VN Ren'Py Alternate Existence [S2 v2.3.0] [MrKnobb]

[Norman Knight]

if I have to guess ill say the next few updates will see Werner getting used to being emotionally close to other people, perhaps being surrounded by beautiful girls that show interest in him will allow him to regain a sense of worth and allow him to open up about his past which is inevitable if any sort of relationship is to be maintained.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Samara is a 'love' friend to MC, he trusts her the most in his life. She in return feels same towards him as her friend.
But well said.

if I have to guess ill say the next few updates will see Werner getting used to being emotionally close to other people, perhaps being surrounded by beautiful girls that show interest in him will allow him to regain a sense of worth and allow him to open up about his past which is inevitable if any sort of relationship is to be maintained.

 

[Norman Knight]

Samara is a 'love' friend to MC, he trusts her the most in his life. She in return feels same towards him as her friend.
But well said.

I notice that, but if I'm not mistaken, they have a platonic relationship, they love each other, but they are not "In Love". It's not the same to be close to a friend than to be close to someone in the romantic sense. You trust that your friends won't judge you or think bad of you, but you don't know how someone else may react.

that is the why some people prefer to be by themselves for fear of being rejected.

 

[Darkhound]

I notice that, but if I'm not mistaken, they have a platonic relationship, they love each other, but they are not "In Love". It's not the same to be close to a friend than to be close to someone in the romantic sense. You trust that your friends won't judge you or think bad of you, but you don't know how someone else may react.

that is the why some people prefer to be by themselves for fear of being rejected.

True words my friend, true words.

 

[LWtbo]

I'm confused, why are you mad I didn't remember the red eye part before the intro?

Sorry had to go away for a bit RL stuff.
Not mad just frustrated When I have outlined everything in earlyer post for some as to whats strange about the MC and it gets seems to get forgotten like 1 page later.

I understand from later posts that some accidently click past that scen with eye's or it dosn't trigger or they just don't notice it because its quicky gone in a secound or two.

But even knowing that still dosn't make it any less frustrating when you point these things out and then a couple of pages laster its like you never said anything.

I wasn't having a go at you persay your's just happend to be the closest to quote at the time.

UPDATE: Right the changes I have now done for Ep1/2 will be uploaded later by my uploader of choice. It will read vs1.2.2... I believe an updated patch will follow done by scottpilgrim787 (he's asked me if he can do a patch for AE)

So for those who want to play getting a better Samara experience and skipping the Anne sex part can do so but you will have to start a new game. If happy with how it is currently then keep things as they are now and wait until Ep3 is out.

Dev personaly speaking allthough if I was making this game I wouldn't of put Anne's voyeuristic scene in.
But sInce it was and you already made a concession on the Samara one I wouldn't of changed it.
I think I understood why it was there although it seems like i'm one of the few did or wasn't bothered by it despite it not really being my thing.

As for the pep talk and Dwayne letting it all hang loose that had me ROFL when I first saw it and on the second play through still made me chuckle.
But maybe you should of kept him as he was in the start of that scene stood infront of the fridge door where his meat and two vegge could be kept cool after their workout upstair's.
But thats just my personal opinion and I'm more than happy enough if you desided to change it.

Just Sayin.

 

[gregers]

Tell me why you think MC is the way he is currently? Im being serious/honest with you I'd like to know your thoughts.
Obviously i have in mind how he will be like, knowing his past but you guys don't have that luxury. So i'd like to know why you/guys think he's such a 'wussy' currently?

The scar on his stomach is not self inflicted and will tell you more about MC and his past. More of him will be revealed later on. I am sure many will still think it doesnt warrant him the way I am writing his character and some may agree with how I portrait him.

Still i'd like to know your thoughts.

I wasn't going to go on about this (I'd said my piece earlier and didn't want to badger the dev), but since you ask: I haven't the foggiest and find it hard to care. The guy flips from showing some glimpses of character for a few moments early on when he rejects Anne's ouvertures, but otherwise act as a complete doormat most of the time, then gives himself a peptalk in the shower in the morning about not behaving like a 12 year old, not letting himself be pushed around etc., and then goes straight back to being a doormat as soon as he's confronted with Anne, letting her make all the decisions for him.

