Alternatives to Patreon - Maybe for Adult games

[greyknight]

I'm old enough to remember when Paypal was considered high risk and they had to offer an interest rate higher than banks to get people to open accounts with them. I see your point though. Business is about safety and stability first. This is such a crappy situation but maybe Patreon will be happy with the appearance of propriety and this will all blow over with developers being more circumspect and less blatant.

 

[pcg50]

So basically it has be based in a third world country with no Anti porn laws , or at least specifically against stuff banned from Patreon

 

[Ignazzio]

So basically it has be based in a third world country with no Anti porn laws , or at least specifically against stuff banned from Patreon

Sounds like Russia. But I doubt they'd be able to convince Paypal to support them if they were there

 

[Deleted member 50069]

I think patreon is just easiest to use, thats why its most(?) popular.

 

[Armorer]

My understanding is a lot of credit cards have regulations regarding the use of their payments of illegal activities. Patron went into spasms because they thought their credit card processors were going to cut them off.

 

[gamersglory]

There is nothing in US law that makes Fictional Incest stories illegal it's just that patreon has a moral problem with it.

 

[SueetMonn]

Hm, this is a really interesting situation. As someone just starting out, I had always considered Patreon to be a give-in if I ever decided to try and monetize my art. Ideally, they'll feel the pressure from the community and revert to their old rules. If that doesn't happen, however, people will definitely have to start getting creative in order to find a solution.

 

[gamersglory]

My understanding is a lot of credit cards have regulations regarding the use of their payments for illegal activities. Patron went into spasms because they thought their credit card processors were going to cut them off.

There are legal ways around Visa and Mastercards T&C that would allow a business to take CC's but there are more costs involved as in 15 to 20 Percent more. If I were to launch a site I would use more creative and legal ways to deal with it

 

[Armorer]

There are legal ways around Visa and Mastercards T&C that would allow a business to take CC's but there are more costs involved as in 15 to 20 Percent more. If I were to launch a site I would use more creative and legal ways to deal with it

Yes but they saw a possible drop in revenue I think and came down on these sites. I am surprised they did it the way they did. Just browsing Patreon it looks like adult content producers have a lot of money flowing in for a very few actual patreons. I would love to see a breakdown of their top 100 or 1000 producers (how much, how many patreons, what kind of content)(anyone have a data source?). I would expected a serious warning letter and good instructions on how to avoid the ban hammer as opposed to just turning them off with a nasty note. After all they are revenue. I suspect their ban hammer was directed for cause by a outside party at specific producers. Then they had to look mean.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I would love to see a breakdown of their top 100 or 1000 producers (how much, how many patreons, what kind of content)(anyone have a data source?).

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is what you're looking for.
Things can have changed since I looked, but at this time there were 287 creators of adult content in the top 1000, representing around $700 000 annual benefit for Patreon (since all don't display how they earn, it's an estimation), over the $7.5 millions they expect. More or less 100 of these creators where related to an adult game.

Now that this is said, can someone tell me what the fuck happened three days ago ?
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for facebook likes and youtube subscribers are really weirds. I mean, they aren't like the pledge, which adjust themselves at the start of the month. These graphs are constants and not related to the fact that some people where just scammers who can't pay.
The total number of like for all the facebook campaigns was around 1.2 million the 2 november, and near 500 000 the 3 november. Same for the youtube channels, around 800 000 subscribers who disappeared in a night...
Really feel like Patreon, or facebook and youtube, silently kicked some people out :/ And I have real difficulty to imagine facebook and youtube taking action against some content at the exact same time.
So, someone know, or at least know where we can find more informations ?

Edit: Obviously, don't start to freak out. If games were involved, we would already knew it.

 

[SueetMonn]

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The total number of like for all the facebook campaigns was around 1.2 million the 2 november, and near 500 000 the 3 november. Same for the youtube channels, around 800 000 subscribers who disappeared in a night...
Really feel like Patreon, or facebook and youtube, silently kicked some people out :/ And I have real difficulty to imagine facebook and youtube taking action against some content at the exact same time.
So, someone know, or at least know where we can find more informations ?

Edit: Obviously, don't start to freak out. If games were involved, we would already knew it.

