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Mod Ren'Py Alternate Existence [v2.2.1] - LaikDink's Walkthrough/Improvement Mod [MrKnobb]

Niuul

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Sorry about that, I have fixed that, and should not happen any more. Here is the updated DOWNLOAD




What issue are you having? Is it the same as above? If so that is now fixed.
Does that work with 2.2.1? Just bug fixes and some dialog fixes, dunno if that would cause errors or not with the mod. Or perhaps that was what the fix with your mod was for.
 

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Overview:
Walkthrough and Improvement mod for Alternate Existence

Updated: 10/06/2024
Game/Creator: Alternate Existence / MrKnobb - - - -
Modder: LaikDink
Mod Version: 2.2.1
Game Version: 2.2.1
Language: English

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Updated to v2.2.1
 

Dracconic Evolution

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Wow this mod has a lot to be desired with how it is implemented. Getting duplicate scenes at some points where they jump backwards in time just to repeat it in a different way makes the continuity very very confusing.
 
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Tiur

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Wow this mod has a lot to be desired with how it is implemented. Getting duplicate scenes at some points where they jump backwards in time just to repeat it in a different way makes the continuity very very confusing.
That's not really a mod issue, that's an issue with redundant scenes written by the game's dev to be mutually exclusive for no reason other than to artificially encourage "replayability". All the mod is doing is letting you see both versions of a given scene in the same playthrough.
 

Dracconic Evolution

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That's not really a mod issue, that's an issue with redundant scenes written by the game's dev to be mutually exclusive for no reason other than to artificially encourage "replayability". All the mod is doing is letting you see both versions of a given scene in the same playthrough.
What I mean is that some of the "Mod: Both" choices have a far too reaching impact on the continuity of the game.
 

Tiur

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What I mean is that some of the "Mod: Both" choices have a far too reaching impact on the continuity of the game.
Yes, and that's specifically because of some stupid decisions made by the creator of the game. All "Mod: Both" choices do is show you multiple versions of scenes where the variable set during that choice is referenced. I assume you're talking about the Tania/Andi choice - that is a major choice that has impacts for literally the rest of the game, but most of those scenes are redundant with each other despite being different scenes, because of how the game's dev wrote the game. It's a criticism I and a lot of other people have levied at the game.
 
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Dracconic Evolution

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Yes, and that's specifically because of some stupid decisions made by the creator of the game. All "Mod: Both" choices do is show you multiple versions of scenes where the variable set during that choice is referenced. I assume you're talking about the Tania/Andi choice - that is a major choice that has impacts for literally the rest of the game, but most of those scenes are redundant with each other despite being different scenes, because of how the game's dev wrote the game. It's a criticism I and a lot of other people have levied at the game.
No the 1 that caught me off guard is the "Both" for Summer and Charmane(?) where IF you were to choose "Dont say hi" you are suppose to meet Honey. When choosing "Both" I didnt meet Honey but when I went to their house all of the sudden I am greeted by Honey for some fun time and a computer problem. Then later on before Anne has the 'serious talk' you see the 'Greet Honey' scene 2 different times back to back like there is a glitch in the matrix. That is what I am talking about with the break in continuity. No warning, just boom in your face minutes or hours later.
 

Tiur

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No the 1 that caught me off guard is the "Both" for Summer and Charmane(?) where IF you were to choose "Dont say hi" you are suppose to meet Honey. When choosing "Both" I didnt meet Honey but when I went to their house all of the sudden I am greeted by Honey for some fun time and a computer problem. Then later on before Anne has the 'serious talk' you see the 'Greet Honey' scene 2 different times back to back like there is a glitch in the matrix. That is what I am talking about with the break in continuity. No warning, just boom in your face minutes or hours later.
Hah, yep, that's the completely unnecessarily arbitrary divide between Honey scenes and Charmane scenes. Which shouldn't even be mutually-exclusive like the Andi/Tania scenes, since they don't overlap narratively, and don't present any of the same information. It's fucking obnoxious, but it's 100% on the dev for the way they wrote those two as mutually-exclusive LIs. The mod dev is enabling both sets of scenes with that "Both" choice, so you're seeing them in the spots the dev put them in the code. It's dumb, but it's not something on the modder. If you don't like the break in continuity, just don't choose "Both" for that. (When the scenes repeat like that, it means the game dev repeated them in the two branches.)
 

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You keep referring to repeat redundant scenes eg. Honey / Charmane or Tania / Andi scenes. What do you mean by that?
Same story or choices that doesn't affect the story or character build? Sounds like you don't like what the dev is doing, then why play the game? Personally, I like the story, so I play for that.

