VN Ren'Py Angel & Demon [v0.3] [Saint]

[CutieLvr]

Some people want lesbian content, so I'll see if I can create a female character with small/flat breasts who could potentially be a lesbian love interest for Veronica. If you know Naughty Lyanna game, I'm thinking of a character who looks like Diana (but a little less childlike) with more or less the same personality.

The problem with flat chests is how to avoid making a character who looks like a child



Arf, sorry about that.

I haven't tested it with an old save. Could you share the error renpy displays ?



By design it's not possible (she's in a relationship with a man). But I'll see if I can manage to add a corrupted path where Veronica can become more curious about women.

The only problem with this is that it adds even more content to develop, and at this rate I'll never be able to finish the game.



In my case, the intro only took a month to produce (from the moment I had the idea one morning to the day it was released).

v0.2 took 2 months. v0.3 took 3 months.

I don't like spending so much time between each version, but at the same time I can't make it any shorter because the content already seems low in quantity, particularly as there are "2" routes to develop. If you only play one route, the new content inevitably seems smaller than in the intro.



I don't quite remember how the idea of the angel and the demoness came into my head.

I think it's because as soon as there was a resurection, the game inevitably lost its “realistic” feel. So making it supernatural didn't seem too far-fetched. I'm still trying to figure out how not to involve them too much without making them unnecessary.

From my point of view and in the context between Veronica and Nathan, the handjob (demonic) should be seen as a choice bringing change to their sexual relationship, whereas the choice of (pure) sex is the choice keeping things the way they've always been.
Like :

• demonic choice = add new things to Veronica sexual life
• pure choice = keep Veronica's sex life as it is and, from time to time, try something new (slowly).

Physically he could have made a good MC, I agree. But a complete story about him would have been hard to do for the 3D part.



It's not my main job, I devote as much free time as I can to it, but I'm not a magician, unfortunately.

Be a little more patient, come back in a couple of updates and I'm sure you'll like it.



If you follow the corrupted route of Maria, the incest will disappear (they'll never fuck). The “complete” incest between Maria and Antonio will be for the pure route only.



It'll start to get interesting with the next update.

That would be awesome. If you make her a redhead, I'm a fan for life. Now, because of her small or no tits. She can make it a point to people to stop referring to her as a kid, that she is 18 or whatever. There are a lot of girls who have this issue in real life. Some girls are bothered by it and some are not.

 

[Demnor]

Some people want lesbian content, so I'll see if I can create a female character with small/flat breasts who could potentially be a lesbian love interest for Veronica. If you know Naughty Lyanna game, I'm thinking of a character who looks like Diana (but a little less childlike) with more or less the same personality.

The problem with flat chests is how to avoid making a character who looks like a child

Hmm, if you go this route I do recommend some pussy hair., and a more mature looking modell. I am not a fan of the lolli-models but small tits are not unheard of in todays world. There are plenty of girls/women who are 20+ and have small breasts.

Even though I personally prefer larger natural breasts it is nice to add variety in a game. I'll add some examples, none of these girls read/seem underaged to me.

Spoiler: Examples - NSFW

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[Darthcrop]

Are saves broken?

 

[Filipis]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you're not going back to the type of content and tonality that the intro had, then?

No, they will not. Any future interracial content will be consensual, with minimal race-play (depending on the path, like Sarah & Veronica on the Corruption path) & maybe even romantic (depending on the path, like Sarah & Mason on the Pure route).

 

[robin312]

Let's be real tho no one wants the pure path the corruption route is much more fun!

