VN Ren'Py Anna Exciting Affection [Ch.2 Ep.18] [DeepSleep]

[Zara Scarlet]

What about perfect housewife?I mean the game's dev was working pretty hard and yes his animations have been improved since the launch
And well Yeah he's doing it on SOLO basis whereas here DeepSleep has someone

I'm not saying don't take time to make perfect animations but there are some devs putting lot of effort these days to make sure they aren't milking patrons and releasing pretty close to estimates they give

We need to give room to these actual hard working devs because they are the ones taking efforts to build renpy/adult based gaming community

I can't comment on The Perfect Housewife cos I don't play it. But as I indicated, it's not just the animations that the Devs are currently having to deal with. Admittedly some of those ongoing issues are of their own making because of errors made early in Chapter 2, but they still have to deal with them, and it's not helped by ridiculous conspiracy theories concocted by impatient players (any suggestion they are milking players is ludicrous).

Deciding to continue with the Sandbox version in the Renpy format, may not have been the best decision in hindsight, because they have had no end of problems with it, which might not be apparent to the average player, who are not following the process on Discord. If you're not privy to this information, you may not see the real troubles the Devs have been faced with. At one point Deepsleep was so depressed by at all, he was very nearly tempted to abandon the game. And surely none of us want that.

And that's why I always back them up, because people don't admit those kinds of private troubles, unless they're really genuine. If we all want to see the end of this game, sometime in the future, we all need to stop criticising the Devs for what are in the bigger scheme of things, merely minor delays. If the game could be released earlier it would be. Deep loves making this game, and he loves when people get pleasure from it. But making it has sometimes been a strain on his health. Lovers of this game should be doing everything in their power, to not make that worse.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

1. Nobody here ever said oh make some novel/side story(which wasn't even interesting)so that the actual game can be delayed/pushed further

2.Nobody likes those faster/slower animations and they can be removed completely to avoid delay in updates

3.Scenes could have been made with less random/new NPCs in background to have rendering animations easily which could help to release new updates easily

4.For example we have already seen a same heavy rendering animation scene which took on beach with Anna and new guys which could have been avoided if those few people around beaches wouldn't have been in scene

1) It's not about the people here, most of whom don't support the game. It's about the patrons, the people who actually pay for it, and make sure this game exists at all. These are the people who determine these things, and if you want to try and make things different, then you should put your money where your mouth is.

2) Unfortunately, that is incorrect. The majority of patrons do like them. I agree with you, I've never liked them. But amongst patrons, I'm in the minority.

3+4) Once again, the Devs rely on feedback they get from their patrons, who as a group are far more supportive of these kind of 'innovations'. A Dev's primary concern is to make his game, as appealing to his patrons as possible. So if the majority of them want something, then they'll try to accommodate that. Which may not coincide with the desires of the greater game community, most of whom play the game for free. And at this advanced stage of a game, there is little to be gained financially by taking into account the wishes of non-patrons.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

These are true. Especially no. 2, we don't want it.

Unfortunately, unless you're a patron, the Dev probably isn't listening to you. I know that might sound harsh. But it's just a fact of life. Devs listen more to their patrons. And the Devs who are active on this site and appear to be listening, are generally the ones who don't have a lot of patrons. Once you've established your own sizeable patron community, you spend less and less time on sites like this. It's at least 5 years since Deep last commented on this thread, and I'm not even sure if he even comes here anymore. My guess is, he maybe looks in, immediately after an update is released. But the rest of time, any comments directed at him, are probably not being seen.

 

[khantus]

Deciding to continue with the Sandbox version in the Renpy format, may not have been the best decision in hindsight, because they have had no end of problems with it, which might not be apparent to the average player, who are not following the process on Discord. If you're not privy to this information, you may not see the real troubles the Devs have been faced with. At one point Deepsleep was so depressed by at all, he was very nearly tempted to abandon the game. And surely none of us want that.

And that's why I always back them up, because people don't admit those kinds of private troubles, unless they're really genuine. If we all want to see the end of this game, sometime in the future, we all need to stop criticising the Devs for what are in the bigger scheme of things, merely minor delays. If the game could be released earlier it would be. Deep loves making this game, and he loves when people get pleasure from it. But making it has sometimes been a strain on his health. Lovers of this game should be doing everything in their power, to not make that worse.

