Alternative to Itchio for indie and audience ? I think about creating one let's discuss it

[MissCougar]

The goal is basic ethics toward devs and customers, to help push a better place for adult games in different ways. But let’s answer your question first.


For free games/demo, links are available to everyone, not just registered users.


We aim to support both classic and crypto payments, so people can keep some level of anonymity if they want. Especially for those in less free countries than mine.


We still have time before AI-based age checks become law. Either way, we want as little info about you as possible. Like any platform, we can't check if it's real and we’re not allowed to.


For payment invoices, country, and account email, these will be stored in a separate, secured database. Best protection is less data.


The site will be DRM free. If you download a game, you’ll need to give up the 14 day refund right. Otherwise, yes, refunds are possible.


If a dev shares a paid game, they upload it to our server to avoid dead links. You can download and get updates. If the dev drops the project, no more sales, but past buyers can still download it.


If law enforcement asks for data, we’ll comply only as needed by law. That’s why we collect as little as possible.


Some extras:
Reviews, a questions section, and a report button on game pages
Blacklist themes you don’t want to see in your profile
Strong search tools, similar to top 2025 marketplace features

You know this feels like an AI/edited AI answer when the formatting, punctuation, etc is totally different from how you write on your own. I can tell you added the bit at the end though about extras.

So what it seems like you are implying is that you won't even try to verify if your users are of age, which I think will be problematic for you. Best of luck!!!

Seems like you have all your bases covered for all the payment systems, too. Just slap em in there and hope for the best.

 

[liade]

You know this feels like an AI/edited AI answer when the formatting, punctuation, etc is totally different from how you write on your own. I can tell you added the bit at the end though about extras.

So what it seems like you are implying is that you won't even try to verify if your users are of age, which I think will be problematic for you. Best of luck!!!

Seems like you have all your bases covered for all the payment systems, too. Just slap em in there and hope for the best.

I just don't want english native feel anoying because of some writing mistake. i know it can be anoying but master english has an native writing level is hard. Ai improve this part, i don't think this is enough to make my project a joke, i don't try to be a best seller book author.

Also let me correct you , will be in full legality and ai based age check is not a mandatory yet, and when it will be we will comply and still not collect data or less has possible (third party tools).

 

[MissCougar]

I just don't want english native feel anoying because of some writing mistake. i know it can be anoying but master english has an native writing level is hard. Ai improve this part, i don't think this is enough to make my project a joke, i don't try to be a best seller book author.

Also let me correct you , will be in full legality and ai based age check is not a mandatory yet, and when it will be we will comply and still not collect data or less has possible (third party tools).

So are you hiring some PR or helpers to assist with English communication? While I don't fault you one bit for not speaking English like a pro, because heaven knows I can't speak even two languages, a lot of things are going to hit you in English, including lawyers/legal folks.

 

[Count Morado]

Like any platform, we can't check if it's real and we’re not allowed to.

Not for developers, You must get their identities - you are not only allowed to, you're required to.

We aim to support both classic and crypto payments, so people can keep some level of anonymity if they want.

This is impossible and illegal when it comes to developers. You are required to get their identity - proven with government documents, for income/business tax reporting that YOU have to do each year when required by the developer's national government.

The site will be DRM free. If you download a game, you’ll need to give up the 14 day refund right. Otherwise, yes, refunds are possible.

You realize this will only result in increased refunds, right?
14 days is about 14 days longer than most people need to play a game. So, they can play the game 14 times and return it for a refund. There's a reason why Steam has a very short refund window - and this is it.
Also, if it is DRM-free - not only will there be massive increase in refunds - but they can request the refunds without having to stop playing the game. DRM-free means they can play indefinitely with no retribution.

If law enforcement asks for data, we’ll comply only as needed by law. That’s why we collect as little as possible.

So IP addresses, email addresses, etc for players
Names, addresses, email addresses, identification information and more for developers.

 

[liade]

Not for developers, You must get their identities - you are not only allowed to, you're required to.

This is impossible and illegal when it comes to developers. You are required to get their identity - proven with government documents, for income/business tax reporting that YOU have to do each year when required by the developer's national government.

You realize this will only result in increased refunds, right?
14 days is about 14 days longer than most people need to play a game. So, they can play the game 14 times and return it for a refund. There's a reason why Steam has a very short refund window - and this is it.
Also, if it is DRM-free - not only will there be massive increase in refunds - but they can request the refunds without having to stop playing the game. DRM-free means they can play indefinitely with no retribution.

So IP addresses, email addresses, etc for players
Names, addresses, email addresses, identification information and more for developers.

That answer was about customers...


Yes, for creators, like on any other platform, we’ll have to ask for some critical data. If you’ve ever tried to make money online, you already know what kind of info we’re talking about.


It seems you didn’t get what I was saying. You have the right to a 14-day refund on your game, but you’ll need to give it up if you download it. For the same legal reason you mentioned.


There’s nothing new or innovative here. We’re not trying to change standard legal practices.

 

[Count Morado]

That answer was about customers...


Yes, for creators, like on any other platform, we’ll have to ask for some critical data. If you’ve ever tried to make money online, you already know what kind of info we’re talking about.


