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VN Ren'Py Aperture (NTR Game) - Developer Thread

Which kind of first chapter length do you prefer?

  • 20-25 minutes (To be released in ~2 weeks)

    Votes: 19 8.0%
  • 40-45 minutes (Might take a month)

    Votes: 93 39.1%
  • I don't really care. Just needs to be high quality.

    Votes: 126 52.9%

  • Total voters
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Ion.TemUS

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Great idea! I have made a patreon but I'll only share it once the first chapter is out. Wanna focus on making a good game before thinking about monetizing it haha. It's a passion project of mine after all.

Also, I might be doing the opposite of what you wrote here. Based on the votes here, I decided to make he first chapter not to be so lengthy. But it I aim to make it satisfying to read, aiming to achieve 30 minutes of play-time if read in a savory manner.

I aim to make the second chapter much longer as I will have a solid first chapter and code to build it on.

Anyways, next you'll be hearing from me when I finish all my art needed for the chapter! Wish me luck haha
That's great.
I like the approach of only doing a patreon/subscribestar once you already got something out, that definitely will help your image, people will appreciate that. But smart of you to set up the infrastructure, I think thats a good approach, be ready then choose the best moment to advertise it.

I second the warnings some people have with patreon and content policy. I think there is ways to get around it, with indirect links and whatnot, but patreon definitely is stricter when it comes to the content of the game, so its possible they will one day notice or be told that your story contains elements they dont like and they will shut the page down. That is why many people have a subscribestar (or other page) - some additionally, others don't even have a patreon (anymore).

I think there is also this one website, how was that called.... - that's it! Had to look that up. Idk how that one works but ik a lot of h-game creators got their free demos on there, so maybe they also have some payment or support structure you could look into.

Either way, good luck with the game.
Glad to see you already got your script figured out (full script or just Chapter/Act 1? either is impressive).
 

Ion.TemUS

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I agree that showing some students corrupted by the antagonist early would be great. Firstly, it sets up the principal as a serious threat. Secondly, we got to see some hot content early without rushing main heroines corruption.
I partially agree. Not 100% sure on that.

I am split on if that would water the plot down or not. Let me explain. I feel the main antagonist only going for Rin makes it more special and more personal of a threat. On the other hand I agree that showing his ruthlessness and what he is willing and capable to do - as well as some hot scenes early one - would benefit the game and set him up as a serious threat.

There are ofc other ways to show his characteristics and show him as a serious threat without doing that, and we can always have side antagonists corrupting side characters (like the secondary female character) to account for the hot scenes early on.

I think a mix of both might be a good compromise. Show the principal has done that to one or two women in the past. Maybe a chance to add a hot female teacher that he has done smth similar with? That would give the game some variety in terms of women featured, have a similar effect, cheapen the Rin thing less imo, etc. And also have a side character plot without the principal's DIRECT involvement. Maybe he knows about it or he helped set it up or he agrees to keep it a secret in exchange for something useful (money or other benefits such as the students in question helping him with certain things in exchange for him turning a blind eye to whats going on between them and female students?).
 
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phantomz

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actually you dont really need to see corrupted side characters to make the antagonist like a real threat . its all depends on how well made are the characters in game . like azienda game turning the page . we had three main characers husband , wife and Ntr guy and 99% of story was about them .
if the story is rich enough and characters are not one dimensional then theres no need to add useless side characters , you can use that time and energy to make the dialogues and story more belivable and richer and make the characters more interesting .
 
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Ion.TemUS

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actually you dont really need to see corrupted side characters to make the antagonist like a real threat . its all depends on how well made are the characters in game . like azienda game turning the page . we had three main characers husband , wife and Ntr guy and 99% of story was about them .
if the story is rich enough and characters are not one dimensional then theres no need to add useless side characters , you can use that time and energy to make the dialogues and story more belivable and richer and make the characters more interesting .
I mean that is true to a degree. I was mostly thinking about the side characters who were already planned.
 

JuanPabloII

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I agree that it could be done well without watering down anything and wasting time on irrelevant characters. What I had in mind is for example a scene when Rin is talking with the antagonist in his office and we get some renders of a random student blowing him under the desk. The story would flow just the same but we would get some decent build up and hot scenes.

Or just make students spread some rumours that principal impregnated a student some time ago and show some renders of that. I think it would add a lot of hotness to the game with little effort
 

MisterZone

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I partially agree. Not 100% sure on that.

I am split on if that would water the plot down or not. Let me explain. I feel the main antagonist only going for Rin makes it more special and more personal of a threat. On the other hand I agree that showing his ruthlessness and what he is willing and capable to do - as well as some hot scenes early one - would benefit the game and set him up as a serious threat.

There are ofc other ways to show his characteristics and show him as a serious threat without doing that, and we can always have side antagonists corrupting side characters (like the secondary female character) to account for the hot scenes early on.

