it.

Netorare is NOT about infidelity. It's about corruption. PERIOD.
Nagasare (NGR/NTS) is when the spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend goes along with it. "Goes with the flow".
Which is what it fuggin means in Japanese. Which, as I said, I happen to be a member of that culture.
Estranged sure, but I very much understand what it means.

And you don't need permission to post here.

"But when you discredit two creators who are arguably more successful and talented than you"

You have no idea what my success level is. You don't know me at all. And you clearly don't know
my history on this thread. From supporting Kerosene and his project, to working on a remaster of
his project to fix all the broken code. Something this community wanted me to do.
Because I believed in this project. I came on here and talked people in to joining his Patreon to support
him and toward his Discord, which is you really want to kiss is ass so hard just scroll back a bit, find all
my posts linking it, join it and feel free to add BBC videos.
Say hi to Horsey for me, I miss him.

What? You think I'm just some naggy fangirl? Or did you think I was a "fanguy"? Sorry, no.
I have no beef with Kerosene AT ALL. He and I have spoken. At one point we were on the same
page about fixing A Wife's Life. We can disagree without hatred and I can comment and critique
all I want. I WANT A Wife's Life to be better. That is why I'm here. If he asked me for help
tomorrow I would gladly give it. He won't but hey. It's his project. He can do what he wants.
And that has always been the point. And what two creators? A Wife's Life is made by 4 guys.
Maybe 3. I forget. He recently replaced 2 members.

It's people like you and posts like yours that keep ruining this genre. By continually spreading
misinformation to further your OWN interpretation.

I'm here to set it straight and educate on what it truly is.
If devs listen, great. And I do advise some on this topic to make better stories.
Because in the end that's what all these people want. GOOD STORIES.
And with NTR, at least getting it right for a change.

Fun fact. Being Japanese, my computer is set up to work in Japanese.
Meaning I not only have a "Japanese keyboard" but a built in dictionary.
Which is where that definition came from. I actually interact in Japanese online
on Japanese websites. I play games on Japanese servers. Meaning I interact with
my people. If you messaged me privately and spoke to me, you would know this.
You know.. like everyone else on here. I talk privately with a lot of people on here privately.
It's easy to reach out and find out the kind of person I am and interact with me.

Feel free to keep posting. You don't have to ask to do it and kowtow like that.
You're like one of these MCs SMH

I found the rest of your message unclear and hard to read. If you're serious about becoming a writer, let me know—I could offer you some tips. (Though knowing me, I'd probably charge you a fortune. Just kidding!)

Honestly, I don’t care if you're a woman or a sissy, or how far apart we are. Even if I wanted to, I probably wouldn’t have a chance to sink my dick in you. And since you mentioned losing your virginity to a Black man, you'd likely find me unimpressive anyway.

But seriously, I’m just a small creator trying to get noticed. Why so uptight?

If you’re interested, I’d love for you to check out my game and share your thoughts. Despite 100k views on F95 and 160k on Gamcore, not a single person has left a decent review. Most people are hung up on the UI and marketing, which isn’t my priority right now. I’d really appreciate your honest feedback on the story.

Oh, and please don’t say NTR isn’t about infidelity again—I might have to set you straight on that.

Thanks!

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

Ok.

Alright.

I found the rest of your message unclear and hard to read. If you're serious about becoming a writer, let me know—I could offer you some tips. (Though knowing me, I'd probably charge you a fortune. Just kidding!)

Honestly, I don’t care if you're a woman or a sissy, or how far apart we are. Even if I wanted to, I probably wouldn’t have a chance to sink my dick in you. And since you mentioned losing your virginity to a Black man, you'd likely find me unimpressive anyway.

But seriously, I’m just a small creator trying to get noticed. Why so uptight? View attachment 4465234

If you’re interested, I’d love for you to check out my game and share your thoughts. Despite 100k views on F95 and 160k on Gamcore, not a single person has left a decent review. Most people are hung up on the UI and marketing, which isn’t my priority right now. I’d really appreciate your honest feedback on the story.

Oh, and please don’t say NTR isn’t about infidelity again—I might have to set you straight on that.

Thanks!

Well hello small creator. Nice to meet you... though awkwardly.
I would be more than happy to check out your game!

NTR isn't about infidelity.

You need to work on your social skills.
I doubt you can offer me anything. Are we supposed to civil and friendly, I can't tell.
I'm trying, but it's very difficult. Your like "stupid stupid stupid... kind of nice, condescending stupid stupid mansplaining"

NTR isn't about infidelity.

"Despite 100k views on F95 and 160k on Gamcore, not a single person has left a decent review."

