Are there any people here that still can't get enough of the same incest pattern VN like me?

[Once_Up]

I've seen a lot of people complaining about VN that has the same story formula and the same incest pattern "fuck all your family members story" for so long, and I agree with them on everything.

But, the thing is I still can't get enough of them, I mean I probably can play the infinite amount of incest VNs without getting tired of them tbh, to me it's some kind of guilty pleasure.
I even want to make my own incest VN haha

So, I want to know are there still any people like me here?

 

[Hadley]

Its all about the Story. The theme doesn't matter much if the writing is horseshit.

 

[Dick_Bachman]

I think it appeals to me mainly because it involves milfs and/or teen girls, 2 things I very much enjoy in a VN. I would also agree that a good story can sell me on the whole incest deal. Far too many of these tales just have the protag eating dinner with his sister or mom one day and he looks over and says to himself... "you know, I never noticed, but sis is kinda hot..." It's just lazy story telling.

 

[Once_Up]

Far too many of these tales just have the protag eating dinner with his sister or mom one day and he looks over and says to himself... "you know, I never noticed, but sis is kinda hot..." It's just lazy story telling.

Yeah, I agree. I really don't understand that, I mean if your mom and sis are that hot, why notice that now?

I think just making the protagonist have that feeling since the past but never be brave enough to make a move on them would be more believable and add more to the story tbh.

 

[Once_Up]

Its all about the Story. The theme doesn't matter much if the writing is horseshit.

Judging by your banners, I'm sure that you and I will get along haha

 

[ScaryFairy]

I like those the most which has a good reason for why they're doing the incest. Like if something which is prohibited happens so easily then there will be no interest watching that after the first action. In most of the incest VNs are classical type like dad isn't giving too much attention to mom and it happens slowly with son. Yeah those are also good(and incest lovers like every kind of incest).But as someone said earlier a good story with a good plot just do the work.

 

[HazumiCousin]

Starless/bible black kinda ruined all other VNs for me i cant find anything else (Besides starless having a series of games with similar art) but yeah if more english versions of their games come out id be down.

 

[GreenGobbo]

I mostly play harem games and ones with what I'd consider to good looking character models.
Don't really care too much about the story/setting very often. A lot of the time when story elements start taking too long I'll just hold down the skip button until the fun stuff happens.

Thing is though, a LOT of the harem games here or the games with good looking character models seem to involve incest.
Like a LOT.
Not to say there's a lack of games without incest, but the last few years the overall amount of incest based harems seems to have exploded.
I'll still download them if the characters look good and it seems like there's a decent amount of content.
But in those cases (whenever possible) I just try my best to ignore the the bits hinting at the characters implied relationships.

 

[thatguy49]

Yeah, the stories can become monotonous, but I'm a sucker for the games that at least include the progressing nudity factor. Maybe it's my own crack addiction, something about the combination of incest and exhibitionism/nudism gets me every time lol.

 

[megaplayboy10k]

Elements of an incest story line, hmm.
1. Revelation of attraction(usually by the MC for the "forbidden" love interests)--very early in the game, never later than Act II
2. Change of circumstances creating opportunity(the MC gets a mind control ring, Dad leaves the family, Mom loses her job, Sis needs help with school or her new business, e.g., etc.)--also fairly early in game
3. The MC pursues/develops the opportunity--no later than mid game
4. Things progress to a natural "barrier point", there's resistance, and the MC is discouraged--early mid game
5. MC finds a way to progress past resistance and goes past the barrier point for the first time--mid to late mid game
6. It becomes clear that attraction is mutual between MC and forbidden love interest(s)--same
7. As physical intimacy deepens, risk of discovery becomes a thing, and resistance to "going all the way"(usually PIV, no protection) is somewhat persistent--the LI may "bargain" by offering lesser sexual favors like oral sex, e.g.
8. Love interests finally consent to full sexual and/or romantic relationship--early end game
9. This is where "harem options" usually open up, including group incest scenes--mid end game
10. "Happy ending"--some plausibly stable arrangement, or else the relationships end well/badly--end game

I think the "meat" of an incest game is in the middle elements, from pursuit to final consent, but the beginning and end stages are very important.

 

[woody554]

sure. just look at how the said formulaic games top the charts even despite the censorship problem and how massive following they instantly get. also I can't think of a single successful 'original' incest VN right now. they do get their following as well, but for some reason it's always a very narrow audience. I suppose it's because the 'original stories' tend to focus on irrelevant 'original' parts of the stories and phone in the incest part the audience is there for. but who knows. whatever it is, it seems to be uncommon that 'original stories' can deliver what their makers like to think they're delivering.

or I don't know. maybe the devs are not even expecting to gather a large audience, maybe it's just the ardent fans that get frustrated with how little following the original stories get. it's probably better to make a small game you yourself like than a big one you don't.

 

[Jofur]

I can't get enough of them as well. At least the more "open world" ones. There's just something very satisfying in the progression in a lot of them. The way it drip feeds you stuff, the way you can explore this little piece of the world and get excited about the potential characters you may one day bang and places the story will go. Having to work a bit for it. Then add that taboo factor and it just gets me excited, no matter how many bitchy older sisters or slutty aunts I come across.

 

[Once_Up]

no matter how many bitchy older sisters or slutty aunts I come across

Man of the house got the best bitchy older sister character development imo LOL

 

[Once_Up]

sure. just look at how the said formulaic games top the charts even despite the censorship problem and how massive following they instantly get. also I can't think of a single successful 'original' incest VN right now. they do get their following as well, but for some reason it's always a very narrow audience. I suppose it's because the 'original stories' tend to focus on irrelevant 'original' parts of the stories and phone in the incest part the audience is there for. but who knows. whatever it is, it seems to be uncommon that 'original stories' can deliver what their makers like to think they're delivering.

or I don't know. maybe the devs are not even expecting to gather a large audience, maybe it's just the ardent fans that get frustrated with how little following the original stories get. it's probably better to make a small game you yourself like than a big one you don't.

I saw a lot of people saying that they're not into incest and just play games with incest elements just because models are hot and deliver many types of women such as Milf, Younger hot red-headed, