Alternative to Itchio for indie and audience ? I think about creating one let's discuss it

[defnotalt]

For the love of god people, do not complain about them taking 15% share...

If they can get it working with only 15%, it will already be a big achievement. Lower share is important, but the store staying afloat is obviously the priority, specially for a new business.

Telling them to take 5% is basically telling them to fuck off and bankrupt immediately

 

[Jeaquares]

Can we pay with Monero? Or any other crypto currency? Are they able to control crypto currencies too? I don't think so.

 

[liade]

What your opinion on Cloud Gaming?

You have nothing, you gain nothing they can change anything and you will not be able to say anything about that. And confort and quality are awful

 

[liade]

For the love of god people, do not complain about them taking 15% share...

If they can get it working with only 15%, it will already be a big achievement. Lower share is important, but the store staying afloat is obviously the priority, specially for a new business.

Telling them to take 5% is basically telling them to fuck off and bankrupt immediately

thanks god to say that

 

[liade]

Can we pay with Monero? Or any other crypto currency? Are they able to control crypto currencies too? I don't think so.

crypto will be allowed, but you need to know that creator will not be paid in crypto i will only use that has paiment methode. and for what i can see, the service i will use seems to allow a shit town of different token so you will have a large choice

 

[liade]

hey , their is a preview of the actual website, we know make majority of the push/edit game feature.The work continue !!

 

[DocRipper]

Are they able to control crypto currencies too? I don't think so.

Of course not. Well, look here. .. F95 relied on crypto and "double step loophole" - crypto vouchers, which proved to be more acceptable solution to many users.

 

[peterppp]

• After submitting my Non-U.S. citizenship tax documents, I was informed that 30% of my earnings would be withheld—apparently because my country is on a U.S.-sanctioned list (at least that’s how I understood it). Combined with payment processor fees, Itch.io’s share, and Payoneer transaction fees, the cuts were pretty steep.
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30% of earnings from us customers, so only $68. not too bad

only 1% rev share? bro, dont be greedy. ppl like you give adult devs a bad name on itch, sucking them dry.

 

[peterppp]

I’m now setting the revenue share to 0%.
I used to set it to 10%, but month after month, I had to chase them just to do what they were supposed to—review earnings and send the payout. Reminding someone to honor a basic agreement shouldn’t become part of the creator’s routine. Combine that with slow, sometimes rude customer support.

way to double down on showing you're giving adult devs a bad name on itch. watch it. were you not around for the 2023 itch purge? i doubt many adult devs with some insight into what happened dared to keep 0% rev share after that if they wanted to sleep well

everyone has to wait for payouts. it takes time. you're not special. if you repeatedly nag them about it, showing the entitled attitude you show here, no wonder they can be rude.

sleep well, if you can

 

[peterppp]

Phew... I honestly don’t know why I’m still replying to you. I’ve been there since 2021.

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Feel free to Google it if you're curious—you’ll see exactly what I mean.

sometimes it gets delayed for whatever reason, like tax documents needing updating (read your links). so what? it happens. most people dont cry like a little baby over it

you wanna be an entitled crybaby who gets banned from "collected by itch" because you use 0% rev share, be my guest. i aint stopping you.

 

[peterppp]

I don’t think you understood what I was saying. In my original post, I was actually praising itch.io for offering the "Collected by Itch.io, Paid Later (Payoneer)" option. Did you even read that part carefully?

My Best Experiences with Itch.io:

• Collected by Itch.io, Paid Later (Payoneer)

and i implied that you could get banned from that option if you use rev share 0%. did you even read that part carefully?

dont come crying here when you're banned from collected by itch. or actually, please do.

 

[Winterfire]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned in these 5 pages already, but the good thing about itch.io was visibility.
I guess you using crypto slaps a quick patch to the core issue (which remains), but unless you have solid plans for marketing, I don't think your platform will go very far.

 

[peterppp]

I still don't understand why you keep saying things like “don't come cry here” or “cry like a baby.” I’m not crying. I come from a country where people are killed right in front of you. The military—the junta—kills people for fun, or just to show its power. If you're lucky, you get four hours of electricity a day. And there's endless drama.

Can you imagine someone from a place like that crying over something like this? Just so you know—I don't cry easily. But I also don’t think crying is something to be ashamed of. When I do cry, I do it freely. And please, don’t act tough online—it’s not that impressive.

it's an expression, not to be taken literally. it means you complain and whine (another word not to be taken literally) more than is called for. itch is under attack and you withdraw your support, the little you gave. that's the action of an entitled crybaby, not a mature, adult person who supports the victim.

if you're gonna earn money thanks to itch without giving them anything back when you so easily can just by setting that rev share, you're a parasite.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

We’re currently evaluating the full cost of the project. Our goal is to take as small a share as possible from creators. I’m aiming for 15%, and I’ll do my best to go lower if feasible but we still need more real-world data to make that decision.

