AI generated art

[GGAdams]

Yeah so I come to ruin your day. Ai is not a debate, it will be regulated and people using it are thief. Sorry if it's not for you benefit guys.

Pixiv Fanbox banned Ai recently, Patreon will soon. And the american senate understand the threat

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So now, that you don't get it, or that you wish it would be okay to use it, it's your own bad morality. The reality is simple: Ai uses stolen data, it's highly illegal, and it will be punished and regulated.

It was never a discussion. Only a few brain dead people defends it are the one benefiting from it. You're not an artist, or even a creator, just a criminal that was exploiting an opportunity and justify their bad actions. Go waste your money on gatcha and cryptos so that at least you leave the artists that makes what you consume alone...

 

[Coperic]

Believe it or not, a lot of studios and organizations are coming out and saying that they will be refusing to use AI art due to the copyright risks it has.

In my opinion, it feels like Human artists are here to stay for good. But the studios that continue to use AI will most likely use Human artists to finalize AI art or use it as inspiration/reference rather than create something from scratch.

 

[DuniX]

Believe it or not, a lot of studios and organizations are coming out and saying that they will be refusing to use AI art due to the copyright risks it has.

That's more of a question of practicality.
What the AI is good for now is concept art which is already infinite by searching google for reference images.
And the artist are already using them as reference images since you would have to be stupid not to since whatever is generated would be ultimately disposable and not see the light of day so there is no legal issues.

The "hacks" you see with stable diffusion with Lora models and whatnot to get more consistency and set style are not worth their effort for marginal improvements that they aren't going to use anyway.
Even for a 2d game what they need is not a one off "piece" but full spectrum of parts, poses and animations.

Those who use AI art are those who can't hire artists in the first place or enthusiast that are curious in the tech.

But that isn't the full picture, once AI begins to touch upon things they care about you will see they are not as ambivalent as they seem.
They are already focusing on procedural generation in things like materials, textures and objects so it's inevitable AI will get involved in that.

Especially once you see full 3D model generation that is "game ready" that's when they start to care.
And copyright is not much of an issue to them since they already sitting on a mountain of training data that they legally own.

This is what artists don't seem to understand is most commercial art that they do to pay the bills have an Owner and it is not them.
The fact that Disney owns Mickey should tell you as much, a corporate entity owns the copyright, this is not a license.
Microsoft can come tomorrow and buy the whole of Getty Images, if they don't then Google might, once that happens it's a buying spree.
The only reason that has not happened is because they don't yet know what they need.

And the real battle will not even being fought on the arts.

The big battle is between Microsoft and Google, GPT and Palm, the thing that got me thinking is the training data they managed to scrounge up is something that they actually "need" as that is the factor that gives them the emergent capability, they can't afford to lose that magic so they must use it by any means.
The thing is they can't exactly own the whole of the internet so the likely case is to "lobby" on the copyright. Even if they try that would lead to a acquisition Cold War that I am not sure they want to get involved in, better to just be a duopoly.
I am sure they can call up Disney to give them some pointers on copyright lobbying.

 

[XcentY]

Yeah so I come to ruin your day. Ai is not a debate, it will be regulated and people using it are thief. Sorry if it's not for you benefit guys.

Pixiv Fanbox banned Ai recently, Patreon will soon. And the american senate understand the threat

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So now, that you don't get it, or that you wish it would be okay to use it, it's your own bad morality. The reality is simple: Ai uses stolen data, it's highly illegal, and it will be punished and regulated.

It was never a discussion. Only a few brain dead people defends it are the one benefiting from it. You're not an artist, or even a creator, just a criminal that was exploiting an opportunity and justify their bad actions. Go waste your money on gatcha and cryptos so that at least you leave the artists that makes what you consume alone...

You sounds like a high priest of inquisition... Even using words like "morality"...

The reality is simple ... AI uses what human feeds it with... If the content used to feed the AI is stolen, the problem is not the AI. AI is not yet that intelligent to chose the content of its own training...

AI will be regulated and that's normal because it's a world transformative technology but what you're talking about has nothing to do with the regulation of the technology. What you intent to play again is the copyright infringment problem.

You didn't ruin my day. You just shown how the bad reasoning can lead an high priest to be agressive..

 

[Dfgjjkl]

Yeah so I come to ruin your day. Ai is not a debate, it will be regulated and people using it are thief. Sorry if it's not for you benefit guys.

Pixiv Fanbox banned Ai recently, Patreon will soon. And the american senate understand the threat

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So now, that you don't get it, or that you wish it would be okay to use it, it's your own bad morality. The reality is simple: Ai uses stolen data, it's highly illegal, and it will be punished and regulated.

It was never a discussion. Only a few brain dead people defends it are the one benefiting from it. You're not an artist, or even a creator, just a criminal that was exploiting an opportunity and justify their bad actions. Go waste your money on gatcha and cryptos so that at least you leave the artists that makes what you consume alone...

