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FatGiant

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I literally play Black MC games. One of the first games I played on this site was Starship Inanna. And I literally NEVER said he couldnt choose to have a black MC. I have historically encouraged black MC games, literally. My issue Is him saying that everyone who skips his game because of it is racist. I guess all the black people thathave probably specifically searched for black MC's are racist too. You guys are bonkers, and ironically "seem to not be able to understand that there can be more than one way to think."
So... we are bonkers because people that voice an objection to a game, using the argument that they don't like the skin color of the MC, are being IN FACT and BY DEFINITION being racist, is a problem, but you not being able to understand that defending their right to be racist, is NOT bonkers?

Wait... am I nuts for thinking you are nuts? Or am I nuts because you are nuts? I am getting confused.

Being prejudiced and biased is NOT a defense. It is indeed an attack. And don't come at me with Sun-Tzu quotes...

Someone that chooses to not play this beautifully crafted, written and designed game, because there's too much melanin on the MC is NUTS. Defending them is even worse, because you should know better.

:: Breathe ::

Peace :(
 

RedPillBlues

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So... we are bonkers because people that voice an objection to a game, using the argument that they don't like the skin color of the MC, are being IN FACT and BY DEFINITION being racist, is a problem, but you not being able to understand that defending their right to be racist, is NOT bonkers?

Wait... am I nuts for thinking you are nuts? Or am I nuts because you are nuts? I am getting confused.

Being prejudiced and biased is NOT a defense. It is indeed an attack. And don't come at me with Sun-Tzu quotes...

Someone that chooses to not play this beautifully crafted, written and designed game, because there's too much melanin on the MC is NUTS. Defending them is even worse, because you should know better.

:: Breathe ::

Peace :(
You realize that if you attach this argumeent to anything else it completely loses any meaning right? Do you not play protags that are trans? Transphobic. You dont play female MCs? Sexist. You happen to be Asian and perfer asian protags? Racist. Not to mention that at the end of the day this is fantasy.
 

RedPillBlues

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Listen its clear this is going nowhere in the slightest. If you believe that anyone who has prefrences to avoid games for X, or play games for X' is whatever ist apllies in the situation go for it. I dont think its healthly thinking that most the people around you suck, but we are different people. I will continue not judging people for what they are IRL for what they jerk off to. Im not not trying to get a ticket for this thread.
 

fuegofish

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You realize that if you attach this argumeent to anything else it completely loses any meaning right? Do you play protags that are trans? Transphobic. You dont play female MCs? Sexist. You happen to be Asian and perfer asian protags? Racist. Not to mention that at the end of the day this is fantasy. Yes, you are.
Disregarding you frequently drawing false equivalences of preference vs some kind of hard requirement that a MC be or not be X which is what the creator actually brought up, the answer to your question is probably...yes? If you were interested in a subject but then someone's race/sexuality/gender being some kind of hard no based solely on their inclusion then, yes that would fall under prejudice. There's clearly wiggle room there "How much do I expect a porn game to include a trans person and for it not to be gross somehow?" but that's not what you're talking about.
 

FatGiant

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You realize that if you attach this argumeent to anything else it completely loses any meaning right? Do you play protags that are trans? Transphobic. You dont play female MCs? Sexist. You happen to be Asian and perfer asian protags? Racist. Not to mention that at the end of the day this is fantasy. Yes, you are.
I play, all of those... Look I even play games with a fucking male protag, that is an abusive, dominant, sadistic jerk, because apparently that is how masculinity is painted on the VN world.

Do I like it? Not always. Do I have to? No. I can like a game where I DETEST profoundly the author representation of males, but, it has to have some really good arguments... The skin color of the MC, tho, that is NEVER an issue. The MC's gender? Not a problem. The MC's sexual orientation? Not a problem. But, if the MC is not a good person? Then I will simply and silently delete the game and ignore the game and it's creator.

Can you see the difference? Or do I have to explain it?

OK, I'll explain... When the detail is something that is unchangeable and not under the purview of the character, like race, gender, sexual orientation, I have zero issues with it. When it comes to things that are changeable and fall under a choice, like being a jerk... I don't condone it and remove myself.

What you are defending is the opposite. Yes, people are sexist, transphobic, racist, xenophobes, etc... by making those choices, because they are choosing to do so.

I have to laugh of your naivete of trying to separate what they say here and what they are IRL. They ONLY say it here, because that's how they are IRL. LOL

Peace :(
 

Ezykeyal

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With what part? I stand 100% by everything I have said. Especially considering the post quote quite literally called me out for not saying something I literally said. Like I get you dont want to the dev to quit after his manipulative "Ill quit unless people agree with me" but cmon.
I also did not say "I'll quit if people don't agree with me." I did not mean for that to come across as a manipulation and enforcing people to agree with me. I'll leave THIS partciular community if the majority of people keep thinking with a primitive and outdated mindset, and feeling the need to make that clear to me. I don't believe in it, I don't agree with it, I don't support it, nor am I here to adhere to that ridiculous standard... and like I said, I simply don't belong if that's the case, and it's better for me to take my leave.

