There are a lot of variables true. How was it people trusted a no-name company like Patreon. I had never heard of it tell 6 months ago. As for the non-money and site-building issues I have pretty much researched all of it.
Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games
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They're been around for a lot longer than that (2013 or 14), if you're a developer wanting to enter the market, you should research the industry.
As was the times of the crowd funding craze a few years back, any seemingly reputable sources was jumped on and made into a success.
Regardless, without some established team in place to develop, promote and maintain a challenger to Patreon, it's going to be a tall order to turn into a success.
I always thought that F95 was the perfect breading ground for such a team to be established, or even for the existing F95 staff to persue themselves. But still, easier said than done.
I always thought that F95 was the perfect breading ground for such a team to be established, or even for the existing F95 staff to persue themselves. But still, easier said than done.
Well, Would not call Patron a success compared to Kickstarter and IndieGoGo. With Patreon it was more right place right time. The things that make them work can easily be replicated and there is a ton of room to make an improved alternative platform. I mean what does a dev get for there 10% taken out of every pledge. one page on a generic looking site. That's It?
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Do you have any sources for that? There doesn't appear to be any dip for the majority of creators, if anything things have been increasing over the last few months. Perhaps there are other explanations for what you're seeing for certain creators.
There are no viable alternatives at the moment.
Also I'm merging this with the other patreon thread.
Again, research.
Patreon, a small company, made $7.5 million revenue last year. Considering they're 4 years old. I would call that a success. Sure, the adult guidelines and the new fees are fucking them up. Things have been good up until now.
Patreon, a small company, made $7.5 million revenue last year. Considering they're 4 years old. I would call that a success. Sure, the adult guidelines and the new fees are fucking them up. Things have been good up until now.
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First is how well patreon is known. Money issue aside, without proper promotion you won't get the same thing that patreon offers. You have to not only move devs to a new platform, you also need to move supporters.
While patreon is shit, this is where people are.
It's exactly the same issue with youtube, fb, twitter and many others. While some alternatives exist/can be done, that's where majority of people are. So if you want to get as many people as possible, you have to go there.
Now, here comes the issue of money. You need to transfer it, which company will you ask that will agree and won't pressure you? Paypal? Because it's the biggest known and they hate nsfw.
While patreon is shit, this is where people are.
It's exactly the same issue with youtube, fb, twitter and many others. While some alternatives exist/can be done, that's where majority of people are. So if you want to get as many people as possible, you have to go there.
Now, here comes the issue of money. You need to transfer it, which company will you ask that will agree and won't pressure you? Paypal? Because it's the biggest known and they hate nsfw.
I'm talking about the adult content subset not all of patreon. I talk to quite a few devs who are not happy with the drop in adult revenue
The point is that Patreon is a generic crowd funding network. Meaning it has a wide user base. So attracting people to your specific genre is easy, because the large user base is already there.
Also, just saying "not happy with the drop in adult revenue" is meaningless unless you have month by month earnings reports for these devs, and can directly correlate dips in earnings with changes in Patreon policy.
Roads are always bumpy and people find ways to adapt and recover. While yes, I agree that an alternative to Patreon is needed and would be amazing. The run for the hills attitude isn't productive.
You can always work directly with a banking institution to route money where it needs to go. I've talked to a few. but can't name names needless to say their name would not be tied to the site itself though because of PR backlash. But they work for other adult related companies.
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Care to name some names? As I said, just because a few creators have had their revenue decrease, doesn't mean that its because of the Patreon crackdown, there can be other reasons. Correlation does not imply causation.
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Most patreon pages I see are just short description of the game with a bunch of posts behind a paywall. The patreon really isn't a promotion page. The forums do all of the promoting and people just click a direct link to the place where they can pay for it.
i don't see why another site wouldn't work the same way, as long as the system itself is stable and trustworthy. The most important thing is simply to have a mechanism to move funds conveniently.
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month by month earnings reports for these devs are on this site
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Those are the die-hard incest fans who think that by removing their pledge will make the devs change their minds and risk a permanent ban to please a small minority.
Besides, it's the first days of the month. This always happens (Patreon has to deal with a lot of fraud and fake accounts, especially in the adult niche. Some people have their CC expired, etc.) and the numbers pick up by the second week of the month. I think it's too soon to jump into any conclusion.
Devs I know i can name Ptolemy, Dark Silver bigtime. Mr. Dots most of it was dropping the incest content.
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I know about Graphtreon, after checking a few big names:
Increasing: DarkCookie, Lewdlab, Faerin, Luxee, Palmer, T4boo, Mity, GumdropGames
Stable: KST, Beggar of Net
Dropping: Mrdots and darksilver, after 'abandoning' their games - no shit
I'm failing to see the max exodus of patrons and revenue you're describing.
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Ptolemy is probably dropping because he's just finished his biggest game (and the announcement of always online DRM which doesn't often go over too well either).
Darkcookie had a pretty big drop after the incest content was edited out
My stance is more on The censorship of content and how the censorship has hurt them in particular
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That's the first of the month drop, which is usual for most games, especially those with charge upfront disabled.
He's up +400 patrons/+$1,370 in the past month, a rise of over 5%, and that's since the incest removal announcement.