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

I wasn't going to go on about this (I'd said my piece earlier and didn't want to badger the dev), but since you ask: I haven't the foggiest and find it hard to care. The guy flips from showing some glimpses of character for a few moments early on when he rejects Anne's ouvertures, but otherwise act as a complete doormat most of the time, then gives himself a peptalk in the shower in the morning about not behaving like a 12 year old, not letting himself be pushed around etc., and then goes straight back to being a doormat as soon as he's confronted with Anne, letting her make all the decisions for him.

people don't change after giving themselves one pep talk, and I'm not trying to the defend the mc behavior but does have background of abandonment and he is in a completely new situation than he was a week ago.

I don't know about you, but speaking as a fairly none social person if I was suddenly was forced to leave my home and to leave with the women who abandon me(while she pays for everything), I wouldn't immediately start shit talking her.

I would first try to get my bearings, and see if I get somehow get out or have another place to live in case she decide to say "you know what? it's not worth it. Get the fuck out of my house". She has all the power right now, until the mc has some form of leverage, how could he really be able to talk to her as equal?

What would you do? would you risk living on the street for that one moment of "yes, I got her. I told her my peace of mind. So what if I don't have where to live now?"

 

[gregers]

people don't change after giving themselves one pep talk, and I'm not trying to the defend the mc behavior but does have background of abandonment and he is in a completely new situation than he was a week ago.

I don't know about you, but speaking as a fairly none social person if I was suddenly was forced to leave my home and to leave with the women who abandon me(while she pays for everything), I wouldn't immediately start shit talking her.

I would first try to get my bearing, and see if I get somehow get out or have another place to live in case she decide to say "you know what? it's not worth it. Get the fuck out of my house". She has all the power right now, until the mc has some form of leverage, how could he really be able to talk to her as equal?

What would you do? would you risk living on the street for that one moment of "yes, I got her. I told her my peace of mind. so what if I don't have where to live now?"

There's "not shit-talking" and there's "constantly apologizing for existing". The MC has accepted to live under Anne's roof, but if he's come up in the system (which I take from the previous comments we are to assume), I would expect him to be extremely wary of what trade-offs that deal involves, and on his guard against people trying to take advantage – especially someone who's already abandoned him once before. Anne's infantilizing behaviour – promising him pocket money if he's a good boy, buying his clothes for him – is exactly the sort of bullshit that should raise red flags.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

I'm kind of curious as to where this hooker sub plot is going

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

There's "not shit-talking" and there's "constantly apologizing for existing". The MC has accepted to live under Anne's roof, but if he's come up in the system (which I take from the previous comments we are to assume), I would expect him to be extremely wary of what trade-offs that deal involves, and on his guard against people trying to take advantage – especially someone who's already abandoned him once before.

maybe we played a different game then, I never got the feeling that he is super happy about all that. And he doesn't have any other option right now, it's do or die(street or weird hot rich lady).

So far the mc gets to go to the college he wanted to, not having to worry about rent or leave in a place where he apparently got beaten and robbed on a regular basis. At this point, what he has now is a win. It's very possible she has some ulterior motive, but I'll take that over the other option any day.

And many people cling to people who hurt them in the past, because it somehow feels "safer" in a fucked up sort of way. I'm sure I don't need to explain that to you.

 

[gregers]

maybe we played a different game then, I never got the feeling that he is super happy about all that. And he doesn't have any other option right now, it's do or die(street or weird hot rich lady).

So far the mc gets to go to the college he wanted to, not having to worry about rent or leave in a place where he apparently got beaten and robbed on a regular basis. At this point, what he has now is a win. It's very possible she has some ulterior motive, but I'll take that over the other option any day.

And many people cling to people who hurt them in the past, because it somehow feels "safer" in a fucked up sort of way. I'm sure I don't need to explain that to you.

A "win" that only becomes necessary because he was evicted, most likely at Anne's instigation. But yeah, we clearly read the game differently, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

I just want the MC to stop agreeing with everyone, about everything.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

Hey gregers...

