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Lac

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Zara Scarlet: as you stated yourself you have to much time at hand and you are in to deep. Now you're posting half assed bitter resentments. If this forum doesn't matter for him why this agressive defending? Would't it also not matter?

There is so much hastily conjectured and convoluted nonsense that i'm going to withdraw for now. But thanks for keeping me entertained so far.
 

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Conclusion:
Pay some dollars to dev so that u can make sure you shut up devs blind followers or knights?

If that's the case this thread Has to be abandoned by all people who do not pay!

Even if I do pay what is the guarantee DeepSleep is going to implement all suggestions which I suggest! Actually not even one of them!

So mere conclusion is if I pay him I get to defend myself and to voice my opinion!Is that true?

Look at what StoperArt did when people pay him regularly
 
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RecklessOG

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Zara Scarlet: as you stated yourself you have to much time at hand and you are in to deep. Now you're posting half assed bitter resentments. If this forum doesn't matter for him why this agressive defending? Would't it also not matter?

There is so much hastily conjectured and convoluted nonsense that i'm going to withdraw for now. But thanks for keeping me entertained so far.
Leave it bro,its beyond his understanding that somewhere you cannot just put fear of abandoning the game into its players and do whatever you want
 
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So people who are new to this game or are not patrons do not have the right to criticize/suggest anything at all

This means that dev doesn't want new people to come, suggest and play this game and just keep pleasuring his old people.

And that's how a community is build,BY ABANDONING NEW PEOPLE
 
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Agreed but, as you may know, some people don't see it that way. Some people aint happy unless they're bitching. They can't help it because they're not mature enough to have patience. I'm not sure some can even spell it. I'm pretty sure that the ones bitching about an update timeline have Never even tried to create their own renders, let alone doing a game full of them.
Do you even know that I make fan arts on my own but I haven't posted them since they need improvement but I'm trying

And talking about patience,what if Deepsleep says some update is going to take 1 year to release, you'd still be happy about it ?

It's not calling bitching mister it's called criticism which u can't stand at all
 
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Zara Scarlet

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Conclusion:
Pay some dollars to dev so that u can make sure you shut up devs blind followers or knights?

If that's the case this thread Has to be abandoned by all people who do not pay!

Even if I do pay what is the guarantee DeepSleep is going to implement all suggestions which I suggest! Actually not even one of them!

So mere conclusion is if I pay him I get to defend myself and to voice my opinion!Is that true?

Look at what StoperArt did when people pay him regularly
Over 1000 people have been paying him regularly for the past 6 years. And updates are still released on most occasions every 2-3 months. One thing is for certain, if you don't become a patron, then you'll continue to have no influence. Patrons have influence, non-patrons dont.
 
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Do you even know that I make fan arts on my own but I haven't posted them since they need improvement but I'm trying

And talking about patience,what if Deepsleep says some update is going to take 1 year to release, you'd still be happy about it ?

It's not calling bitching mister it's called criticism which u can't stand at all
I never mentioned you dude. Your comprehensive skills are off kilter. A saying in the South goes, "A hit dog will holler." Furthermore, if you Are trying to do fan art, you should be The Last person being critical about someone's update timeline since you just admitted that you haven't posted because they need improvement. I take that to mean that, you haven't put anything out according to Your timeline because it's incomplete. Yeah, okay.
Now, it's one thing to be critical. EVERYTHING that falls under human scrutiny Will be criticized. I gots NO problem with that. It becomes Bitching when you feel the need to double-down on a point then elaborate on it, particularly when a person who's told you that they have the inside scoop and explained the causes, creates a response from you akin to saying, "You don't care", then mildly insult that person by calling them, in Your words, a "white knighter." Seems to Me that You're the one bothered by, not just criticism but a reasonable explanation from a reasonable and knowledgeable person. Things that make you go "Hmm", anyone??
 
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at this point it is clear that Zara Scarlett is either one of the developers or a donor who is afraid that the game will be abandoned due to criticism :LOL:

As long as criticism is constructive, it's a win-win for the developer. ;)
The criticism is constructive the first time it's made and maybe even the second. But after the 10th occasion, it's merely a bad deja-vu.
 

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I never mentioned you dude. Your comprehensive skills are off kilter. A sayiing in the South goes, "A hit dog will holler." Furthermore, if you Are trying to do fan art, you should be The Last person being critical about someone's update timeline since you just admitted that you haven't posted because they need improvement. I take that to mean that, you haven't put anything out according to Your timeline because it's incomplete. Yeah, okay.
Now, it's one thing to be critical. EVERYTHING that falls under human scrutiny Will be criticized. I gots NO problem with that. It becomes Bitching when you feel the need to double-down on a point then elaborate on it, particularly when a person who's told you that they have the inside scoop and explained the causes, creates a response from you akin to saying, "You don't care", then mildly insult that person by calling them, in Your words, a "white knighter." Seems to Me that You're the one bothered by, not just criticism but a reasonable explanation from a reasonable and knowledgeable person. Things that make you go "Hmm", anyone??
So if someone is thinking about making fan art and wants to improve disqualifies him of being able to criticize the dev?
And the rest is just obedient chatter. Another mindless zealot.
 
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Zara Scarlet: i don't care if you have insider information or not. But for me it looks like you are are just a zealot defending every move of a dev.
I don't care about the delays themselves. But i care about development and i see none. As i stated before this dev finds every time some arbitrary hurdle to delay the release. So either he is the most unlucky person in the world or it is mere incompetence. In the latter case someone could try to learn form past experience and be more careful about announcing a release.