What a disturbing fact, Anna is my favorite game and is the one I have supported the most on Patreon, so I would hate to see Deep stop releasing more Anna adventures. Sometimes we forget that a lot of the people who make these kinds of games are just hobbyists, that a lot of the things they learned were from YouTube tutorials or asking other people, and in many cases it's just one person making the game and we criticize them as if they were professionals or had a whole studio behind them. It doesn't bother me at all if a game I like is delayed, you have to remember that developers have a life outside of all this.

 

[doccop63]

I can't comment on The Perfect Housewife cos I don't play it. But as I indicated, it's not just the animations that the Devs are currently having to deal with. Admittedly some of those ongoing issues are of their own making because of errors made early in Chapter 2, but they still have to deal with them, and it's not helped by ridiculous conspiracy theories concocted by impatient players (any suggestion they are milking players is ludicrous).

Deciding to continue with the Sandbox version in the Renpy format, may not have been the best decision in hindsight, because they have had no end of problems with it, which might not be apparent to the average player, who are not following the process on Discord. If you're not privy to this information, you may not see the real troubles the Devs have been faced with. At one point Deepsleep was so depressed by at all, he was very nearly tempted to abandon the game. And surely none of us want that.

And that's why I always back them up, because people don't admit those kinds of private troubles, unless they're really genuine. If we all want to see the end of this game, sometime in the future, we all need to stop criticising the Devs for what are in the bigger scheme of things, merely minor delays. If the game could be released earlier it would be. Deep loves making this game, and he loves when people get pleasure from it. But making it has sometimes been a strain on his health. Lovers of this game should be doing everything in their power, to not make that worse.

Agreed but, as you may know, some people don't see it that way. Some people aint happy unless they're bitching. They can't help it because they're not mature enough to have patience. I'm not sure some can even spell it. I'm pretty sure that the ones bitching about an update timeline have Never even tried to create their own renders, let alone doing a game full of them.

 

[Lac]

[...], we all need to stop criticising the Devs for what are in the bigger scheme of things, merely minor delays.

I won't be intimidated by your superficial rose-colored ideology. Of course you can blabber around all want but don't tell other people to stop voicing their opinion.

 

[TheUberstuff]

I won't be indimidated by your superficial rose-colored ideology. Of course you can blabber around all want but don't tell other people to stop voicing their opinion.

Exactly, I find it tiresome that people tell other people to stop having their opinion while posting theirs. PEOPLE WILL POST WHAT THEY WANT, as long its not name calling or insulting directly to someone people need to stop trying to censor other people.

If someone posts about not criticizing the devs for any game I am just going to put them on ignore so I don't have to see their crap and I would suggest people who don't like to see the devs be criticized do the same.

So Zara that includes you.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I won't be indimidated by your superficial rose-colored ideology. Of course you can blabber around all want but don't tell other people to stop voicing their opinion.

Nobody is suggesting you or anybody else can't voice their opinions. But keeping up this relentless suggestion that the Dev is in some way scamming the players and there is some dodgy ulterior motive behind the delay, is not only false, but also utterly pointless, because the Dev is very likely not following this dialogue. Answer me this, if I know that you're wrong, because I'm getting my information right from the horse's mouth and not relying entirely on the fanciful theories some people are currently spouting on this thread, why would I not say so?

At the end of the day, the update has been delayed somewhat, and repeating the same tired conspiracy theories daily, is not going to make a blind bit of difference, beyond increasing the reaction scores of certain individuals, and boring the rest of us silly. The update will be released when it's ready, and hopefully that will be quite soon.

 

[Lac]

Zara Scarlet: i don't care if you have insider information or not. But for me it looks like you are are just a zealot defending every move of a dev.
I don't care about the delays themselves. But i care about development and i see none. As i stated before this dev finds every time some arbitrary hurdle to delay the release. So either he is the most unlucky person in the world or it is mere incompetence. In the latter case someone could try to learn form past experience and be more careful about announcing a release.

That is all my own personal observation. I also never stated any hidden agenda meaning milking about the delays on part of the dev. But i think these delays give a bad vibe and things could be handled much better.

Also you should probably read your own posts again and think about how they come across. When you write "we all need to stop..." that is literally meant to shut people up. So don't newspeak me.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Exactly, I find it tiresome that people tell other people to stop having their opinion while posting theirs. PEOPLE WILL POST WHAT THEY WANT, as long its not name calling or insulting directly to someone people need to stop trying to censor other people.