I honestly do not see or agree what you are mentioning regarding how he acts. His inner monologue's is just thoughts what he believes he should or not be doing. Anne hasn't made any overtures towards him, she's simply just friendly and flirty by nature. Also she's still feels serioulsy shit on how she never cared for him so long ago,.
Truthfully I do not see him acting as a doormat at all. He lacks convidence sometimes for sure, especially now living with 3 women, hot women too. Also living in a house that is made for the rich. Anne is still a figure of authority, hot or not so he does show her respect. My vision for MC is that he's new to this as he comes from a fairly troubled and insecure past.

Of course how you see it is perfectly valid for you and nothing wrong with that at all. Thx for sharing your thoughts.

EDIT: To clarify he's eviction has nothing to do with Anne... will be revealed later so pls that theory is wrong.

I wasn't going to go on about this (I'd said my piece earlier and didn't want to badger the dev), but since you ask: I haven't the foggiest and find it hard to care. The guy flips from showing some glimpses of character for a few moments early on when he rejects Anne's ouvertures, but otherwise act as a complete doormat most of the time, then gives himself a peptalk in the shower in the morning about not behaving like a 12 year old, not letting himself be pushed around etc., and then goes straight back to being a doormat as soon as he's confronted with Anne, letting her make all the decisions for him.

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

A "win" that only becomes necessary because he was evicted, most likely at Anne's instigation. But yeah, we clearly read the game differently, nothing wrong with that.

I do agree, that it's very possible she was involve somehow in his eviction. It's way too convenient, but for me it's really early in the story and I've seen plenty of stories start like this and over time the mc start taking back control.

So I don't really care if he is a doormat or very easily influenced, because it's only an issue for me if it's like 40-50% into the story while he still act the same.

I don't blame you, but people want the mc to immediately be a badass too quickly in story heavy games. If it was purely porn game, then sure give me the alpha mc who takes the women now. But it's not, so I can wait.

 

[gregers]

Hey gregers...

I honestly do not see or agree what you are mentioning regarding how he acts. His inner monologue's is just thoughts what he believes he should or not be doing. Anne hasn't made any overtures towards him, she's simply just friendly and flirty by nature. Also she's still feels serioulsy shit on how she never cared for him so long ago,.
Truthfully I do not see him acting as a doormat at all. He lacks convidence sometimes for sure, especially now living with 3 women, hot women too. Also living in a house that is made for the rich. Anne is still a figure of authority, hot or not so he does show her respect. My vision for MC is that he's new to this as he comes from a fairly troubled and insecure past.

Of course how you see it is perfectly valid for you and nothing wrong with that at all. Thx for sharing your thoughts.

Hey, thanks for responding! Last thing I would want is for criticism to ruin your enjoyment of your work, so take my comments for what they're worth. There's no obligation to act on criticism if you don't see any merit to it.

(Just to clarify, by "Anne's ouvertures" I didn't mean romantic ouvertures but her first two approaches to the MC, before she (or so the MC seems to assume) bought up the building and had him evicted.)

Edit: ... and I've just seen your edit about Anne not being responsible for the eviction, which is good to know. That wasn't my speculation, though, but the MC's own ("It almost seems planned. First the lawyer, then Anne comes around... And now this shit.").

 

[eddie987]

people don't change after giving themselves one pep talk, and I'm not trying to the defend the mc behavior but does have background of abandonment and he is in a completely new situation than he was a week ago.

I don't know about you, but speaking as a fairly none social person if I was suddenly was forced to leave my home and to leave with the women who abandon me(while she pays for everything), I wouldn't immediately start shit talking her.

I would first try to get my bearings, and see if I get somehow get out or have another place to live in case she decide to say "you know what? it's not worth it. Get the fuck out of my house". She has all the power right now, until the mc has some form of leverage, how could he really be able to talk to her as equal?

What would you do? would you risk living on the street for that one moment of "yes, I got her. I told her my peace of mind. So what if I don't have where to live now?"

Shouldn't that make him act more distant and less like a "yes-man" though? So far all his interactions with Anne (besides his initial) feel like:
MC: Thanks, but I don't need/want that.
A: Yes, you do.
MC: Ok!
*with a hint of "I need to stop perv... SIDEBOOB!" every now and then...