I didn't make this project knowing that this would be an issue at all, but in the last few years, I learned a hell of a lot that I wasn't aware of before I even began. All I set out to do, was using this format to write and visualize a story that I find interesting. It simply was a format that I as a solo developer could utilize and realize.

There's a big difference between a sexual orientation and a skintone aversion. Sexual orientation is a natural occurance, whereas skintone aversion is not.
 

RedPillBlues

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I also did not say "I'll quit if people don't agree with me." I did not mean for that to come across as a manipulation and enforcing people to agree with me. I'll leave THIS partciular community if the majority of people keep thinking with a primitive and outdated mindset, and feeling the need to make that clear to me. I don't believe in it, I don't agree with it, I don't support it, nor am I here to adhere to that ridiculous standard... and like I said, I simply don't belong if that's the case, and it's better for me to take my leave.

I didn't make this project knowing that this would be an issue at all, but in the last few years, I learned a hell of a lot that I wasn't aware of before I even began. All I set out to do, was using this format to write and visualize a story that I find interesting. It simply was a format that I as a solo developer could utilize and realize.

There's a big difference between a sexual orientation and a skintone aversion. Sexual orientation is a natural occurance, whereas skintone aversion is not.
This is my last post here, and only since you are the dev. There is no "issue" here if you are just making a passion game. But you have repeatedly let people know that you cant invest more time into the game, because you are well tying how much how much time you can put into the game by how much money you are making. Which is fine. But once people have pointed out a way they think you could earn more you lash out. If you were calling the people that went out of the way to bash the MC's race, as if they were saying "Oh Black MC, I hate those im skipping this" it would be one thing. But instead anyone who makes a choice to not play your game over another one because that MC looks more like them is some disgusting racist who doesnt think "A human is a human,"and is mentally ill. Its incredibly insecure and demonises so many people that arent actually racist at all. I get it, you think you have a great game, you think you deserve more money. I agree. But lashing out like this 100% will only turn even more people away.
 

Ezykeyal

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This is my last post here, and only since you are the dev. There is no "issue" here if you are just making a passion game. But you have repeatedly let people know that you cant invest more time into the game, because you are well tying how much how much time you can put into the game by how much money you are making. Which is fine. But once people have pointed out a way they think you could earn more you lash out. If you were calling the people that went out of the way to bash the MC's race, as if they were saying "Oh Black MC, I hate those im skipping this" it would be one thing. But instead anyone who makes a choice to not play your game over another one because that MC looks more like them is some disgusting racist who doesnt think "A human is a human,"and is mentally ill. Its incredibly insecure and demonises so many people that arent actually racist at all. I get it, you think you have a great game, you think you deserve more money. I agree. But lashing out like this 100% will only turn even more people away.

I don't actually think I have a great game, far from it. I do see there's a lot of interest in it though, but it seems mostly only if it's for free, and I struggle with that for sure... there's a bare minimum it needs to reach to be able to move forward at a certain point, and it can't at this rate. That's fine, it is as it is and I've come to terms with that.

You're twisting my words a little... I never said that anyone who skips my game is a disgusting racist. I do have a problem with anyone saying they can't identify with another human being that has a different skintone than theirs. Especially if they feel the need to personally tell me in the hopes I'll change that for them.
 

Sleepmind

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I like everything about this game from the main character to the combat section. This project seems unique, I can see the author's passion for writing a well-developed story with living people with their own problems, not some placeholder dolls without personality. I would love to support you, but patreon is not option for me. Subsribestar or steam release with support pack like wallpaper maybe.
 

anonx5

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I don't actually think I have a great game, far from it. I do see there's a lot of interest in it though, but it seems mostly only if it's for free, and I struggle with that for sure... there's a bare minimum it needs to reach to be able to move forward at a certain point, and it can't at this rate. That's fine, it is as it is and I've come to terms with that.

You're twisting my words a little... I never said that anyone who skips my game is a disgusting racist. I do have a problem with anyone saying they can't identify with another human being that has a different skintone than theirs. Especially if they feel the need to personally tell me in the hopes I'll change that for them.
He has a point. I mean the fact is that non-whites have played as white characters for DECADES and still do to this day and many don't complain.

But to expect a developer to retroactively change his game from the ground up just to include something that was not originally intended is an unreasonable demand UNLESS you are dropping a significant amount of cold, hard cash to persuade the dev to do as you ask.

For free? You are living in the dream matrix man. Pay up or don't beg and expect anything.

I personally like MC except for his hair which looks... unpolished and kinda fake. Small criticism overall, since the same could be said elsewhere if you look closely enough.