That is all my own personal observation. I also never stated any hidden agenda meaning milking about the delays on part of the dev. But i think these delays give a bad vibe and things could be handled much better.

Also you should probably read your own posts again and think about how they come across. When you write "we all need to stop..." that is literally meant to shut people up. So don't newspeak me.
We need to learn about his estimate income to make a conclusion.

For example in Innocence or Money game, someone revealed lately that dev makes around 90K usd yearly!! And I was wondering why updates coming so late. Last update came almost 10 months later from previous update. 7-8k usd monthly will make you delay the progress with the sweet taste of money.

If DeepSleep also earns around that sum, its normal.

Usually this is the equation: Higher the Devs earning goes, Lower the amount of update at some point.
 

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So if someone is thinking about making fan art and wants to improve disqualifies him of being able to criticize the dev?
And the rest is just obedient chatter. Another mindless zealot.
Nah, no zealots here dawg and Hardly mindless. AND, if your comprehensive skills were on point, you would understand what I said in my initial post. I'm just tolerant which you and a few others here seem to lack. So fucking what if the man said that the update would come out one time but he ran into a problem and delayed it. The biggest problem that I see with a lot of you here is that, you've had so many bad and crooked devs screw you over that y'all are cynical of ANY dev that doesn't put out when they say it will, regardless of if they, or a member of the team explains the problem or not. You selfishly refuse to take into account that they may have other things going on, bit off a little more than they could chew, or ran into a problem. You want it when They said it and if it's not, then they're milkers or liars. How many times have you told a person that you would do something but you couldn't come through? That would make you a liar too, based on y'all's logic.
Keep in mind, this IS a pirate site and none of these folks are obligated to continue to post their works here. Some could do like artists on Slushe, put out a snippet of content then make you pay for the rest. All you need to do is have patience and saying so doesn't make me or anyone else a zealot, just reasonable, you know, like you'd want someone to be with You.
 
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Lac

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Nah, no zealots here dawg and Hardly mindless. AND, if your comprehensive skills were on point, you would understand what I said in my initial post. I'm just tolerant which you and a few others here seem to lack. So fucking what if the man said that the update would come out one time but he ran into a problem and delayed it. The biggest problem that I see with a lot of you here is that, you've had so many bad and crooked devs screw you over that y'all are cynical of ANY dev that doesn't put out when they say it will, regardless of if they, or a member of the team explains the problem or not. You selfishly refuse to take into account that they may have other things going on, bit off a little more than they could chew, or ran into a problem. You want it when They said it and if it's not, then they're milkers or liars. How many times have you told a person that you would do something but you couldn't come through? That would make you a liar too, based on y'all's logic.
Keep in mind, this IS a pirate site and none of these folks are obligated to continue to post their works here. Some could do like artists on Slushe, put out a snippet of content then make you pay for the rest. All you need to do is have patienceannd saying so doesn't make me or anyone elsea zealot, just reasonable, you know, like you'd want someone to be with You.
If there is one (1) delay nobody would care. But here is a clear pattern.

Also more baseless excuses and whataboutism. Thank you for your entertainment.
 
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I would not carelessly generalize that. Even if it seems convenient.
But this is same almost every game out there. In the beginning of the journey, they keep up with the steady updates almost every month. After 2 3 years later if the game is not abandoned and grows, they earn more and more, and updates come in 5 6 month pace.
 

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But this is same almost every game out there. In the beginning of the journey, they keep up with the steady updates almost every month. After 2 3 years later if the game is not abandoned and grows, they earn more and more, and updates come in 5 6 month pace.
[zealot glasses on]No no no, the dev improved the quality of the renders and the writing. There will be more animations. And not to speak of the personal circumstances of the dev. He is very sickly and easily depressed, he lives in a war zone and has 42 kids to feed. Also all of his relatives are high-maintenance and die constantly. [zealot glasses off]
 

Zara Scarlet

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We need to learn about his estimate income to make a conclusion.

For example in Innocence or Money game, someone revealed lately that dev makes around 90K usd yearly!! And I was wondering why updates coming so late. Last update came almost 10 months later from previous update. 7-8k usd monthly will make you delay the progress with the sweet taste of money.

If DeepSleep also earns around that sum, its normal.

Usually this is the equation: Higher the Devs earning goes, Lower the amount of update at some point.
Well I can tell you he's had 1000-1200 Patrons for the last 6 years. The total goes up and down, because some people only subscribe when an update is released. It's stayed pretty steady throughout that entire period, and updates have been released every 2-3 months , apart from a few occasions when the updates have been longer, or they've had some unexpected issue to deal with, as is the case this time. So whilst it's possible you might be right with some Devs, in the case of Deepsleep, it hasn't made any difference at all.

Also Devs have to work very hard for their money. It's not a 9-5 job you know. They have to work 60-70 hours a week, and when an update is being released, it can be considerably more. And when you start your game, it's a big gamble. You have no idea whether your initial months of hard work for little reward, is going to pay off. The failure rate is extremely high and many Devs give up, because it's soul destroying to put in a ton of effort, not get any reward and then have people trashing your efforts on top of that. So if Devs get to the point, where they've achieved success and are earning a good income. Then I say good on them, because they've almost certainly had to work damn hard to get there.
 
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