Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games

[Mwanted]

I totally agree with you. Just think about. if Patreon wanted to allow this type of content they just needed to clone their website, integrate with other payment system and thats it. This is an extreme easy thing to do since they have money and the system already developed.

Yeah. They could even raise the fees for the adult section, and I'm sure people would still keep supporting their creators.
But noo, let's censor everything and allow only prudish content :|
That's why I stopped my 30$/month of pledges on patreon. I'll never support those hypocrites again, not even for non adult content.
PS: I read what you wrote. Unfortunately I think you need to find a better solution for the 1-5$ pledges. That's the vast majority and a fixed (non %) fee equals their death (people will rarely pay x months in advance)

 

[OttO]

See, that's not really true. Their investors aren't saints. The probability that they don't jack off to Ayn Rand is so low that it's not worth mentioning. The problem isn't them, its their perception of us. If we as a society came together in support of smut, companies would be climbing over one another to peddle in it. But because we treat it like a taboo they do too.

In my opinion it's only partially true and you are generalizing to much. I repost an answer I gave in another thread:

In short: new investor, DFJ Venture capital and their 60 million $ (it's all in Conte's tweets). While it's true that banks have hard time dealing with adult content, it's only one of the factors. At one time they did, apparently got in trouble with Paypal, even froze new subscriptions for NSFW content with it, but after a while, in an official mail they bragged how they made a deal with Paypal subsidiary and how they are proud to welcome adult creators on their platform.

The thing is they piggy backed on fetish porn until they felt strong enough to cut ties. Back in the day, company totally against their "big 3" wouldn't have done that, wold they?

 

[DarthSeduction]

In my opinion it's only partially true and you are generalizing to much. I repost an answer I gave in another thread:

In short: new investor, DFJ Venture capital and their 60 million $ (it's all in Conte's tweets). While it's true that banks have hard time dealing with adult content, it's only one of the factors. At one time they did, apparently got in trouble with Paypal, even froze new subscriptions for NSFW content with it, but after a while, in an official mail they bragged how they made a deal with Paypal subsidiary and how they are proud to welcome adult creators on their platform.

The thing is they piggy backed on fetish porn until they felt strong enough to cut ties. Back in the day, company totally against their "big 3" wouldn't have done that, wold they?
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I don't see how that does anything other than affirm what I said... they aren't censoring adult content because they don't like adult content on principle, they're censoring adult content because of social stigma. Even the trouble with adult content as far as payments being refused comes from the social stigma. Its that repressed adult who can't admit to their spouse that they sometimes need porn to get off.

 

[przewodo]

Yeah. They could even raise the fees for the adult section, and I'm sure people would still keep supporting their creators.
But noo, let's censor everything and allow only prudish content :|
That's why I stopped my 30$/month of pledges on patreon. I'll never support those hypocrites again, not even for non adult content.
PS: I read what you wrote. Unfortunately I think you need to find a better solution for the 1-5$ pledges. That's the vast majority and a fixed (non %) fee equals their death (people will rarely pay x months in advance)

I did implemented one solution for the 1-5. For example, you can charge $6.00 each 6 months. That is the same as $1/month, but the mains difference is that the $0.65 is diluted in 6 times too because we do only one charge each 6 months.

Creators can configure their rewards like this. You can even see this on the reward. If you go to the first project that we have there, the first reward is a $1.00 but charged every 5 months.

And you can do it for any value. $12 every 12 months, etc...

 

[coolboy88]

Maybe one of us should go ahead and start a website like patreon but for adult games and comics. If you're smart with tech, maybe it's a good way to start and obviously many of us will support or donate for the website to grow. It could help the developers to raise money. Just a suggestion.

 

[przewodo]

Maybe one of us should go ahead and start a website like patreon but for adult games and comics. If you're smart with tech, maybe it's a good way to start and obviously many of us will support or donate for the website to grow. It could help the developers to raise money. Just a suggestion.

This is exactly what we did.

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[DarthSeduction]

Maybe one of us should go ahead and start a website like patreon but for adult games and comics. If you're smart with tech, maybe it's a good way to start and obviously many of us will support or donate for the website to grow. It could help the developers to raise money. Just a suggestion.

The problem isn't the platform, its the payment provider. There are places like Adultpledge.com, but the fees are prohibitive for such small scale projects as we are used to.

 

[przewodo]

The problem isn't the platform, its the payment provider. There are places like Adultpledge.com, but the fees are prohibitive for such small scale projects as we are used to.

We did made one solution for small fees. you can make $6.00 every 6 months that is the same as $1.00 per month. then the 0.65 is diluted by 6. at the end this is almost equal patreon. For higher values than $10 you can make normal monthly.

 

[przewodo]

I forgot to mention that if the market have higher fees for adult content it will very difficult to make more cheaper. who dictates how much the fees will be is the payment system. Is almost impossible to maintain all infraestructure of servers for a huge amount of access and have lower fees, after all, you must have some profit. Patreon says that they only get 4.5% but they get even more, because normal market, the fees is between 2~4 without charging cents every transaction. then if they charges 10% they can be getting about 6%~7%.

At the beginning that I thought that we could use PayPal, our fees would be 7.5%. Paypal was 3% and our was 4.5%.