I like that he's just a normal guy and not THAT stereotype that is from the hood streets thugging around or dressing like that.

I also like that the way the white people in the story treat him is... mostly realistic.

There are plenty of white guys in real life who will challenge non-white guys by being abrasive on purpose, but it does not necessarily mean they hate non-whites, only that they are testing them to see what they are like and what they can and cannot get away with.

The white girls seem cool with black people and not racist at all, and while such do exist in real life, there are also those that run the gamut from uncomfortable until they know they can trust you to those that are actively belittling non-whites or treating them as inferior, which is definitely racist.

Even then rascism is a spectrum, some are slightly so depending on the situation, moderately so, and still others are dramatically so.

Like honestly it even goes both ways... wise blacks don't necessarily trust whites in certain situations and will double check to make sure they are not taken advantage of, just as whites are or should be shrewd enough to realize that walking around Chicago at 12am in the hood part of town with a clear backback full of fake hundred dollar bills is more than likely going to end up in them getting laid out.
 

anonx5

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I have thought for years on that people should be treated fairly regardless of the color of skin.

And yet one should NOT be color blind or behave or treat others the SAME because it does not work.

The most optimal way is to be fair but adapt how you treat one person to the next based on what you know about them.

Even then knowing how skin color plays into relationships matters. Expect for example plenty of stares with interacial marriages only because they often are less common than those of the same.

Basically you have to be ready to deal with the steroetypical racist white guy/lady and the stereotypical black thug guy/lady.

And even then, if you are kind to them... it might motivate them to be kind back... because they are only human.

And good can and does win over bad... eventually. Humans like karma
 

Krytax123

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Imo the MC being black isnt the reason for lacking support.

This avn is simply super niche. The combination of "no/softcore" lewds + only muscular (or bald) LI's just doesnt have the biggest fanbase. The whole avn is just very anti-mainstream to a point where it almost feels virtue signaling (and superior to all the other smutty dirty avns).

So in short, imo the lack of diversity in the LI's is a big problem (funny for a avn putting importance on diversity), if youre not into muscle girls, there isnt much of romance for you. Just having one cute/petite LI could change a lot imo.

If you want to pull something like this off, the story has to be awesome on a different level and compareable to good books (which barely any avns are) and while the story isnt boring, its not this special either.
 

Prayforme

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I agree with the dude post above, the problem is not the black male protagonist, I even liked it, because there are practically no such games, the game has other problems that the dude above described in detail, once again I agree with him.
 

anonx5

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I agree with the dude post above, the problem is not the black male protagonist, I even liked it, because there are practically no such games, the game has other problems that the dude above described in detail, once again I agree with him.
I agree the game is only kind of niche. It certainly is not the only game that has atheletic female love interests though. But the others that do exist are more shallow with less story from what I have seen.

Currently this game seems kind of like a mix between Leap of Faith and the fighting mechanic of our red string. It is ambitious to be sure.

The bald lady did not attract me at all I admit, but it seems he is making her prettier.

So far you can pursue fully the love interests who are less attractive and the better ones are what you have to wait for.

Not to say the story should or needs to be a sexfest.

I actually enjoy a slow burn where you get to learn about and improve or risk relationships.
 
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I never said that anyone who skips my game is a disgusting racist. I do have a problem with anyone saying they can't identify with another human being that has a different skintone than theirs. Especially if they feel the need to personally tell me in the hopes I'll change that for them.
I love this game...
With most of the games featuring a white protagonist, seeing a Black MC is a breath of fresh air. The MC looks attractive too
I'm really invested in the story to see where it goes. My favourite Li is Coach Alexa. Everything about her is so captivating.
Overall the game is really good.

As far as this whole black MC thing is concerned,
I don't care honestly. As long as I could connect to the MC as a person, it doesn't matter to me.

But I also think, just because some people don't prefer a black guy as MC, it doesn't mean that they're racist. They don't wanna be a black guy playing the game that's all.

Nonetheless, All the best to you. I hope you won't abandon the game because of some silly remarks. I truly hope you get success for this game.
Peace ✌
 

Ezykeyal

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That's it, just enjoy it for what it is. Enjoy learning a bit about MMA, enjoy playing the drums or the guitar in a metal band, enjoy connecting and getting to know the characters and their backgrounds, enjoy the intricate choices you can make and help shape the story, enjoy the relationships and intimacy you can get into. If you're not interested in any of those things, then it's simply not for you and move on to what you do seek.
 

ItsNotUs

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That's it, just enjoy it for what it is. Enjoy learning a bit about MMA, enjoy playing the drums or the guitar in a metal band, enjoy connecting and getting to know the characters and their backgrounds, enjoy the intricate choices you can make and help shape the story, enjoy the relationships and intimacy you can get into. If you're not interested in any of those things, then it's simply not for you and move on to what you do seek.
The point is not that someone is not enjoying something, but that 14 months have already passed since the release of the last update!
 
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