That’s because the pure path in such games doesn’t have content

why not to make it to romantic path ? FMC has a decent guy, not a dweeb like here

it would require some good writing and scene building, but you may basically decide, does your fmc want to build a relationship or use every one to build a career for example. Or she is an horny slut. This is the reason we should have a single protagonist

And this game… I can’t understand what it wants to achieve

 

[Filipis]

That’s because the pure path in such games doesn’t have content

why not to make it to romantic path ? FMC has a decent guy, not a dweeb like here

it would require some good writing and scene building, but you may basically decide, does your fmc want to build a relationship or use every one to build a career for example. Or she is an horny slut. This is the reason we should have a single protagonist

And this game… I can’t understand what it wants to achieve

I agree that, in order for the Pure route (Vanilla content) to be compelling, the boyfriend shouldn't have a pencil dick and look like Dr. Disrespect without the muscles. This is a game about fulfilling fantasies, why would you give Veronica a "realistic" penis that is below average? SMH.

But this game is telling a story about Veronica and her family, and how her decisions can & will influence the fate of all her loved ones. 0.3 gave us insight into bits of happenings of her family members, but they don't get to make any decisions that alter the story going forward - that right is reserved for Veronica (the player) alone. If you are complaining that the developer dared to make scenes that involved Veronica, then you are in for a bad surprise: these scenes are necessary to show exactly how Veronica's "advice" influences events, and they are welcome additions.

I don't understand why you feel this game has no direction, when clearly, Veronica is the only one that gets to make choices.

 

[atrebor68]

CHEATING and PREGNANCY ?????????
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I'M IN !!!

 

[quiboune]

No, they will not. Any future interracial content will be consensual, with minimal race-play (depending on the path, like Sarah & Veronica on the Corruption path) & maybe even romantic (depending on the path, like Sarah & Mason on the Pure route).

Maybe this is just me being in denial because that sounds boring as fuck, but you're not the Dev, right? Did they say that somewhere? Can you point it out?

 

[Saint_RNG]

Now, see, this is just adding more confusion to the issue at hand. Because, as I understand it, you talked about these paths before, and one of your recurring points was that the paths won't be "locked in" until further into the story - but now you are stating that players can keep Maria & Antonio purely on the corrupted path throughout the entire game, yet still get the "wholesome" Pure route ending... by making a singular choice at the very end?
Is this a response to my feedback, or something that will be possible for all characters & their storylines?

This is specific to Maria and Antonio. Veronica's initial choices concerning them both involve incest. The difference is that the pure choices take a romantic approach, while the corrupted ones focus purely on sexual matters. Arriving at Veronica's final choice for these two characters, the pure choice (which unlocks the pure road/ending) will result in Antonio and Maria becoming a couple (with their first time). The corrupt choice will only be possible if Veronica's karma is low enough and a certain corrupt choice (concerning Maria) has been made earlier.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you're not going back to the type of content and tonality that the intro had, then?

A possible end to the corrupted road may come close to this.

This game seems like have multiple protagonists and that means fewer scenes for each of them and extremely slow progression

Also all this stuff with angel and demon is just meh.. Why do we need it? Is it a mystical VN or what? Protagonist can make such decision without angel/demon

So, it's not what I expected at all. It's like completely different game after these 2 updates

For me, it's essential to see other characters' points of view. It helps to understand why this or that character changes according to the choices made during discussions with Veronica. If it wasn't shown, it would seem odd to me. Plus I think it adds a bit of variety, because as much as I like Veronica, I like to see different body types and fetishes (which wouldn't particularly be applicable to Veronica).

Are saves broken?

You're not the first to point this out. Could you provide me with a screenshot of the error that appears when you try to open a save that doesn't work?

 

[Saint_RNG]

Maybe this is just me being in denial because that sounds boring as fuck, but you're not the Dev, right? Did they say that somewhere? Can you point it out?

Most of the scenes with Sarah will be interracial. But as it's for porn video shoots, there's an acting context that allows this fetish to be exploited or not. The rest of the time, the “interracial” won't be especially shown as a fetish. For example, in one of the possible endings where Veronica becomes a street whore, she'll sometimes suck or get fucked by a black character, but the racial aspect of the thing won't be especially emphasized: she sucks or gets fucked by him because he pays her to, not because he's black.

Only one ending will exploit this fetish
Veronica is interested in porn and starts doing it through Sarah. She may end up like her, shooting only interracial scenes and doing the same kind of scene involving getting pregnant.

