^.... hold on, this game has mods?
How pathetic those infants who lurk around here... This game doesn't even earn enough to make the dev's living, and some cunt accuse him of "stealing money" (while he probably was stealing his game; thus, making it economically inneficient; thus, prone to abandonment... what a petty mind with no knowledge of cause and consequence...).No mods, just a dev that is stealing patrons money worse than the American government does taxes.
No, the dev earned a lack of trust by not keeping to schedule and not communicating and thus loosing patrons except the most gullible. This is the cause and consequence.How pathetic those infants who lurk around here... This game doesn't even earn enough to make the dev's living, and some cunt accuse him of "stealing money" (while he probably was stealing his game; thus, making it economically inneficient; thus, prone to abandonment... what a petty mind with no knowledge of cause and consequence...).
Luckily, despite much collateral shit, in the day and age of Internet, we have everythingNo, the dev earned a lack of trust by not keeping to schedule and not communicating and thus loosing patrons except the most gullible. This is the cause and consequence.
Really? Regardless I can attest first hand he wasn't keeping his patreon goals and wasn't communicating any reason why at least on the lower tiers. Other developers seem to survive. BTW, you are no this pirate site, yourself. You can have vilified view blaming everyone except the actual creator if you want and maybe there is truth to some it but his unreliability most certainly wouldn't help gain followers for any lengthy period of time. You can dig yourself to determine if people became disillusioned rapidly creating a revolving door of followers rather than a slow trickle in or if this never gained popularity beyond the same small pool of people but regardless, this particular developer wasn't worth his salt.Luckily, despite much collateral shit, in the day and age of Internet, we have everythingYou must be registered to see the links. Everyone can see that only for a brief period of less than a year the dev had about 150~200 patrons earning him ~$800 per month. Most of the time, during this 3-year development stint, it was half of even a third thereof. Though it's good to have this extra cash, except in a few backward 3rd-World countries, this ain't enough to afford a life without other jobs. Having other jobs makes it hard to keep a schedule. Plus, add to the equation spoiled little pirate brats, who, despite stealing his game, not only complain but jynx (pun intended) the game development to failure, one has to have quite a stomach to put up with that. If patrons don't understand that, they can go eat shit. And those spoiled little brats can drink it in the form and shape of a diarrhea.
1. This is a Forum, which happens to have pirate products... Assuming everyone here's a pirate, to put it politically correct, is a sign of being cognitively underprivileged. Even though I'm not a saint, I either supported games before or bought them on Steam. Unfortunately, this game wasn't the case because, though it had an interesting concept and showed some potential, I didn't feel it was compelling enough to earn my support -- mostly because of the grind and not because the dev wasn't babysitting patrons on his channels.Really? Regardless I can attest first hand he wasn't keeping his patreon goals and wasn't communicating any reason why at least on the lower tiers. Other developers seem to survive. BTW, you are no this pirate site, yourself. You can have vilified view blaming everyone except the actual creator if you want and maybe there is truth to some it but his unreliability most certainly wouldn't help gain followers for any lengthy period of time. You can dig yourself to determine if people became disillusioned rapidly creating a revolving door of followers rather than a slow trickle in or if this never gained popularity beyond the same small pool of people but regardless, this particular developer wasn't worth his salt.
I'm going to let it lie that you called me dumb for assuming you're a pirate followed by immediately confirming that you are indeed a pirate but my point stands that he was unreliable to his patreons(not just the pirates which you seem to want to believe are the only ones complaining). We are not owed a game but he is not owed money and he did not get it. Maybe it's because he was unreliable or maybe people aren't into graphics that look like playdough. Again this particular developer should not be defended and it seems the only reason you able to do is because you are conflating this with other developers that were wrongfully harassed by snotty pirates. Emulator makers and modders have that issue but that's not this. This one is a piece shit. This was taking money and not releasing products while not communicating delays to the patrons.1. This is a Forum, which happens to have pirate products... Assuming everyone here's a pirate, to put it politically correct, is a sign of being cognitively underprivileged. Even though I'm not a saint, I either supported games before or bought them on Steam. Unfortunately, this game wasn't the case because, though it had an interesting concept and showed some potential, I didn't feel it was compelling enough to earn my support -- mostly because of the grind and not because the dev wasn't babysitting patrons on his channels.