It seems you didn’t get what I was saying. You have the right to a 14-day refund on your game, but you’ll need to give it up if you download it. For the same legal reason you mentioned.


There’s nothing new or innovative here. We’re not trying to change standard legal practices.

I understand fully what you are saying. I don't think YOU understand what you are saying.

You will have to get information where the customers live for those that live in jurisdictions that require sales tax payments for all sales. So yes, - you will have to collect certain data.

--- Oh, and VAT. You have to be compliant with countries and VAT.

As for your unrealistic idea that people will be honest when they request a refund --- People will not voluntarily delete a downloaded game that is not DRM-protected after they receive a refund. Not after 1 day. Not after 14 days.

You are right, there is nothing new or innovative here. You completely lack innovation. You're in over your head. It shows with every post you make that you have very little business experience, let alone the KSAs necessary to do this. That's not even counting the seed money necessary to do this. And no venture capitalist is going to back you with what you have been presenting.

 

[MissCougar]

I understand fully what you are saying. I don't think YOU understand what you are saying.

You will have to get information where the customers live for those that live in jurisdictions that require sales tax payments for all sales. So yes, - you will have to collect certain data.

--- Oh, and VAT. You have to be compliant with countries and VAT.

As for your unrealistic idea that people will be honest when they request a refund --- People will not voluntarily delete a downloaded game that is not DRM-protected after they receive a refund. Not after 1 day. Not after 14 days.

You are right, there is nothing new or innovative here. You completely lack innovation. You're in over your head. It shows with every post you make that you have very little business experience, let alone the KSAs necessary to do this. That's not even counting the seed money necessary to do this. And no venture capitalist is going to back you with what you have been presenting.

My new fetish is going well. I also like how it is still riddled with AI, so it's like I never left the AI CG, just removed the CG.

liade I want to believe in you and I'm sure you want to believe in you, but i do fear this may be something too big for you, and may end in some sort of lawsuit or worse. I don't see how this could end with you making money to survive or saving the adult gaming industry. Don't do anything that jeopardizes your day job! <3

 

[Insanatee]

Thank you Count for keeping it real. It's difficult to have the urge to make a difficult situation better and not know how. Even harder to have someone with more experience throw cold water on unrealistic ideas. I don't like feeling powerless either, it sucks. I can only hope this too will pass.

 

[YukitoNakamura]

THe problem is that age checks, unless they are toggle only, are way too intrusive. And governments have proved time and time again that the age-gate laws are pure censorship, not real age-gating.

Crypto will attract the government bootlickers to your platform, because they want to push their own crypto(CBDC), that's the real idea behind their witch hunts against crypto. Governments hate freedom, they hate not being the men in the middle.

 

[liade]

I understand fully what you are saying. I don't think YOU understand what you are saying.

You will have to get information where the customers live for those that live in jurisdictions that require sales tax payments for all sales. So yes, - you will have to collect certain data.

--- Oh, and VAT. You have to be compliant with countries and VAT.

As for your unrealistic idea that people will be honest when they request a refund --- People will not voluntarily delete a downloaded game that is not DRM-protected after they receive a refund. Not after 1 day. Not after 14 days.

You are right, there is nothing new or innovative here. You completely lack innovation. You're in over your head. It shows with every post you make that you have very little business experience, let alone the KSAs necessary to do this. That's not even counting the seed money necessary to do this. And no venture capitalist is going to back you with what you have been presenting.

No you don't i already say i need some data,
And i told you that you will not be able to refund something you already downloaded...

but you continue with your idea in mind, you attack my project from the start, i could understand if my project ask for money/crowfunding or else, but not it's not even able to be a scam. but you still continue to attack.on the other and you help for nothing, you don't try to improve the situation and you spend so much effort to make some people that truly want to create an altenative abandon their project.

And most impressive than the rest your don't even consider anwser to your "questions" and you continue your weird harassement against people who like to find solutions.

What can drive this amount of hate.
You don't know more the law than lawfirm i contacted. you don't know more the payement process than payement processor i spend hours talking with, you don't know more about scaling the website than expect i contacted that help us to find a great way to achieve our technical side.


It's not like you try to warn us, or try to help us you just attack with all the worst intention my project and what i say.
I can say i will succeed for sure ! but at least me and my team try their best to produce something usefull when you spend your days helping collective shouts by your behavior here and probably at a lot of other place.

 

[liade]

My new fetish is going well. I also like how it is still riddled with AI, so it's like I never left the AI CG, just removed the CG.

liade I want to believe in you and I'm sure you want to believe in you, but i do fear this may be something too big for you, and may end in some sort of lawsuit or worse. I don't see how this could end with you making money to survive or saving the adult gaming industry. Don't do anything that jeopardizes your day job! <3

And what if people didn't care enough about my platform and i never be able to implement the payement side etc because we don't have a big enough audience... it's sad but we still have a nice sharing place where creator can post and player cna discover. it's not has great has what we want to create but it's still a nice help for everyone delisted and the adult game comunity in general. no ?

