Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games

[przewodo]

It's a possibility, but sounds like a lot of work. Here are some of the scenario.

I only want to pledge $1, can't because all the credit packages might require me to pay at least $6.99.

I pay the $6.99 and get my 5 credits. Let's say there's two content creator that has a "3 credit tier" I want to support. Well? What happens here, the backer well have to spend another $6.99 assuming this is the cheapest package, just to get 1 more credits to support the other content creator? So instead of spending a flat $6 in total the backer is spending $13.98?

The backers will be in a loop of buying credits to support different tiers that content creator offers. Sounds like a tedious task if you ask me.

For adult entertainment I think that will be almost impossible to make pledges lower than $5.00. But about get 6 credits intead 5, just let them set how much credits you want with a minimum of 5. Unfortunately there is no perfect world. Use normal payments and have to hide all porn or let be free and pay high fees.

Freedom x Paying the price. If I find some payment system that is well known, reliable, that accepts porn and have low fees, on the same day we will switch to them.

I always say I do prefer 0.1% of everything rather than 100% of nothing.

Everything that evolves porn are "tabu, high risk". We are here to help, we want to make this share of market grow. We want what is the best for game developers to have the oportunity to make their work. Porn industry today is very profitable. I'm pretty sure that on patreon, porn game developers would receive higher pledges if the content could be shown freely.

The fact that you have to pay a buck to see somethjng that you could not like is frustrating for the backer.

What I say for all game developers that have their pages lost on patreon and will be hard to change the game, begin your campaign with us. We don't want exclusively. You can do campaigns on any other place too. But like I said before. is better you get something rather than nothing.

 

[Aeilion]

I think you're going to work realy hard for your project przewodo. Because its an adult patreon, that means just adult content.
Patreon is very good for creators, all creators except adult content with banned content. And i don't think creators out of this banned content are going for you...
But creators with banned content can think about others things like lewd patcher, its time consuming to make patches but for me at least the choice is easy.
Going on patreon with patches or going for your site with issues on low pledge, no garanties that you don't end when i'm on my patch 0.5 or something, people with fear of pledging on a new site etc...
I like the idea of an alternative for creators with banned content but i think going for just adult content its a bad idea.
You have the structure for a copy of patreon, but you need to make a good base of clients to start and restricting you a lot like that its not a good choice i think.

(Sorry for my bad english)

 

[przewodo]

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I think you're going to work realy hard for your project przewodo. Because its an adult patreon, that means just adult content.
Patreon is very good for creators, all creators except adult content with banned content. And i don't think creators out of this banned content are going for you...
But creators with banned content can think about others things like lewd patcher, its time consuming to make patches but for me at least the choice is easy.
Going on patreon with patches or going for your site with issues on low pledge, no garanties that you don't end when i'm on my patch 0.5 or something, people with fear of pledging on a new site etc...
I like the idea of an alternative for creators with banned content but i think going for just adult content its a bad idea.
You have the structure for a copy of patreon, but you need to make a good base of clients to start and restricting you a lot like that its not a good choice i think.

(Sorry for my bad english)

If you had seen our website, because the porn we need to put that message on the beginning and becsuse of the porn the fees are high.

But our website are not only for porn games. Are for anyone who wants to create games, comics and books. Everyone are welcome. the problem is that we can't compete with patreon fees with regular content and we can't have fees for separated business. the payment brooker does not allow.

About our website ends, it does not cost so much that we can't afford, and whe it became expensive will be because a lot of creators and backers will be using it, so there is no reason to end it.

 

[Nicolas Flamel]

Been trying to find info about this:

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Looks interesting so far.

From the MakerSupport TOS (*cough* sorry, "Community Guidelines" *cough*):

"A limited subset of adult content is permitted, while the vast majority of adult content is not permitted. The following content is not permitted in any case:

• Pornography:
  • Photos, videos, or audio including real people or depicted characters engaging in sexual acts"

(Please note that "depicted characters" would include ... oh, just about any possible method of illustration including renders, drawings, cartoons, stick figures ...)

 

[przewodo]

From the MakerSupport TOS (*cough* sorry, "Community Guidelines" *cough*):

"A limited subset of adult content is permitted, while the vast majority of adult content is not permitted. The following content is not permitted in any case:

• Pornography:
  • Photos, videos, or audio including real people or depicted characters engaging in sexual acts"

(Please note that "depicted characters" would include ... oh, just about any possible method of illustration including renders, drawings, cartoons, stick figures ...)

