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There's way too much in there to fully reply too without going too off-topic... or at least, more than it was already done.

You're right about one thing, comparing H-games with regular games is fairly difficult, and the impact on piracy on them is both poorly understood and difficult to gauge. Unfortunately, on top of that, H-games in general are much harder to judge in terms of value because of how arousal and fetishes work and all that. Even if, from those examples, games and series weren't always triple A or predate Steam, it's also true that the nature and accessibility of piracy has changed drastically over the past 30 years.

Ultimately, the problem for me is that there's a huge difference for me between "wanting to earn a living" and "wanting to make as much money as possible", and getting overly fixated on piracy is one of the big steps in the direction of the latter. Companies like Ubisoft, EA, etc didn't start the way they are now after all, they didn't start with legions of fanboys and whatnot and they weren't even proper companies in some cases of their origins. They also didn't start with all the ridiculously predatory money earning schemes they include in their games these days...

I don't know Starke. I don't know what he's thinking. And it's difficult to verify a bunch of the stuff you mentioned.

However, if he thinks that spending time and money on something that only has the purpose of maximizing profits, I'm going to find that concerning and an attitude that I personally can't support. I'll always offer as much support as I can to projects that don't focus on these things. Heaven Studios certainly produces better content than some of the peeps I support, and they certainly deserve to be paid for it... but there's a limit to everything.

If they just keep going the way they are now, I'll likely try to support them at some point as money permits. If they start doing anti-piracy crap, then I never will. Simple as that. Not like there aren't tons of other things out there to spend money on...
 
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Jumping on the -SNIP- train
I think the only thing you can't double check is the one about the free downloads via PM. I guess the free version post on Patreon is still there (something like, 0.92 or 0.94, iirc), DLCs was and will be free for all. You can also double check the money split with the port maker, since he mentioned him in the previous post.

That said, you shouldn't mix two very different things like safekeeping their own intellectual properties and having predatory schemes. They're not selling you half cooked stuff and charging you extras for the full experience. And i'm pretty sure you'll never experience something like that.

One last thing. You said HS dishes out better content than other creators you support, so you probably played or watched their game. You said you may support them in the future ( but never did in the past, as i understood), but you won't if they'll put some effords in anti-piracy things.
Something like: i'm not giving you money now, i may do it in the future, but i surely won't if you do something about piracy. I don't really wanna be offensive here, but... am i the only one who finds it a bit silly?
 
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You're well within you're right but then again, so are they.

As far as I can tell the only thing keeping them of making a login system is because start thought it was "borderline too intrusive" but having a launcher that requires a login is very common nowadays.
so what if you already have the game on steam
 
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If i understant well now the studio add a drm in the future releasse AreYouSerious?
No. They planned to via using a launcher with a login system where if you had a Patreon subscription you could play all their games and auto-update there or if you were a one time purchase (Steam and other stores) you could just play what you bought.

Starke told me he ended up feeling it was kind of intrusive so he set the idea aside.

I personally don't see what's intrusive about it, sounds like a great idea but I'm not the one in charge.

so what if you already have the game on steam
You would be able to link for a check or still play it through Steam. Your call.

The login was going to be mostly about the subscription/support type services to make the supporters get it and manage their games more easily while keeping pirates away.
 
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I think the only thing you can't double check is the one about the free downloads via PM. I guess the free version post on Patreon is still there (something like, 0.92 or 0.94, iirc), DLCs was and will be free for all. You can also double check the money split with the port maker, since he mentioned him in the previous post.

That said, you shouldn't mix two very different things like safekeeping their own intellectual properties and having predatory schemes. They're not selling you half cooked stuff and charging you extras for the full experience. And i'm pretty sure you'll never experience something like that.

One last thing. You said HS dishes out better content than other creators you support, so you probably played or watched their game. You said you may support them in the future ( but never did in the past, as i understood), but you won't if they'll put some effords in anti-piracy things.
Something like: i'm not giving you money now, i may do it in the future, but i surely won't if you do something about piracy. I don't really wanna be offensive here, but... am i the only one who finds it a bit silly?
A bit? Yes, you're the only one who only finds it a bit. :KEK:

When will the Renpy version be available here?
Here? Hopefully never.

Hasn't even been made available to paying public yet since it had a few bugs and as far as Starke told me they fixed them, sent it to Denpasoft and now are about to release Android version as well this week which he has no idea where he's going to release.
 

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Trying to run the game through Parallels, but it's giving me an "A dynamic link library initialization routine failed" error. Anyone got any idea how to fix this?
 
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Is there ANY new content in this "update"?
It's not an update, it's a port. Yes, the whole content is new, wasn't there yesterday, is here now, new. All the images now have higher resolution, some were upscaled, some were redone from HD assets and a lot of the gameplay is new, especially the mini-games.
 
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It's not an update, it's a port. Yes, the whole content is new, wasn't there yesterday, is here now, new. All the images now have higher resolution, some were upscaled, some were redone from HD assets and a lot of the gameplay is new, especially the mini-games.
Oh cool...
So no new content then. Thanks for the info.
Have a good one. Adios.
 
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