2. The proof here's not only a "pirate site" is the fact many developers post their games here looking for support -- and many achieve it and prosper.
3. Even if all of the above wasn't true, I'm not complaining about developers quitting their game's development because it was economically inefficient and accusing them of milking a game I wasn't milked in the first place. Again, I am no saint and I've made jokes about milking before, but those developers (actually, only 2) were: in one case, the most notorious case of milking in the whole Milky City; the other, the most successful developer in its niche (Daz-rendered Ren'py-made AVNs) who earns about 500 times the dev of this game here earns, so I think it was deserved (and, lo and behold, I supported him during a period and bought his game on Steam, but I quit because I didn't think he deserved it anymore).
I didn't call you dumb... I'm a politically correct person... I said assuming EVERYONE here (not specifically me) is a pirate is a sign of an underprivileged cognition. Of course, if we call a pirate everyone who ever downloaded, played, watched, listened, or whatever one can do with an unofficial bootlegged product, I bet 99% of the human race who consume those products are pirates. But the sense of your proposition was that everyone in this site always pirates everything and never consumes everything, thus my argument was bogus -- which, by the way, independently of me (or everyone else in this site) being a pirate or not, is, in fact, the bogus argument since it was an ad hominem one.I'm going to let it lie that you called me dumb for assuming you're a pirate followed by immediately confirming that you are indeed a pirate but my point stands that he was unreliable to his patreons(not just the pirates which you seem to want to believe are the only ones complaining). We are not owed a game but he is not owed money and he did not get it. Maybe it's because he was unreliable or maybe people aren't into graphics that look like playdough. Again this particular developer should not be defended and it seems the only reason you able to do is because you are conflating this with other developers that were wrongfully harassed by snotty pirates. Emulator makers and modders have that issue but that's not this. This one is a piece shit. This was taking money and not releasing products while not communicating delays to the patrons.
You're right. I'm so sorry for being rude.I didn't call you dumb... I'm a politically correct person... I said assuming EVERYONE here (not specifically me) is a pirate is a sign of an underprivileged cognition. Of course, if we call a pirate everyone who ever downloaded, played, watched, listened, or whatever one can do with an unofficial bootlegged product, I bet 99% of the human race who consume those products are pirates. But the sense of your proposition was that everyone in this site always pirates everything and never consumes everything, thus my argument was bogus -- which, by the way, independently of me (or everyone else in this site) being a pirate or not, is, in fact, the bogus argument since it was an ad hominem one.
But I agree with you. No one owes anyone fuck all except when bound by a contract or when the government puts a gun in your head and demands you do. If you want to buy something you do; if you don't, you don't. The seller is owed if you bought; if you didn't, he's not. In the case of subscriptions, you pay for it as long as you are happy to; when you're not, you stop. In the case of Patreon, what you're owed is what's written in the contract -- in those little boxes called "tiers." Of course, every developer is interested in people keeping their subscriptions and in more people subscribing, thus, he does many things for this to happen, but when he doesn't feel it's gonna happen, he may quit at will and is only obliged to deliver what was written in the contract -- the tiers... Simple as that.
Now... Calling every developer who abandons his game when it's not profitable a milker is what I see mostly around here. Even developers like this one who was earning less than a grand each month, which, in most of the world is nothing. Even developers like this one who -- even though I don't follow every update and, in fact, just played this game two or three times --, doing the math, since there are 26 changelogs here and there are about three years of development, excluding the first one, which was the zero point, and a hotfix, has delivered an update with an average interval of a month and half (36 / 24)... Wow... Quite a milker... Doing this for 200 bucks. If everyone who does that is a milker, I think the oceans will overflow not because of any climate change but due to the amount of milk that's spilled there...