 

[przewodo]

And I forgot to mention too that this solution that we made to make $6.00 every 6 months, the creator will receive this 6 months in anticipation. The backer will have acces for the reward of $1.00 during this 6 months. And remember this can be configured as the creator likes. 12 every 12 months, 20 every 2 months, etc...

 

[przewodo]

And I forgot to mention too that this solution that we made to make $6.00 every 6 months, the creator will receive this 6 months in anticipation. The backer will have acces for the reward of $1.00 during this 6 months. And remember this can be configured as the creator likes. 12 every 12 months, 20 every 2 months, etc...

 

[DarthSeduction]

And I forgot to mention too that this solution that we made to make $6.00 every 6 months, the creator will receive this 6 months in anticipation. The backer will have acces for the reward of $1.00 during this 6 months. And remember this can be configured as the creator likes. 12 every 12 months, 20 every 2 months, etc...

My fear with that is consistency. Am I gonna have to make a really good month stretch out for 6 months? Also, while I do plan on a second project to begin shortly after my first, my first is only a 6 month project anyways. My game is a contained romance between two characters. There's no point in dragging it out.

I don't want to discourage you, or sound like I'm complaining, I'm simply being real with you. I would love for things to just work. I have at least a month left before my project launches, and I might consider your site, but I don't know yet.

Quick question, is there anything in your TOS that would prevent me from using multiple funding platforms?

 

[John Doe Jr.]

Initially a lot of games were suspended, but most are resurfacing "cleaned up" , it seems Patreon would still be viable as long as you conform to their initial "public standards". So far All of my followed user's sites are all back up.

And now a few months later they're even more strict. Dating My Daughter was booted from Patreon. They pretty much told the developer that his game must go, or else his account will be banned.

 

[DarthSeduction]

And now a few months later they're even more strict. Dating My Daughter was booted from Patreon. They pretty much told the developer that his game must go, or else his account will be banned.

In their defense they'd already shut down Mr. Dots once and thats when he officially renamed it DmD. However, Mr. Dots was still clearly in violation, he had not actually removed the content, which was still in his code, and he'd even been blatant talking about it in terms of incest and how to subvert the censor on his page. He was bound to get caught, and they were bound to take the next step. I'd say the only reason he got to keep his account at all was that he made them a lot of money.

 

[Mwanted]

And I forgot to mention too that this solution that we made to make $6.00 every 6 months, the creator will receive this 6 months in anticipation. The backer will have acces for the reward of $1.00 during this 6 months. And remember this can be configured as the creator likes. 12 every 12 months, 20 every 2 months, etc...

That's the problem. Very few people will like paying half a year in advance.

 

[DarthSeduction]

That's the problem. Very few people will like paying half a year in advance.

I mean, for 6 bucks, it won't be such an issue, but yeah, I'm more worried about it from the dev side, having to stretch a good month over 6 rather than having a steady monthly income.

 

[przewodo]

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My fear with that is consistency. Am I gonna have to make a really good month stretch out for 6 months? Also, while I do plan on a second project to begin shortly after my first, my first is only a 6 month project anyways. My game is a contained romance between two characters. There's no point in dragging it out.

I don't want to discourage you, or sound like I'm complaining, I'm simply being real with you. I would love for things to just work. I have at least a month left before my project launches, and I might consider your site, but I don't know yet.

Quick question, is there anything in your TOS that would prevent me from using multiple funding platforms?

I know that you dont want to discourage . actually for me is very good to know the opinion of everyone.

About our TOS, you can make your campain in other place too, We don't care because we want to make an platform that serves to anyone. We dont want to compete with others. We are very specific for what we allow and we want aim what others don't want.

 

[Mwanted]

I mean, for 6 bucks, it won't be such an issue, but yeah, I'm more worried about it from the dev side, having to stretch a good month over 6 rather than having a steady monthly income.

It's not like that: 6 bucks can be almost insignificant for you or me but there are a lot of people for which it isn't (due to currency exchange rates). And think about the patrons who like to pledge to a lot of creators with fewer amounts: do you really think they're gonna spend 150-250$ in advance? Nope.
And other than that it's also the concept: can I afford to trust that creator for 6 months?

 

[przewodo]

It's not like that: 6 bucks can be almost insignificant for you or me but there are a lot of people for which it isn't (due to currency exchange rates). And think about the patrons who like to pledge to a lot of creators with fewer amounts: do you really think they're gonna spend 250$ in advance? Nope.
And other than that it's also the concept: can I afford to trust that creator for 6 months?

i understand everything that you said and I agree with you. We did it to try to find an solution for the high fees that the adult industriy have. This is what kills pledges from. 1~5. :teary:

 

[DarthSeduction]

It's not like that: 6 bucks can be almost insignificant for you or me but there are a lot of people for which it isn't (due to currency exchange rates). And try to think the patrons who likes to pledge to a lot of creators with few amounts: do you really think they're gonna spend 250$ in advance? Nope.
And other than that it's also the concept: can I afford to trust that creator for 6 months?

I didn't understand it as being limited to paying months in advance. However, as I said, if you were going to pay monthly, because of the prohibitive fees, I'd have a 3 dollar minimum. So in reality, you'd be saving money if I opened a 6 motnth for 6 dollars tier.