You might have an inadequate penis, but you have some massive balls. And by balls I only mean ego.
Your social skills suck. This could be a part of why you aren't getting decent reviews.

Link me privately.. you have to know how. You have a fancy Developer tag.

NTR isn't about infidelity.

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

Why is this so fucking difficult. I am really not trying to be rude.
But you have to be so fucking thick not to get it.

To be about infidelity a person would have to want to cheat. Seek it out. Actively pursue it.

Not be loyal to the core. A good wife or husband. Someone looked at as a pillar in their workplace
or social group. An admired housewife or salary man.
In order for the person in NTR to get to a point of infidelity they have to be pushed beyond their
ability to refuse it. Through corruption and persuasion. Usually through sexual violence and harassment.
Sometimes blackmail. Still coercion. Not a willingness to do it.

Some times through a latent fetish the partner has. But that is called Nagasare. Where the target partner
is just going with the flow of the situation to please their partner or for some other reason.
Oh and here's a twist, NTR and OL are mostly consumed by women. Are always shown from the woman's
perspective and not the husband's. What you have here is called "voyeur fetish" where you are getting
peeks at something like through a window. Even in NTR where you get a video, you always see what is
happening to her and not focused solely on a guy watching a screen you can barely see.
You see the stages of her corruption from start to mind melting conclusion.
You, the audience, are never kept from seeing it. That would ruin the point.
NTR isn't about the "husband" at all. It's about the wife.

Start writing that. Stop with the only showing a guy going to work, waiting on a text, wondering
where his wife is, having dinner, going to bed. Meanwhile... everything important is going on OFF SCREEN.

NTR is show not tell.

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

You want to educate me. Well...

This is REAL NTR right here. From my own personal library. Luckily it's here.
She's not comfortable with the situation, she is sexually assaulted continuously until she forgets
she even has a husband. NTR!

You must be registered to see the links

Not about infidelity.

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

This is NOT NTR
It's BDSM.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[russelld]

NTR has become a borrowed term in adult visual novels for non consensual sex by the female partner outside of a marriage or relationship. Whether you like it or not that has become the reality. Wife/gf cheating=NTR.

 

[russelld]

One of the most annoying things about "A Wife's Life" (and there are plenty of them) is the phone avatar that the MC chose for himself. He looks like a scary hoodlum. Then the long assed texts from "unknown" whether it's Samuil or the phantom menace woman (is Jen her name? who cares?). Other than that the story is ridiculous how he sits on his phone and laptop all day while his whole world comes crashing down around him. The only redeeming part is that sex scene in the alley outside the club which I can watch a hundred times over again and not get sick of it.

 

[Liturgy]

You want to educate me. Well...

This is REAL NTR right here. From my own personal library. Luckily it's here.
She's not comfortable with the situation, she is sexually assaulted continuously until she forgets
she even has a husband. NTR!

You must be registered to see the links

Not about infidelity.

Why does Japanese porn treat women’s bodies like a single erogenous zone? That’s one reason I dislike it—especially the cartoons. They’re so fake and exaggerated it borders on parody. Though I have to admit this one was pretty hot. (I wonder what he was saying while poking her butthole…)

I’ve never met a woman who liked NTR, though I know “loving wives” stories are popular among women. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of men curious about NTR for different reasons. For me, the NTR feel is about being upset and aroused at the same time. When I first came across it, I wasn’t drawn to the eroticism but to the aspect of living cruelty and betrayal first-hand—especially in the BullyFucksMyMom type. I didn’t understand why I kept coming back, even though I felt ashamed. It was years later that I realized it had started to genuinely turn me on.

There, I said it. Even family NTR is still NTR. Good luck crashing out on that.

Well hello small creator. Nice to meet you... though awkwardly.
I would be more than happy to check out your game!

...

Link me privately.. you have to know how. You have a fancy Developer tag.

Sorry if I was harsh in the beginning. If you’re still interested, my game is linked in my signature and on my Patreon. You might’ve missed it since you’re probably on your phone. (Treating F95 as social media, are we? Disgusting... )

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

Why does Japanese porn treat women’s bodies like a single erogenous zone? That’s one reason I dislike it—especially the cartoons. They’re so fake and exaggerated it borders on parody. Though I have to admit this one was pretty hot. (I wonder what he was saying while poking her butthole…)

I’ve never met a woman who liked NTR, though I know “loving wives” stories are popular among women. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of men curious about NTR for different reasons. For me, the NTR feel is about being upset and aroused at the same time. When I first came across it, I wasn’t drawn to the eroticism but to the aspect of living cruelty and betrayal first-hand—especially in the BullyFucksMyMom type. I didn’t understand why I kept coming back, even though I felt ashamed. It was years later that I realized it had started to genuinely turn me on.