 

[liade]

THe problem is that age checks, unless they are toggle only, are way too intrusive. And governments have proved time and time again that the age-gate laws are pure censorship, not real age-gating.

Crypto will attract the government bootlickers to your platform, because they want to push their own crypto(CBDC), that's the real idea behind their witch hunts against crypto. Governments hate freedom, they hate not being the men in the middle.

I think the same but i feat it will be a mandatory in adult website in general. it will probably be an ai based scan to know your average age . i don't like that but it's what things seems to be... but i'm sure people will findd a way that will cheat on these ai scan. people want their liberty back

 

[MissCougar]

And what if people didn't care enough about my platform and i never be able to implement the payement side etc because we don't have a big enough audience... it's sad but we still have a nice sharing place where creator can post and player cna discover. it's not has great has what we want to create but it's still a nice help for everyone delisted and the adult game comunity in general. no ?

I appreciate your candor and innocence and just wanting to help. I wish life were that innocent, though since its for adult content I'm not entirely sure if innocent or pure may be the right words here.

I think the best way to attack these problems is to not only tackle all the things people are suffering from right now, but also the business side of how can it be profitable enough to keep alive, assuming all the legal and other loopholes don't catch you first.

These are just big projects, and I don't want to see someone inadvertently get themselves in trouble, legally or financially.

I hope you can do it!

 

[YukitoNakamura]

I think the same but i feat it will be a mandatory in adult website in general. it will probably be an ai based scan to know your average age . i don't like that but it's what things seems to be... but i'm sure people will findd a way that will cheat on these ai scan. people want their liberty back

Yeah, unfortunately. Unless we are able to push against the KOSA-like laws in the US. I'm dealing with Brazil's KOSA(Bill 2630) with may come back at anytime, moreso now that the justice behind it is PISSED. Fortunately, I have provisions in place, using VPN and have blocked Brazil on my website's Web App Firewall(Cloudflare).
I've also blocked the UK just so Peter Kyle/OFCOM can't hit me with their stupid laws.

 

[MLocke]

An AI-based face scan is not a solution. It is admitting defeat before you even get started. That should discourage you more than anything anyone in this thread can say. Outlawing all children and giving everyone an AI pet wouldn't be giving up enough control to make the people behind this happy. The future is stupid.

 

[MissCougar]

An AI-based face scan is not a solution. It is admitting defeat before you even get started. That should discourage you more than anything anyone in this thread can say. Outlawing all children and giving everyone an AI pet wouldn't be giving up enough control to make the people behind this happy. The future is stupid.

So that is kind of the point of these things.

If someone is serious and does necessary research, and digging into legalities and government requirements around the globe- you're going to come to the conclusion that itch.io and Steam didn't do anything better or worse than your project could do, and you will need to do the same things they did. there is no way to not comply with laws just because you don't like them.

This is a government problem that has to be solved. But I won't stop anyone from doing what they want to do, including making another Steam clone that will be better than Steam because unicorn magic inspired it.

 

[taiki_wata]

You don't know more the law than lawfirm i contacted. you don't know more the payement process than payement processor i spend hours talking with, you don't know more about scaling the website than expect i contacted that help us to find a great way to achieve our technical side.

Well if you're actively working with a law firm then obviously you should just ignore naysayers here. People (on the internet) like to think they understand the laws more than they actually do, and F95 is collectively on the spectrum. You can't expect reasonable feedback here.

 

[liade]

So that is kind of the point of these things.

If someone is serious and does necessary research, and digging into legalities and government requirements around the globe- you're going to come to the conclusion that itch.io and Steam didn't do anything better or worse than your project could do, and you will need to do the same things they did. there is no way to not comply with laws just because you don't like them.

This is a government problem that has to be solved. But I won't stop anyone from doing what they want to do, including making another Steam clone that will be better than Steam because unicorn magic inspired it.

add a fake encouragement to every message don't make them encouraging when you make fun of my project in every words you use.

why did you modify reality like that. i never tell i will beat steam i say i will create a specialized niche markeplace to allow people to sell and buy between bondary of law wich is larger than what these new rule for steam and itchio allow. so when your game are delisted people will be happy to came to my platform AT LEAST to showcase or promote some new links.

 

[liade]

Well if you're actively working with a law firm then obviously you should just ignore naysayers here. People (on the internet) like to think they understand the laws more than they actually do, and F95 is collectively on the spectrum. You can't expect reasonable feedback here.

you right

 

[F4C430]

We still have time before AI-based age checks become law. Either way, we want as little info about you as possible. Like any platform, we can't check if it's real and we’re not allowed to.

For payment invoices, country, and account email, these will be stored in a separate, secured database. Best protection is less data.

If law enforcement asks for data, we’ll comply only as needed by law. That’s why we collect as little as possible.

Thanks for responding but i think i'll have to wait to see your finalised legal documents because "as little info about you as possible" doesn't answer the question. Not trying to attack what you're doing, this is just a legitimate concern as a potential customer. Clearly you'll need more than just a country and email because i'm assuming you'll need to store login information and past purchases including payment method and potentially other billing information used for the purchase especially if you're going to offer refunds.