If they say that is almost like Pinterest. You can put some image containing sexual content but not real porn.

 

[Archast]

Hey @przewodo are you the one behind adultpledge? If that's the case would you mind some questions via PM?

 

[przewodo]

Hey @przewodo are you the one behind adultpledge? If that's the case would you mind some questions via PM?

Yes, I am the owner of AdultPledge.com.. Send me a PM

 

[gamersglory]

There's more to what you have to do then somehow finding the unicorn that would be an adult payment processor that charges low fees a lot of international legal compliance too. Also, anyone that makes a site like that would need to turn a profit too so 10% cut is low with all the overhead involved too

 

[gamersglory]

Guys.. I did the math.. it is possible to use Payza and the creator gets 80% of income and we take 20%, but will not possible to use pledges under $5.00. What do you think?

Yah good luck convincing devs that there is a reason why you take 20% and not 10% most devs I've to talk to would say no deal to that. Not that I should be giving you advice since your a potential competitor of mine.

 

[DSSAlex]

One of the big problems with starting a Patreon alternative site is that without trust or brand recognition it's going to be hard to attract users, and without users good luck attracting devs. As a dev I could actually deal with 25-30% fees if I knew I wasn't going to be molested and I could more effectively advertise my content but if it's obvious there's no pie for me to get a slice of I'm not going to waste the effort.

I have a few ideas in the back of my mind about how to mitigate these things. I don't have the time or the inclination to start my own Patreon-alike, so so I'm just going to post it and let any of the various people working on sites along these lines mine the ideas if they like. To have any chance at all of success you'll need to attract one of the big players, so either MrDots, Dark Silver or Dark Cookie. Even with the shit they've been through they're probably reluctant to leave Patreon because it's a known quantity, so you'll need solid financials and infrastructure to show them you're legit. You'd also need to offer them something more, like a cut of the company or at least a chunk of your net profit.

I would also probably do an affiliate program with all of those porno game blogs, SVS Comics, NTX, et al. That gives them a reason to push your site and help it grow.

 

[gamersglory]

One of the big problems with starting a Patreon alternative site is that without trust or brand recognition it's going to be hard to attract users, and without users good luck attracting devs. As a dev I could actually deal with 25-30% fees if I knew I wasn't going to be molested and I could more effectively advertise my content but if it's obvious there's no pie for me to get a slice of I'm not going to waste the effort.

I have a few ideas in the back of my mind about how to mitigate these things. I don't have the time or the inclination to start my own Patreon-alike, so so I'm just going to post it and let any of the various people working on sites along these lines mine the ideas if they like. To have any chance at all of success you'll need to attract one of the big players, so either MrDots, Dark Silver or Dark Cookie. Even with the shit they've been through they're probably reluctant to leave Patreon because it's a known quantity, so you'll need solid financials and infrastructure to show them you're legit. You'd also need to offer them something more, like a cut of the company or at least a chunk of your net profit.

I would also probably do an affiliate program with all of those porno game blogs, SVS Comics, NTX, et al. That gives them a reason to push your site and help it grow.

I'm well aware of that myself. This is my opinion But if for some reason I had to take a 25 to 30% cut to keep things going I would find a way to at least absorb the TX fees. Unfortunately, it looks more and more like Because of adult content that high TX fees will be necessary as of the high-risk nature of adult content

 

[Ghostman95]

Well boys it looks like where fucked without any recourse financially and we just have to sit there and take it like little bitches. Guess it's back to fapping to vanilla porn again...ugh

 

[gamersglory]

Still looking at many different options. The High TX fees looking at different ways to do things. Trying to raise funds to set everything up there is a bit of legal work and website building that needs to be done.

 

[DawnCry]

Sigh, look I'm gonna give a bit of feedback because you truly need it.

While you are focusing a lot on payment proccessing you are losing the marketing one.

Don't take me wrong it's important the payment proccess, however let me ask you a question, what exactly are you offering to a current creator on patreon?.

The only difference is that you are letting them have incest, mind control and many other fetishes banned by patreon, however if you think that it is enough you aren't gonna make it.

The thing is that most creators have the following choice, become a creator of patreon while having a few limits on fetishes but having a big public, or go to your page that is completely unknown and insecure while having that freedom. I would say no one would risk it.

What you have to do is to attract creators at all cost, especially those that are from patreon and have been fcked by it. To do that a good way would be to tell the creator "If you join us you will receive more money from your supporters for three months because we won't take the adult pledge fee for that time".