There, I said it. Even family NTR is still NTR. Good luck crashing out on that.



Sorry if I was harsh in the beginning. If you’re still interested, my game is linked in my signature and on my Patreon. You might’ve missed it since you’re probably on your phone. (Treating F95 as social media, are we? Disgusting... View attachment 4465676 )

I dunno. We read a lot of fucked up books and watch weird romance movies. Personally I hated Twilight
but friends loved it. I was team Jacob. Some of my friends love yaoi and I don't really understand why.
I mean I do enjoy the girly looking twink every now and then. Like candy. But I prefer yuri.
I always tell people never base anything off anime and especially not hentai.

As for NTR it's just something I've always been drawn to. In porn and books. I mean in life I've
had a lot of guys and girls try and take me from my partner. And failed. Though my exes would
tell you they were heavily NTR'd by me. The majority of my adult videos and books are NTR.
Like we're talking bordering a terabyte. I write NTR themes as well.
And when I talk to my friends they do admit that being stolen from their husbands or boyfriends is a fantasy.
SO it's a part of our cavegirl DNA.

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

Nah. Family NTR is NTR.

Again from my own library...

You must be registered to see the links

This is NTR. No denying it. Hubby needs to cut down on that tobacco. How many children
is his father gonna make in the mean time? Sheesh.

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

Okay so...
I have personal issues with this story but I would be lying if I said
the presentation wasn't excellent and it has a lot of promise. Especially
if the issues I have with it could possibly be fixed. It's just some dialogue
and character development. Otherwise his writing is really good.

So feel free to check it out if you haven't already and post on his forum.

YFE [v0.2.2A] [Liturgy]

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

Okay. You asked or said something that stuck with me, Liturgy.
And I hope everyone pays attention to this. How Japanese words get misrepresented
and misunderstood in the west. You said you wished you could understand what her supervisor
was saying to her when he was doing certain things, and I was like.. hmm.. does he want me to
tell him? Because it's pretty straight forward. But then it hit me. In this case it's not what he's
saying to her that matters here but some of the things she's saying to him. Because one word
in particular, I know, western listeners are going to be confused by and not understand the context.

Like translations calling NTR cuckolding because the west has no other definition for it.

The word of the day is 先輩 Senpai. You see all the memes and cute girls and whatever.
But it's so misused and misunderstood. Like 可愛い Kawaii. You see people saying this shit all
the time and it annoys the crap out of me. Because they use it wrong watching anime and don't
understand what is going on. Anime exaggerates conversational Japanese. That's why you can't
or shouldn't use it to "learn" the language. You have no idea what the context is, when it's right
to use it, who should use it.. guys saying "kawaii" is gay as F. When guys in anime do it they are
overreacting and being silly. Guys don't do that in real life. Sure AF not publicly.
When I speak Japanese YOU might find it cute but native speakers find it obnoxious.
I pronounce my "u"s and extend them. It makes me sound flighty and ditzy. Obnoxious.
So where most Japanese would sound like "des", I would sound like "desuuuuu".
I'm a girl. I'm being obnoxious deliberately. Guys would never do this. I also say "ja na"
instead of "ja ne". It's like instead of saying bye I'm saying "well then... whatever"
Like dismissive.

Senpai. Is any superior person to the speaker. An upperclassman, a supervisor, an older person
of authority. Someone with tenure. So when you hear her call him Senpai, she's not talking to a
school mate she has a crush on.
She's being polite to her supervisor and acknowledging his position above her.
Status wise, not sexually. And reminding him of his place. "She says hey, supervisor, stop it now."
She's not being cute or flirty. But if you hear Senpai and associate it with western memes and
interpretation you would be wrong in it's usage and meaning.

There are a lot of words that get redefined in translation all the time.

So if you look up Netorare and it says cuckold, that is the western concept being applied to it.
Not what it actually means. So if you come at me with "But Google translate says..."
Google translate also says Senpai means "senior". Like senior what? Senior Tacos?

 

[Clownito]

this thread got way too dramatic for a game where we're suppose to have fun with

 

[Silken the Rocket Girl]

this thread got way too dramatic for a game where we're suppose to have fun with

You call what happens in A Wife's Life fun?

 

[Clownito]

You call what happens in A Wife's Life fun?

i literally said "supposed" like you seem way too angry and now you wanna take it out on me too?

 

[Emptyplanet]

Genuine schitzo girl, just ignore.