He doesn't have to whip his dick out and start fucking everyone senseless, I don't think that's what people saying he's way too passive mean, but for someone who seems to put a great importance on his pride and independence (that's what their first interaction showed anyway), he gives in very easily to pretty much everything she says. Anne made pretty clear to him that she needs him to keep an eye on Summer (she told her something different, but that could've been her "cover story"), so he doesn't have any reasons to feel his "sweet aunt" deserves a second chance. They have a deal. She pays his college and gives him a place to stay and he's keeping an eye on her daughter. All he has to do is keep his part of the deal, everything else is redundant. At this point of the story at least.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

No worries ... If people speak to me like a human being then ill respond in kind. I really like engaging with you all, hear your thougts and see what would work and what not. Similar as RTP, i try to make AE as realistic as possbile, yet its still only fiction.

Gotcha on the Anne thing... and no she's not involved in his eviction. So pls keep sharing your thoughts with everyone.

Hey, thanks for responding! Last thing I would want is for criticism to ruin your enjoyment of your work, so take my comments for what they're worth. There's no obligation to act on criticism if you don't see any merit to it.

(Just to clarify, by "Anne's ouvertures" I didn't mean romantic ouvertures but her first two approaches to the MC, before she (or so the MC seems to assume) bought up the building and had him evicted.)

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

Shouldn't that make him act more distant and less like a "yes-man" though? So far all his interactions with Anne (besides his initial) feel like:
MC: Thanks, but I don't need/want that.
A: Yes, you do.
MC: Ok!
*with a hint of "I need to stop perv... SIDEBOOB!" every now and then...

He doesn't have to whip his dick out and start fucking everyone senseless, I don't think that's what people saying he's way too passive mean, but for someone who seems to put a great importance on his pride and independence (that's what their first interaction showed anyway), he gives in very easily to pretty much everything she says. Anne made pretty clear to him that she needs him to keep an eye on Summer (she told her something different, but that could've been her "cover story"), so he doesn't have any reasons to feel his "sweet aunt" deserves a second chance. They have a deal. She pays his college and gives him a place to stay and he's keeping an eye on her daughter. All he has to do is keep his part of the deal, everything else is redundant. At this point of the story at least.

He needs to be more skeptical, about everything. As far as he knows outside of Samara, he has no reason to trust anyone, about anything.

 

[eddie987]

He needs to be more skeptical, about everything. As far as he knows outside of Samara, he has no reason to trust anyone, about anything.

Yeah, he doesn't have to be paranoid about it, but from the moment the "I feel guilty for abandoning you and want to help you out" turned into "but you'll have to do something for me", he has no reasons to see this as anything more than some sort of business deal. It might turn out that Anne really cares about him and actually feels remorse for what she did, but with the information he has so far, this as a "quid pro quo" type of situation and nothing more.

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

Shouldn't that make him act more distant and less like a "yes-man" though? So far all his interactions with Anne (besides his initial) feel like:
MC: Thanks, but I don't need/want that.
A: Yes, you do.
MC: Ok!
*with a hint of "I need to stop perv... SIDEBOOB!" every now and then...

He doesn't have to whip his dick out and start fucking everyone senseless, I don't think that's what people saying he's way too passive mean, but for someone who seems to put a great importance on his pride and independence (that's what their first interaction showed anyway), he gives in very easily to pretty much everything she says. Anne made pretty clear to him that she needs him to keep an eye on Summer (she told her something different, but that could've been her "cover story"), so he doesn't have any reasons to feel his "sweet aunt" deserves a second chance. They have a deal. She pays his college and gives him a place to stay and he's keeping an eye on her daughter. All he has to do is keep his part of the deal, everything else is redundant. At this point of the story at least.

maybe you are more confident then me then, because when I was younger I found myself very often around people I don't know or feel very awkward saying "yes" even if I don't want to.

I honestly didn't question his behavior, it seems natural to be from someone in his position.

Fear of abandonment is a big deal, and the need for someone to "take care of you" or to "love" you is very deep sometimes, I know that from experience and more often than not I would end up in places I didn't want to be in just so I could say "they care about me". I don't know how deep this game wants to go, but that shit runs very deep. And the "need" for someone to be there for you? boy, that's feeling is one of the scariest sometimes, as sometimes it feels like anybody would do, even if they are bad for you.

But again, I might be reading into it based on my own life experience. Or maybe we could have more inner monologues of the mc questioning everything, as that might shad some light about how the mc feels about all of this.