If someone posts about not criticizing the devs for any game I am just going to put them on ignore so I don't have to see their crap and I would suggest people who don't like to see the devs be criticized do the same.

So Zara that includes you.

I wasn't suggesting that people shouldn't criticise the Devs, only that they shouldn't criticise them unfairly. And when people start suggesting that the Devs of this game are milking the players, that's just plain stupid. This one update has taken a bit longer to finish, but all the other recent ones have taken the normal 2-3 months. So to claim otherwise, is just hysterical nonsense. Yes, the game has some issues, mainly because Awake made a huge booboo whilst implementing the phone function earlier in Chapter 2. But in his defence, he was new to coding, and people make mistakes when they're learning something new. This has caused a lot of problems for the Devs going forward, particularly with old saves, which a lot of the time don't work properly. And without starting again from scratch, there appears to be no easy solution to this issue, which the Devs have pretty much accepted they have to work around.

And for those interested, I have made multiple criticisms of this game, I just don't make them here. I make them where I know the Devs are actually listening. If you want your opinion to be heard by the Devs, then you need to go on Discord, or become a Patron and tell them on Patreon

 

[Lac]

I wasn't suggesting that people shouldn't criticise the Devs, only that they shouldn't criticise them unfairly. [...]
And for those interested, I have made multiple criticisms of this game, I just don't make them here. I make them where I know the Devs are actually listening. If you want your opinion to be heard by the Devs, then you need to go on Discord, or become a Patron and tell them on Patreon

Who will be the judge of this fairness? That's all personal preference and doesn't lead anywhere.

Also i am here and this is a great platform with many great people. I have very little interest and moreover time to divide myself on any more platforms.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Zara Scarlet: i don't care if you have insider information or not. But for me it looks like you are are just a zealot defending every move of a dev.
I don't care about the delays themselves. But i care about development and i see none. As i stated before this dev finds every time some arbitrary hurdle to delay the release. So either he is the most unlucky person in the world or it is mere incompetence. In the latter case someone could try to learn form past experience and be more careful about announcing a release.

That is all my own personal observation. I also never stated any hidden agenda meaning milking about the delays on part of the dev. But i think these delays give a bad vibe and things could be handled much better.

Also you should probably read your own posts again and think about how they come across. When you write "we all need to stop..." that is literally meant to shut people up. So don't newspeak me.

I'm a bit confused. You say you don't care about the 'delays', but then immediately contradict yourself by making the rest of the post about how much you hate the 'delays'. What you claim above is simply not true. Apart from this update, all recent updates have happened within the normal 2-3 months turnaround, which has been the norm throughout the duration of this game. This is not my personal observation, but fact. Now, if you're not paying attention all the time. Then it might appear to you that the game is repeatedly being delayed, because you hear people on here saying that it is. Now I'm not claiming such people have ulterior motives, just that they don't remember that clearly, because perhaps they have busy lives that take precedence over remembering every fact about this game. As a retired person, I don't have that problem and I can devote as much time as I want to this game and the others that I play. I do pay attention all the time and I read every single post in this thread, as well as all the posts on Discord and Patreon. This, together with the dozens of complete playthroughs of this game, that I've made, has given me a very deep understanding of it, which I think most people don't have. Which is probably why Deep sometimes comments, that my knowledge of this game is greater than anybody else, including him.

Now, am I overly obsessed with this game? Probably. Do I hate it, when people criticise my favourite game? Definitely. But the truth is, nobody criticises this game more than I do. I just don't criticise it here, where the Devs are not listening. And because they're not listening, and therefore can't defend themselves. I want to do it for them, because this game matters to me, as much as it matters to them. And believe me, it does matter to them, and what matters most is making it an enjoyable experience for players. And when they fail to achieve that, nobody takes it to heart, as much as Deep does. Now you may think I'm looking at all this through rose tinted glasses, but the thing is I'm not. I'm just paying more attention than you are.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Who will be the judge of this fairness? That's all personal preference and doesn't lead anywhere.

Also i am here and this is a great platform with many great people. I have very little interest and moreover time to divide myself on any more platforms.

Facts, will be the judge of fairness. Personal preference doesn't come into it. The problem is too many people are making statements that don't match up to the facts. Like you claiming that delays to the updates are becoming a more common occurence, when the facts clearly show that the turnaround for most updates is the normal 2-3 months it has always been.