Hah, yep, that's the completely unnecessarily arbitrary divide between Honey scenes and Charmane scenes. Which shouldn't even be mutually-exclusive like the Andi/Tania scenes, since they don't overlap narratively, and don't present any of the same information. It's fucking obnoxious, but it's 100% on the dev for the way they wrote those two as mutually-exclusive LIs. The mod dev is enabling both sets of scenes with that "Both" choice, so you're seeing them in the spots the dev put them in the code. It's dumb, but it's not something on the modder. If you don't like the break in continuity, just don't choose "Both" for that. (When the scenes repeat like that, it means the game dev repeated them in the two branches.)
 

Tiur

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You keep referring to repeat redundant scenes eg. Honey / Charmane or Tania / Andi scenes. What do you mean by that?
Same story or choices that doesn't affect the story or character build? Sounds like you don't like what the dev is doing, then why play the game? Personally, I like the story, so I play for that.
Why play? I like most of the LIs, and I am curious about the story. What I dislike are a few specific arbitrary things the dev did in both writing and coding that were completely unnecessary, and cheapen/weaken the game as a result.

Fundamentally, the problem is that this is a harem game in which you cannot have all LIs in the harem at the same time. Some people like that because they feel it adds replayability, others dislike it because replaying means holding down Ctrl for 90%+ of the game. This tends to encourage modders to create mods like this one, which include some choices that let you pick "Both" paths.

When I say "redundant scenes", I mean this: you have to choose between Tania and Andi for an arbitrary reason, early in the game, and that girl becomes the MC's official "girlfriend". The scene even suggests that they are friends, and both are into the MC, so there's no real reason that you should be completely 100% locked out of all scenes involving the other girl in this choice other than that that's what the dev arbitrarily decided to do. Going through the game, there are scenes that check which girl you chose as the "girlfriend", and shows you the appropriate scene starring either Andi or Tania. Some of those scenes are identical, with the scene duplicated and showing either Andi or Tania. Others of those scenes are filling the same narrative role, but the contents are significantly different, with different information provided, and even different characters met in at least one case.

Honey and Charmane show a much more egregious issue, in my opinion. The choice between them is arbitrary, non-obvious, and unnecessary. None of Honey and Charmane's scenes are identical, and none of them even happen at the same time, narratively, with a single exception that only happened that way because the dev arbitrarily decided that it did to artificially encourage a replay.
 

Firebeast

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I see what you mean. Thanks for your explanation. I guess repeated scenes that you mentioned, the dinner date at that beach place at night and then MC fucking either Tania in the ally or Andi in the ally? I can only think he did this as he maybe thought players will choose one choice of Li or path and stick to that. But as you say some players will replay to see all options I guess.

I've done this, i play both options and have a couple of save files for various girl options. I tried the mod but didn't like it as it confuses me. I am always worried it blurs the story. At least in other games i have found this happening but in this game as per the OP on the original game page, its a linear story with some choices in between.

Why play? I like most of the LIs, and I am curious about the story. What I dislike are a few specific arbitrary things the dev did in both writing and coding that were completely unnecessary, and cheapen/weaken the game as a result.

Fundamentally, the problem is that this is a harem game in which you cannot have all LIs in the harem at the same time. Some people like that because they feel it adds replayability, others dislike it because replaying means holding down Ctrl for 90%+ of the game. This tends to encourage modders to create mods like this one, which include some choices that let you pick "Both" paths.

When I say "redundant scenes", I mean this: you have to choose between Tania and Andi for an arbitrary reason, early in the game, and that girl becomes the MC's official "girlfriend". The scene even suggests that they are friends, and both are into the MC, so there's no real reason that you should be completely 100% locked out of all scenes involving the other girl in this choice other than that that's what the dev arbitrarily decided to do. Going through the game, there are scenes that check which girl you chose as the "girlfriend", and shows you the appropriate scene starring either Andi or Tania. Some of those scenes are identical, with the scene duplicated and showing either Andi or Tania. Others of those scenes are filling the same narrative role, but the contents are significantly different, with different information provided, and even different characters met in at least one case.

Honey and Charmane show a much more egregious issue, in my opinion. The choice between them is arbitrary, non-obvious, and unnecessary. None of Honey and Charmane's scenes are identical, and none of them even happen at the same time, narratively, with a single exception that only happened that way because the dev arbitrarily decided that it did to artificially encourage a replay.
 

Dracconic Evolution

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Now the mod doesnt work with S2 at the very first "Both" option. It literally skips over the the "jump" queue to go to the other option and just continues on with the story as though you only selected 1 of the single choices.

Edit: well it seems that I had to go and fix the mistake/error on the Mod Devs part. Line 2493 needs to be an "else:" statement in order for the Mod to show "Both" options rather than just giving you 1 of them. Also it seems that a lot of the "jump..." lines of code are not needed in order for the game to continue to the next section.
 
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