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I don't like the new water tower scene at all, totally boring. who has to take the blame for it?
I would like the original scene back and if someone nagged, that's called artistic freedom. ICCreation didn't choose the better scene in the beginning for nothing and then nobody liked it. otherwise people always start screaming for jerk-off material. i don't understand these people. :confused:
 

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I don't like the new water tower scene at all, totally boring. who has to take the blame for it?
I would like the original scene back and if someone nagged, that's called artistic freedom. ICCreation didn't choose the better scene in the beginning for nothing and then nobody liked it. otherwise people always start screaming for jerk-off material. i don't understand these people. :confused:
Wait, there are two different endings? I only played one
 

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Nope one ending its was reworked because the first ending made Kim totaly iredeemable to many players.
but it the players on his discord that convinced him to tone it down.
I havent seen the new ending buthave heard it was possibly overly tamed from the later reactions here.

Aslong as Kim is redemable now is really all that maters as she is a big part of the DEV's story.

Just Sayin.
 

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When MC talks Kim about her mothers hitting on MC, she bashes MC about it. Since she is so hypocrite she pervs mcs sister blatantly and possible to completely fucked up mcs life by going for his mother. Best friend my ass. Those so called "friends" could learn lessons from Liam (Acting Lessons)

Edit: After seeing ending, I want to say screw you Kim. I'm tired of carrying out results of your mistakes. I also despise her because she is using her feminity to breach out peoples defenses. Also why it's too hard to find strictly straight females in this games.
 
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Here was information about previous 0.2 ending, what was it about? I only played 0.2b version.
 
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Ok, that's just stupid.
The sex between MC's mom and Kim was too out of left field with the tone of the story, and even had som rapy vibe when Kim forces scissoring onto Julia. With the tone of the rest of the story there was a feeling among the players that the action was irredeemable, and would have disqualified Kim as MC's sidekick/major role
 
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Played the b version of 0.2 and must say it fits more with the tone of the story and rest of the writing. Kim makes small stupid mistakes all through the game, so this is more in line with her character and the relations she has towards other characters (MC's sister in particular). Additionally Dev made clear to the audience that what happened in 0.2b on the tower is not actually initiated by Kim.
I'm happy to see the change fits more with the writing and the tone of the whole story, returns redeemability to Kim.

On the other hand it would have been fun to see MC's internal struggle with Kim's actions from 0.2a now that his family life is the life he wanted - would he return to the misery of before just to avoid/rewind 0.2a tower scene?

Dev thank you for listening, hope this did not mess your further story plans and script
 
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Additionally Dev made clear to the audience that what happened in 0.2b on the tower is not actually initiated by Kim.
It just doesn't matter, your so called "friend" could erase you from timeline because she was horny, she also broke her promise to you to not go after your mother. Even though she didn't initiate, she didn't even try to stop her either. I'm fine she is in the story but not as friend. She could be main villain for Lucifer's sake. I would despise MC if he forgives and welcomes her into his life. She just played Russian roulette by pointing gun to your head. No sane people do that to their friend.
 
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It just doesn't matter, your so called "friend" could erase you from timeline because she was horny, she also broke her promise to you to not go after your mother. Even though she didn't initiate, she didn't even try to stop her either. I'm fine she is in the story but not as friend. She could be main villain for Lucifer's sake. I would despise MC if he forgives and welcomes her into his life. She just played Russian roulette by pointing gun to your head. No sane people do that to their friend.
Hey cool, you have your opinion and I appreciate that - nothing wrong, all good.
For me - the Dev made pretty clear that MC's mother had a traumatic experience (meaning she was dumped after finding out she was pregnant). Emotions run high, and she looks for consolation, they hug and one thing leads to another - I can see how Kim could make the mistake (knowing that MC's mother is already pregnant with MC and sister). While in 0.2a the whole pacing of that lewd scene is off (I cannot see how Kim could garner so much trust in so little time )

The literary conundrum is that even though Kim made a mistake that would be hard to forgive - it led to provideing MC with everything he ever wished, stable family with solid income, happy and loving mother which makes it hard to hold a grudge.
Additionally theirs is an abusive friendship - with Kim an actual bulldozer plowing ahead, dragging MC in her wake (as he's an obvious mid/low level beta male - I think only the MC douchebag from "Double Homework" is a lower Beta) Having witnessed such relations IRL (thankfully not suffered) the depiction here is utterly believable.
 
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It just doesn't matter, your so called "friend" could erase you from timeline because she was horny, she also broke her promise to you to not go after your mother. Even though she didn't initiate, she didn't even try to stop her either. I'm fine she is in the story but not as friend. She could be main villain for Lucifer's sake. I would despise MC if he forgives and welcomes her into his life. She just played Russian roulette by pointing gun to your head. No sane people do that to their friend.
Respectfully disagree seems much is being said about she must be a total bitch because could of stoped him being born.
or she didn't care as if she would wipe the MC out of existance becuase she didn't know or didn't care if his mom was pregnant already.