It is a tough one, but is a straight % the answer? just wondering what you are hosting, finished games only, or the ongoing in development titles.? What safeguards are you going to put up to stop the shovel-ware spam taking your hosting capacity and paying 0 unless they are successful.

Do not mean to play devils advocate, but you should make sure the gates not open to abuse day 1. Tough balancing act but just foresee issue for you if you don't build that safeguard into your sites DNA and ethos - Best of luck hope to see it succeed.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

I still don't understand why you keep saying things

I have only a single user blocked, and I did so because their entire premise was to argue people are wrong, not actually put forwards anything of their own.

 

[peterppp]

Who’s the baby here, and who’s mature? You keep making these remarks—calling me things like parasite, crybaby, greedy, and so on. Meanwhile, I’ve stayed calm and haven’t used a single insult. I wonder how someone like you would react if you were treated like a mirror—spoken to the same way you speak to others.

giving 0% to someone you're using for your benefit (and who is under attack) isn't greedy and being a parasite?

anyway, sleep well. enjoy that collected by itch for free while you can

 

[After Choices]

giving 0% to someone you're using for your benefit (and who is under attack) isn't greedy and being a parasite?

anyway, sleep well. enjoy that collected by itch for free while you can

I see what you're trying to do—writing things in a way that newcomers won’t understand the full context, hoping they’ll jump to conclusions and take your side. Go ahead and play it how you want.

suprisedcrankyface was right.

their entire premise was to argue people are wrong

 

[peterppp]

suprisedcrankyface was right.

dude, that guy is never right, that's his problem. he can't even spell his own name... suRprisedcrankyface. he is missing an r.

 

[liade]

It is a tough one, but is a straight % the answer? just wondering what you are hosting, finished games only, or the ongoing in development titles.? What safeguards are you going to put up to stop the shovel-ware spam taking your hosting capacity and paying 0 unless they are successful.

Do not mean to play devils advocate, but you should make sure the gates not open to abuse day 1. Tough balancing act but just foresee issue for you if you don't build that safeguard into your sites DNA and ethos - Best of luck hope to see it succeed.

So let's anwser to all of your question (some was already anwsered and lost in this feed)

i don't know what "straight % the anwser " but if you talk about fee we aim 15%for the platform and people will choose how to pay and see everything about cost and tax calculation,people will be free to choose what they prefere.

We hosting every game that follow the content guideline. Early acces , finished game etc, but it have to be announced, people have to know what they download and/or pay.

Every game will be manually accepted on the website, low effort game will probably be refused. or have a specific catagory like (simple repetive game) they will not feel welcome.

Creator will use external link for download of free/Demo content, paid content will be host by us to avoid file deletation.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

So let's anwser to all of your question (some was already anwsered and lost in this feed)

i don't know what "straight % the anwser " but if you talk about fee we aim 15%for the platform and people will choose how to pay and see everything about cost and tax calculation,people will be free to choose what they prefere.

We hosting every game that follow the content guideline. Early access , finished game etc, but it have to be announced, people have to know what they download and/or pay.

Every game will be manually accepted on the website, low effort game will probably be refused. or have a specific catagory like (simple repetive game) they will not feel welcome.

Creator will use external link for download of free/Demo content, paid content will be host by us to avoid file deletation.

Half answered with manual review of quality- What I meant overall was don't forget safeguards to ensure:
y (income) minus x (hosting costs/overheads/payments) doesn't = negative income.

Because if you host many new games generating costs to yourself but not enough sales to cover them, it could be an issue (despite your free work as an employee) & if that occurs increasing the % punishes your good selling titles to offset those that don't. Maybe have a think about file sizes etc (hosting a 40 gig game costs you more than a 1 gig game). Not telling you what to do, but having a clear path at the start will go alot better than attempting to course correct after launch. You can always offer free grace periods of hosting for new devs &/or refunded deposits when a milestone in sales are reached etc.

This is why fees are a thing (from a non greedy perspective). If a game retails at $1 its going to potentially drive you backwards even if its selling a ton of copies (if the sales don't generate you enough income to cover your overheads). If its needed for longevity 15% (to a minimum of x, whichever is the greater) might just keep you afloat. A transparent formula isnt in bad faith and devs optimizing their games would get that figure lower as they drop the overheads they incur for you (might even be room to reduce the 15% to a formula per sale in certain instances to incentivize successful games from going off to their own websites).

I.e. if a game costs you $0.20 to sell, you need to ensure you are AT LEAST earning that much + any margin, regardless of the sale cost,and being clear and upfront early will help devs price their games at the start.

Just something to think about if you are legitimate about getting it off the ground and staying there, not telling you what to do, just raising it as an issue that sends many hosting services and the like under