It's also theft to get paid 6+ times for 1 update.

How many times did someone make a game, then 6 months later delete their Patreon after making some quick money?

How many times did a dev suddenly forget how to code or draw when their payments increased? An update that would take 1-2 months all of the sudden takes 6.

How many times did a dev have a cartoonishly bad explanation of them being gone for months or years but during that time never stopped the payments?

Being on this site for years as a fan of 2D games made me realize how flawed and lazy most of these ''artists'' really are.

Sit on your ass for 2 months, work 1-2 hours a week for the third, then on the 4th put together something that can only be described as a micro update.

If porn wasn't so trash nowadays, most of these artists would be out of a job

 

[XcentY]

AI videoclip based on stable diffusion

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[TotalDegenerate]

I love how people actually use the "theft" argument on a forum which releases pirated versions of hundreds, maybe thousands of games every year.
To be honest, I'm simply selfish in that regard. Stable Diffusion for example released about half a year ago, of course AI ain't perfect yet, but I can't wait to see what is possible in two or five years. Image generation allows extremely talented devs with zero artistic skill to create the game of their dreams. Currently we are limited to either artists creating games themselves or devs being able to hire artists by whatever means. Imagine once image generation is sophisticated and puts out consistent quality images what possibilities that includes.

 

[Dantaylion]

Yeah so I come to ruin your day. Ai is not a debate, it will be regulated and people using it are thief. Sorry if it's not for you benefit guys.

Pixiv Fanbox banned Ai recently, Patreon will soon. And the american senate understand the threat

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So now, that you don't get it, or that you wish it would be okay to use it, it's your own bad morality. The reality is simple: Ai uses stolen data, it's highly illegal, and it will be punished and regulated.

It was never a discussion. Only a few brain dead people defends it are the one benefiting from it. You're not an artist, or even a creator, just a criminal that was exploiting an opportunity and justify their bad actions. Go waste your money on gatcha and cryptos so that at least you leave the artists that makes what you consume alone...

you do realize you're on a fucking piracy site, right? lol

also most ai art-generating models are not directly stealing other's artwork or images to create their own, they just use them to learn.

also saying shit like "Ai is not a debate" is ignorant. especially after you link a video of the united states senate literally debating it and using it for your half baked argument.

also, and correct me if I'm wrong, don't you take actual characters from other games (their IP) and sell them for HS or some shit? that's ok though right? I'm sure you got permission from the devs that created them characters you profit from.

 

[woody554]

just filtered the new updates for AI cg, and man was it a sad sight. if you only see ONE image it looks great. but when you look through dozens of games you quickly realize all of the images look somehow almost identical regardless of game. there's no creativity whatsoever. it's just hundreds of cute girls staring into a camera, and they all look the same.

there is no sign of any kind of storytelling in the posing, the pictures could've just as well been paper dolls clipped out of a fashion magazine with no relation to the environment that's been put behind them. if the games were movies the characters would be staring right into the camera and smiling like idiots no matter what's going on in the scene. and the director would be screaming to the actors to not look into the camera.

I didn't expect the people gravitating towards AI to have any idea of what they're doing, but it's much much worse than I thought. it's like clip art, only worse. I never thought anything could surpass the dull generic repetitiveness of anime, but here we are miles beyond that.

 

[EvolutionKills]

Believe it or not, a lot of studios and organizations are coming out and saying that they will be refusing to use AI art due to the copyright risks it has.

In my opinion, it feels like Human artists are here to stay for good. But the studios that continue to use AI will most likely use Human artists to finalize AI art or use it as inspiration/reference rather than create something from scratch.

God, just imagine working in that environment.

"Hey there sport! I don't want you to actually do anything original or artistic. No, we're relying on the production intern here to feed text prompts into the algorithm for that. We just need you here with your Wacom thingy to be a Photoshop monkey, and to touch things up when the images the computer spits out are a bit off."

 

[TotalDegenerate]

the pictures could've just as well been paper dolls clipped out of a fashion magazine with no relation to the environment that's been put behind them.

You realize that tons of games actually have a transparent background during their scenes, right? There were cases of no relation to the environment since hentai games exist. Its common af.

Most standard artistic arguments are actually invalid. AI already is able to let the character interact with the background, it is able to create the exact same character in multiple outfit and poses, it is able to include more than 1 character and have them interact and it's not one generic "AI style". I don't see any point where AI lacks the possibilities a human artist has. And remember, that shit is public for less than a year. Here are some examples.

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that's a way to avoid drawing hands too, lol

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It's not like AI art sucks in general, it's just that since every retard can use it to get some mediocre results, so of course these would be the majority we will see release games/art. It's just that people who ACTUALLY know how to use the tools didn't create any games yet. Yeah, AI struggles drawing hands, but so do humans.
For anyone who's interested why it's mostly hands while everything else works fine, check out

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I'm kinda surprised people are so critical towards the AI creations. These tools exist for a mere 6 months now, we're basically still in pre alpha stage. And in the right hands it already shows massive results. Give it a few years of progress before you critique it that harsh.