And thats partly down to the DEV who probably thought it was odvious enough that Kim knew the mom was already pregnant with the MC and his TWIN sister that he didn't add it into the scene.

He didn't think that the players woulld think that Kim and his Mom don't really know each other why would mom tell Kim she's pregnant so he didn't add it into a scene.

Although the Dev has tried to explain this to players already by saying its odvious Mom was already pregnant thats why she was crying,
Well hate to say it but its not odvious to men however to a woman it more than likely was odvious.
You can agree with me or disagree but most men will have witnessed the allmost uncanny way one woman can sence what another is thinking or feeling and sometime can use that to guess spot on exactly whats just happend.

I have an Older sister I have seen it happen it's fucking spooky I know.

It's a comman mistake for a dev to forgot most of his players a men who think like men.
I say this as a man myself diffrence is I'm a man who has more female friend than male.
I still don't know how the female mind works but I have seen it in action.

I have seen my sister meet a girl and within ten minutes know most of her life story.
She even knew the girl had had an abortion 5 years earlyer it's crazy what girls can find out from each other in a small amount of time after meeting.

So the idea that Kim who spent most of the day with MC's mom thanks in no small part to the slow MC himself.
wouldn't of figgered out herself or even have been told by the mom that she was actually pregnant is neigh near impossible.

So stop useing it as an excuse to justify not liking Kim she's selfish true, bossy definatly, arogant most of the time, Thoughtless you betcha. deffencive beyond belief, Spitefull, vindictive, vengfull who knows maybe maybe not we don't know her well enough yet.
Is what she did in 02a enough to kick her to the kurb and sever all ties Yes it fucking was.
but that was 02a.

But I the Idea she would fuck her Best and what seems only friend out of exsistance I don't believe that for a second.
If you hate her still fine its your choice but the very Idea that she would delibratly wipe her bestfriend out of existance I don't believe that for a secound.

And I'm telling you now with almost 100% certainty especially if it was RL but even in this game there is no way Kim didn't know his Mom was already pregnant with Him and his Sister before anything happend at the water tower.
The only way she didn't know would be if Kim is actually a man in drag this whole time.

Just Sayin.
 

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Respectfully disagree seems much is being said about she must be a total bitch because could of stoped him being born.
or she didn't care as if she would wipe the MC out of existance becuase she didn't know or didn't care if his mom was pregnant already.

And thats partly down to the DEV who probably thought it was odvious enough that Kim knew the mom was already pregnant with the MC and his TWIN sister that he didn't add it into the scene.

He didn't think that the players woulld think that Kim and his Mom don't really know each other why would mom tell Kim she's pregnant so he didn't add it into a scene.

Although the Dev has tried to explain this to players already by saying its odvious Mom was already pregnant thats why she was crying,
Well hate to say it but its not odvious to men however to a woman it more than likely was odvious.
You can agree with me or disagree but most men will have witnessed the allmost uncanny way one woman can sence what another is thinking or feeling and sometime can use that to guess spot on exactly whats just happend.

I have an Older sister I have seen it happen it's fucking spooky I know.

It's a comman mistake for a dev to forgot most of his players a men who think like men.
I say this as a man myself diffrence is I'm a man who has more female friend than male.
I still don't know how the female mind works but I have seen it in action.

I have seen my sister meet a girl and within ten minutes know most of her life story.
She even knew the girl had had an abortion 5 years earlyer.

So the idea that Kim who spent most of the day with MC's mom thanks in no small part to the slow MC himself.
wouldn't of figgered out herself or even have been told by the mom that she was actually pregnant is neigh near impossible.

So stop useing it as an excuse to justify not liking Kim she's selfish true, bossy definatly, arogant most of the time, Thoughtless you betcha. deffencive beyond belief, Spitefull, vindictive, vengfull who knows maybe maybe not we don't know her well enough yet.
Is what she did in 02a enough to kick her to the kurb and sever all ties Yes it fucking was.
but that was 02a.

But I the Idea she would fuck her Best and what seems only friend out of exsistance I don't believe that for a second.
If you hate her still fine its your choice but the very Idea that she would delibratly wipe her bestfriend out of existance I don't believe that for a secound.

And I'm telling you now with almost 100% certainty especially if it was RL but even in this game there is no way Kim didn't know his Mom was already pregnant with Him and his Sister before anything happend at the water tower.
The only way she didn't know would be if Kim is actually a man in drag this whole time.

Just Sayin.
I kind of agree with you but I think this whole "a woman would know that Julia is pregnant" stuff is bullshit. I am sure Kim knew but only because Julia shared it with her. And I dont think developer wanted to make her pregnancy obvious. I think its more like he didnt want to make it obvious to create more tension and this is why Kim doesnt mention it in 0.2 when she tries to explain herself.
 
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