I think a mix of both might be a good compromise. Show the principal has done that to one or two women in the past. Maybe a chance to add a hot female teacher that he has done smth similar with? That would give the game some variety in terms of women featured, have a similar effect, cheapen the Rin thing less imo, etc. And also have a side character plot without the principal's DIRECT involvement. Maybe he knows about it or he helped set it up or he agrees to keep it a secret in exchange for something useful (money or other benefits such as the students in question helping him with certain things in exchange for him turning a blind eye to whats going on between them and female students?).
I'm also split on this point. Maybe it would be good to show us a random girl leaving the Principal's office to bring up the rumors that the Principal is a dirty bastard who corrupts and fucks pure girls, but there's no need to delve into this random girl's story, it would just be to make Keita see this girl leaving the Principal's office and make him feel fear and anxiety, and these feelings are transmitted to the player.
 

Ion.TemUS

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I'm also split on this point. Maybe it would be good to show us a random girl leaving the Principal's office to bring up the rumors that the Principal is a dirty bastard who corrupts and fucks pure girls, but there's no need to delve into this random girl's story, it would just be to make Keita see this girl leaving the Principal's office and make him feel fear and anxiety, and these feelings are transmitted to the player.
yea i get your point.
I suggested the female teacher angle bc of that.

1. variety in women
2. shows he has power and (malicious) cunning beyond the student body
3. leaves Rin as potentially "unique", bc you dont know if she is the first student mark or not

But yea, definitely should be a minimal effort kind of thing and be included "on the side" in a scene IF you want to do something like that.
 
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Vonsatia

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Hello guys! I came back with another update.

First of all, I'm so happy to see you all discussing about my characters and the potential plot even before my chapter came out. It's a great feeling as a writer. Some of your ideas may actually be in the story in some form or shape.

Progress?

Script: 100%
Coding: 80%
Artwork: 95% (a few variations remaining)

The chapter is shaping up really well. I've been focusing on the world building as well as the characters. Till now I have created over 40+ detailed CGs for the chapter. And over 26 sprites and variations. I hope to finalize the chapter in the coming week. My plan is to release this chapter before the month ends.

This will be the final update until I release the chapter. Till now, I've mostly shared CGs which are either test images or non canon in the story. Well, here's a first look at our fun side character, Kimura Jun! You can expect all of the artwork to have this level of quality, aesthetic, vibe etc.

ch1jun1.png

Wish me luck, I hope you'll enjoy the chapter when it comes out!
 

Ion.TemUS

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Hello guys! I came back with another update.

First of all, I'm so happy to see you all discussing about my characters and the potential plot even before my chapter came out. It's a great feeling as a writer. Some of your ideas may actually be in the story in some form or shape.

Progress?

Script: 100%
Coding: 80%
Artwork: 95% (a few variations remaining)

The chapter is shaping up really well. I've been focusing on the world building as well as the characters. Till now I have created over 40+ detailed CGs for the chapter. And over 26 sprites and variations. I hope to finalize the chapter in the coming week. My plan is to release this chapter before the month ends.

This will be the final update until I release the chapter. Till now, I've mostly shared CGs which are either test images or non canon in the story. Well, here's a first look at our fun side character, Kimura Jun! You can expect all of the artwork to have this level of quality, aesthetic, vibe etc.

View attachment 4867323

Wish me luck, I hope you'll enjoy the chapter when it comes out!
Are her and Rin friends? Or is she more friends with the MC and the other side character dude?
 

MisterZone

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Hello guys! I came back with another update.

First of all, I'm so happy to see you all discussing about my characters and the potential plot even before my chapter came out. It's a great feeling as a writer. Some of your ideas may actually be in the story in some form or shape.

Progress?

Script: 100%
Coding: 80%
Artwork: 95% (a few variations remaining)

The chapter is shaping up really well. I've been focusing on the world building as well as the characters. Till now I have created over 40+ detailed CGs for the chapter. And over 26 sprites and variations. I hope to finalize the chapter in the coming week. My plan is to release this chapter before the month ends.

This will be the final update until I release the chapter. Till now, I've mostly shared CGs which are either test images or non canon in the story. Well, here's a first look at our fun side character, Kimura Jun! You can expect all of the artwork to have this level of quality, aesthetic, vibe etc.

View attachment 4867323

Wish me luck, I hope you'll enjoy the chapter when it comes out!
Can't wait for the first chapter!
 
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Ion.TemUS

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no
dev said they are only gonna make a patreon/subscribestar or similar support/dev page once the demo is done.
iirc the decisions was to make sure its like good quality-wise, so I think the rough time-estimate was 4-6 weeks.
no news so far, but im sure dev is gonna post in a bit.
 
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