And that's why I have the understanding that I have. Because I do have the time and interest to discover these facts, and read every scrap of information and theories that hundreds of people are making across multiple platforms.

 

[Lac]

Zara Scarlet: i never said anything about the release intervals being irregular. Please read my earlier posts.
I only stated that the communication about new releases is always completely out of sync. There is a statement about a release and then a few hours before said release appears some random but sudden hurdle which causes a delay. Of course things happen but in this case it is a pattern that shows all the time so this is making me suspicious and i express that. Nothing more nothing less.

On the other hand if the dev is not here and misses out of this audience here than this is also i'd say not a smart move but he is in luck to have his white knights and other minions who defend him blindly without any extra costs.
Yes, this could be interpreted as cynical and malicious and whatnot but i defer from censoring myself.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Zara Scarlet: i never said anything about the release intervals being irregular. Please read my earlier posts.
I only stated that the communication about new releases is always completely out of sync. There is a statement about a release and then a few hours before said release appears some random but sudden hurdle which causes a delay. Of course things happen but in this case it is a pattern that shows all the time so this is making me suspicious and i express that. Nothing more nothing less.

On the other hand if the dev is not here and misses out of this audience here than this is also i'd say not a smart move but he is in luck to have his white knights and other minions who defend him blindly without any extra costs.
Yes, this could be interpreted as cynical and malicious and whatnot but i defer from censoring myself.

Deep stated on August 31, that they were having significant issues with the animations and would have to redo most of them. Bearing in mind, this update will have a lot more animations than a normal update, it's taking longer than expected. On August 24 he had stated, he expected to release the update soon, so my guess is they were testing it at the end of August, prior to a planned release and discovered major issues which forced the present delay. These things happen sometimes, and there is no sinister plot behind it or evidence of a pattern of delays, except in some people's imaginations.

The reason the Dev is not here is obvious. Most people here are not patrons, and therefore he isn't missing out on anything. If Deep had 100 patrons, I guarantee he'd be here all the time. But he's had over 1000 patrons for the last 6 years, so he's not desperate to get every last new patron he can, because he's already doing very nicely with the ones he already has. Those are the people he has to please, and if you think none of them criticise him, it just shows how little understanding you really have. Patrons are the most critical, because they are actually paying for the game. They just don't make stupid criticisms, that's the difference. And they tend to have a deeper understanding of the real difficulties that the Devs are faced with.

I find it so ironical, that some people who don't pay, appear to have a greater sense of entitlement, than the people who do actually support it with actual money. You should be grateful there are white knights, who make it possible for you to play this game at all.

 

[Lac]

Zara Scarlet: as you stated yourself you have to much time at hand and you are in to deep. Now you're posting half assed bitter resentments. If this forum doesn't matter for him why this agressive defending? Would't it also not matter?

There is so much hastily conjectured and convoluted nonsense that i'm going to withdraw for now. But thanks for keeping me entertained so far.

 

[RecklessOG]

Conclusion:
Pay some dollars to dev so that u can make sure you shut up devs blind followers or knights?

If that's the case this thread Has to be abandoned by all people who do not pay!

Even if I do pay what is the guarantee DeepSleep is going to implement all suggestions which I suggest! Actually not even one of them!

So mere conclusion is if I pay him I get to defend myself and to voice my opinion!Is that true?

Look at what StoperArt did when people pay him regularly

 

[RecklessOG]

Zara Scarlet: as you stated yourself you have to much time at hand and you are in to deep. Now you're posting half assed bitter resentments. If this forum doesn't matter for him why this agressive defending? Would't it also not matter?

There is so much hastily conjectured and convoluted nonsense that i'm going to withdraw for now. But thanks for keeping me entertained so far.

Leave it bro,its beyond his understanding that somewhere you cannot just put fear of abandoning the game into its players and do whatever you want

 

[RecklessOG]

So people who are new to this game or are not patrons do not have the right to criticize/suggest anything at all

This means that dev doesn't want new people to come, suggest and play this game and just keep pleasuring his old people.

And that's how a community is build,BY ABANDONING NEW PEOPLE

 

[Lac]

Zara Scarlet: if i ever discuss something with you again, remind me to quote you completely so there won't be any misunderstandings by later editings