Holy smokes, that is really strange. I wonder what the implications of these sudden drops are. That is a pretty substantial drop.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Now that this is said, can someone tell me what the fuck happened three days ago ?

Alright, my bad... They must have changed something since the last time I looked at the graphs (or I didn't noticed it at this time). In fact it's always like this. The last day always have this drop in the number of facebook likes and youtube subscribers.

 

[Armorer]

Alright, my bad... They must have changed something since the last time I looked at the graphs (or I didn't noticed it at this time). In fact it's always like this. The last day always have this drop in the number of facebook likes and youtube subscribers.

End of month calculation error then? Or just because it was a partial week of calculating by weekly stats? Sunday, Monday, Tuesday last couple days of October. So weekly end of month figures messed up?

So it looks like about 10% of total income is from adult creators in just the top 1000. So Patreon saw the possibility of major income drop maybe? I need to scan that data... thank you for the link. My Google-fu is weak

 

[anne O'nymous]

End of month calculation error then? Or just because it was a partial week of calculating by weekly stats? Sunday, Monday, Tuesday last couple days of October. So weekly end of month figures messed up?

Don't really know, it's a strange behavior. It look like the graphs have only partial data for the last day they display. I know that it take times to compute every thing and that the site is surely not on the same time zone than me. But we are already the 6 here, and the graphs still end the 4 with partials data. And when the graphs will update, then the drop will seem to have happen the 5.
It's not a big deal by itself, but like it works great for twitter, it's really weird to see it when you don't know about the problem.

 

[greyknight]

It could just be a half day or full day delay in the data being available. Sometimes the reporting of data is partially a human process and the bean counters need time to do their work and upload their data in the reporting tool. I used to be one of those bean counters in a large company.

 

[Bawdy Ink Slinger]

I notice patreon has an Api and is an oauth provider. I think that means what you could do is direct people to ur website, have them login with their patreon account, and then give them appropriate rewards depending on how they've pledged to ur campaign.

From ur site you could link back to ur campaign, but not vice versa. U know, "if u wanna download the game, pledge $5 here"

Basically, leverage patreon as a payment and account registration service, but u don't use it as a form of marketing or content distribution. That'd be done entirely on ur site.

As I type this it seems convoluted, which is almost always a bad thing. Still, thoughts?

 

[gamersglory]

Youtube has purposely undercounted subscribers and views before to get out of paying video creators. As for Facebook they are going and taking out fake accounts created by Russians to spew fake news. Oh and yesterday a major internet outage in the US.

 

[dogk22]

There is nothing in US law that makes Fictional Incest stories illegal it's just that patreon has a moral problem with it.

Not only that. There's a lot of adult content in the US about incest porn....

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for example.

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So you can say "but the actors are not related in real life", exactly, they are creating fiction, exactly what VN adult games are creating with incest content.... they are pure fictional. Just stupid if you think.

 

[loqex]

So you can say "but the actors are not related in real life", exactly, they are creating fiction, exactly what VN adult games are creating with incest content.... they are pure fictional. Just stupid if you think.

Because Patreon isn't an Adult Only XXX site, public perception and being politically correct is paramount to their business.

Just think if there were "reviews" and news clips of Amazon selling graphical "fictional" mind controlling incest doggy porn. Amazon would instantly drop/ban all those products. There would be virtual riots and everything that goes with it. Patreon is reacting similarly... knee jerk reaction without actually thinking it through and/or alternatives.

Then again, all this could be a moot point depending on the law of the land for Patreon... Or Patreon just doesn't want to deal with all the headaches of various SJW's.

 

[dogk22]

Because Patreon isn't an Adult Only XXX site, public perception and being politically correct is paramount to their business.

Just think if there were "reviews" and news clips of Amazon selling graphical "fictional" mind controlling incest doggy porn. Amazon would instantly drop/ban all those products. There would be virtual riots and everything that goes with it. Patreon is reacting similarly... knee jerk reaction without actually thinking it through and/or alternatives.

Then again, all this could be a moot point depending on the law of the land for Patreon... Or Patreon just doesn't want to deal with all the headaches of various SJW's.

But Patreon is not Amazon. "Adult content" is allowed.

You cannot:

• Create any content or reward with nudity, or realistic depictions of sexual or violent acts, unless you flag the page as Adult Content and make the posts only viewable by patrons.

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