This is called an incentive, after three months the creator would start to pay the fee as normal. With policies like this you will attract more people who will take the risk that you are with a new page.

Another important point is advertising, you should immediately contact pages like lewdgamer to write an article selling you as the response to the patreon politics change, contact youtubers of adult content to talk about your page and try to give as many guarantees as possible so people will feel safe.

Then on another point you need to write on all adult forums related to games to earn even more advertising, it is important to be active on the forum and talk with people. That's why usually you need a public manager or public relations because those things consume a lot of time.

Next is about the name of your site, it sucks HARD. This is because it will be incredibly hard for you to gain a good SEO or better said search engine optimization. You won't have a good visibility with the name adult pledge, you need to create a proper name, one easy to remember and that if you try to find it on the internet won't give you non related stuff for free. It is better to have one new word to call yourself rather than normal words. It isn't like it will be impossible with adult pledge however it will be much harder.

Finally just try to think about useful things that would be great to add because it would be useful for both creators and supporters, this is just a tiny guide about marketing.

 

[Rando Civ]

"If you join us you will receive more money from your supporters for three months because we won't take the adult pledge fee for that time"

This is a great idea.
Your entire post make me wish I knew if you work in publicity or marketing of any sort. Because mate, I would hire you.

 

[DawnCry]

This is a great idea.
Your entire post make me wish I knew if you work in publicity or marketing of any sort. Because mate, I would hire you.

Studied marketing and finances, but ironically what I have always like the most is contability.

 

[gamersglory]

Don't take me wrong it's important the payment proccess, however, let me ask you a question, what exactly are you offering to a current creator on patreon?.

The only difference is that you are letting them have incest, mind control and many other fetishes banned by patreon, however, if you think that it is enough you aren't gonna make it.

I admit it would be good to hire someone like you for Marketing. However when operating with a small team and trying to raise the money to start such a site and look at everything that needs to be in place before you even soft launch are expensive. The legal itself is not so clear-cut plus and The payment processing you get is just as important. You can't get any payment processing because of the Adult content most will not want you. even less when you talk about Incest and Hardcore stuff. There are plans for incentives and other things that we will offer far and above what Patreon offers and It's not hard to top what they offer. With them, you get a page and them taking 10% that's it. Mind you our site will not be limited to just adult games. But will leave it at that for now.

 

[xןʞ]

That....sounds like a bad idea.

Don't think for a second you aren't gonna get drug dealers and child sex traffickers signing up if you just open it up to "all types of adult content" all willy nilly.

An adult patreon is gonna need a hell of a lot more moderation and oversight than a regular SFW one if you stop and think about it, because it'll take about a total of 20 minutes before it is overrun with ********** and thats gonna be on you in the eyes of the courts.

 

[gamersglory]

That....sounds like a bad idea.

Don't think for a second you aren't gonna get drug dealers and child sex traffickers signing up if you just open it up to "all types of adult content" all willy nilly.

An adult patreon is gonna need a hell of a lot more moderation and oversight than a regular SFW one if you stop and think about it, because it'll take about a total of 20 minutes before it is overrun with ********** and thats gonna be on you in the eyes of the courts.

Did I say I was going to open it up for everything no. There will be sensible boundary's. Never Said I would allow Drug dealers or Sex traffickers and No ********** either. Would have thought that was a given. I'm talking about fiction based content with those things listed above as the Instant bannable exceptions. Real content would also apply to those above. The site will apply to US laws which is a bit stricter than most and I'm well aware of legal restrictions. Our lawyer and his office will make sure we are compliant with the laws that we need to be.

 

[DawnCry]

I admit it would be good to hire someone like you for Marketing. However when operating with a small team and trying to raise the money to start such a site and look at everything that needs to be in place before you even soft launch are expensive. The legal itself is not so clear-cut plus and The payment processing you get is just as important. You can't get any payment processing because of the Adult content most will not want you. even less when you talk about Incest and Hardcore stuff. There are plans for incentives and other things that we will offer far and above what Patreon offers and It's not hard to top what they offer. With them, you get a page and them taking 10% that's it. Mind you our site will not be limited to just adult games. But will leave it at that for now.

Don't worry I just gave a tiny list of recommendations to help a bit, and I said already that I consider payment proccessing important.

But the important part is that you always think about what a creator needs and if they would risk it with you. If you obtain a maybe then you are on the good way, if it's a yes then perfect.

Just gave a bit of feedback to help and well I kind of hope that the page succeed.