 

[catgameryt011]

First of all I would like to express my most sincere congratulations to the dev for the update he gave us, I was fascinated by what awaits us for the next update, I liked the tremendous focus on veronica and maria, on the part of maria the insecurity and fidelity, and veronica about her insecurities and talking about sexuality issues with her father, uff the part of father Joseph using his influence to corrupt maria or am i wrong, whatever the intentions are whether they are good or bad, and how this influence could influence veronica, how maria could open up to veronica to talk about sexuality with father Joseph because maybe she feels more comfortable than talking to her father, uffffff great dev, he deserves my respect.

 

[Saint_RNG]

First of all I would like to express my most sincere congratulations to the dev for the update he gave us, I was fascinated by what awaits us for the next update, I liked the tremendous focus on veronica and maria, on the part of maria the insecurity and fidelity, and veronica about her insecurities and talking about sexuality issues with her father, uff the part of father Joseph using his influence to corrupt maria or am i wrong, whatever the intentions are whether they are good or bad, and how this influence could influence veronica, how maria could open up to veronica to talk about sexuality with father Joseph because maybe she feels more comfortable than talking to her father, uffffff great dev, he deserves my respect.

Thanks

I think you got the names wrong, confusing Helena with Maria. But we got the idea, haha.

 

[Filipis]

Most of the scenes with Sarah will be interracial. But as it's for porn video shoots, there's an acting context that allows this fetish to be exploited or not. The rest of the time, the “interracial” won't be especially shown as a fetish. For example, in one of the possible endings where Veronica becomes a street whore, she'll sometimes suck or get fucked by a black character, but the racial aspect of the thing won't be especially emphasized: she sucks or gets fucked by him because he pays her to, not because he's black.

Only one ending will exploit this fetish
Veronica is interested in porn and starts doing it through Sarah. She may end up like her, shooting only interracial scenes and doing the same kind of scene involving getting pregnant.

One thing that would be completely amazing (for me) is the possibility of Veronica having a "happy" ending on the Corruption path, where she dumps Nathan and gets with a black guy, like Sarah. Seeing Lorenzo's face in that moment would be priceless...

 

[catgameryt011]

One thing that would be completely amazing (for me) is the possibility of Veronica having a "happy" ending on the Corruption path, where she dumps Nathan and gets with a black guy, like Sarah. Seeing Lorenzo's face in that moment would be priceless...

 

[catgameryt011]

Thanks

I think you got the names wrong, confusing Helena with Maria. But we got the idea, haha.

Be careful with that: we have the idea, we are on the right track.
I already see myself as a Chinese investing in Peru.

 

[J0K3RXXX]

Promising.

 

[Geigi]

Wow, I can't believe game developers nowadays think of watching porn as a kind of "corruption."

 

[Saint_RNG]

That would be awesome. If you make her a redhead, I'm a fan for life. Now, because of her small or no tits. She can make it a point to people to stop referring to her as a kid, that she is 18 or whatever. There are a lot of girls who have this issue in real life. Some girls are bothered by it and some are not.

This game is indeed lacking a redhead. So if on top of that she has small breasts and is a lesbian :

One thing that would be completely amazing (for me) is the possibility of Veronica having a "happy" ending on the Corruption path, where she dumps Nathan and gets with a black guy, like Sarah. Seeing Lorenzo's face in that moment would be priceless...

There will be a happy ending for the corrupted road where she has a new boyfriend, but he won't be black (I already have the 3d model for him).

 

[Timodjin]

Like this a lot. The chars are not perfect and that makes this so much more realistic. And pubes......keep it coming.

 

[robin312]

It helps to understand why this or that character changes according to the choices made during discussions with Veronica. If it wasn't shown, it would seem odd to me.

It’s odd for me as well, but the issue is how you are trying to show it. In your vision you make it from start to finish, the whole process. It’s not how it works in real life. In real life you can see only result.

yes, I understand that this is VN, not real live, but the way how you show it in VN ( from start to finish) is actually a definition of multiple protagonists VN