 

[EvolutionKills]

I'm kinda surprised people are so critical towards the AI creations. These tools exist for a mere 6 months now, we're basically still in pre alpha stage. And in the right hands it already shows massive results. Give it a few years of progress before you critique it that harsh.

Either it sucks, and we're going to bang on it for looking bad and being used by shovelware merchants. Or it ends up being great, and it becomes another way for corporations to automate creativity and further marginalize actual human creatives.

Neither is great.

 

[woody554]

I'm kinda surprised people are so critical towards the AI creations.

I only studied neural nets for 6 years in university, have a decree on media art and have been a painter for 30 some years, so what do I know.

I don't mean that you should just believe me because of that, but I've explained the problems in length so many times it's kinda frustrating how it's making NO dent on the hype whatsoever. people like you will never understand why AI can't do the things you think it can, and why it's gonna take a long time until we figure it out. it will happen, probably in our lifetimes, but this is not it.

that said, I've also said for more than a decade that AI doesn't NEED to be human level to convince people that it's conscious. it'll happen the second it makes the tiniest attempt towards responding to our feelings paired with big tits, and most of us will form an emotional bond with a robot. and people always thought I was nuts for saying that, but now everybody is suddenly flipping on it and going to the opposite extreme, of being afraid of AI 'escaping' and enslaving humanity because it can churn out borderline unusable generic anime girls with monster hands.

 

[DuniX]

there is no sign of any kind of storytelling in the posing, the pictures could've just as well been paper dolls clipped out of a fashion magazine with no relation to the environment that's been put behind them. if the games were movies the characters would be staring right into the camera and smiling like idiots no matter what's going on in the scene. and the director would be screaming to the actors to not look into the camera.

Isn't it your job to be the director? Sure you need to wrangle it a bit to get it to do what you want and it would not be perfect.
But it's not the AI's job to tell a story, it has absolutely no concept of that, that is your job.
The images it trained on did tell a story, so it is within the data, you just have to find ways to extract it for your own purpose.

people like you will never understand why AI can't do the things you think it can, and why it's gonna take a long time until we figure it out. it will happen, probably in our lifetimes, but this is not it.

Most problems will be solved once the AI generators have some capability of 3D model matching and simulation.
In other words make it a multi step process instead of the straight image generation.
You could use base hands with base poses that have the right anatomy to set up in the scene to tell the image generator what is the right answer.
It can also tell what is the Wrong Answer with the appropriate Tags for the context and tagged pose of the model and further train the model.

In fact you could use this step in the training process to split the image into parts and tag that based on the model pose tags.
In other words tell it what parts of the image are the hands, feet, breasts, head, neck, upper and lower body and so on and in what pose they are in.
Since we already have in-painting that means the image generator can drill down and refine the parts that are wrong and work on a separate level of the mode that has been optimized for working with parts instead of full images.
You only need the model as a anatomy puppet and you only need it to be compatible with the style and approximate the right poses, body shape and camera setup in the scenes. So you don't really need to generate the 3D model also.
The only tricky things are trying to match stylized anime style bodies with realistic human bodies, since there can be many styles you might not always find a good match.

And if we do eventually get actual complete 3D model generation of a character body that would solve the character consistency problem together with saving the loras or whatever they use to get character consistency now.

 

[TotalDegenerate]

I only studied neural nets for 6 years in university, have a decree on media art and have been a painter for 30 some years, so what do I know.

I actually founded Microsoft, al-Qaida and was the first Roman emperor, but I don't mean that you should believe me just because of that.

people like you will never understand why AI can't do the things you think it can

What did I claim AI can do? I basically said it's able to draw pretty pictures, and it sure as hell can do that and will improve on that in the coming years. No need to interpret that much into what I said. You're arguing against stuff I didn't even say.

 

[ThatGuy_Shaggy]

Why are people pressed about AI?

Stupid machines can't even click a little box and tell me which pictures have bicycles/cars in them

 

[DuniX]

Stupid machines can't even click a little box and tell me which pictures have bicycles/cars in them

Nowadays AIs can do that instantly, it's the humans that can't and take a long ass time to figure it out, which is how they detect if you are human.

 

[Meaning Less]

Nowadays AIs can do that instantly, it's the humans that can't and take a long ass time to figure it out, which is how they detect if you are human.

You are even lying about how captchas work now? No surprise coming from the forum's biggest AI simp.

 

[DuniX]

You are even lying about how captchas work now? No surprise coming from the forum's biggest AI simp.

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[Meaning Less]

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What a captcha breaker has to do with anything? There are ways of solving them without even looking at the images if you knew how they worked but that fucks up with the whole purpose of them which is to help google maps/books where their algorithms are failling.

People are not just solving captchas they are helping google maps/books, and by using captcha breaker you end up creating false data and if anything damaging the accuracy of the actual AI training in the process.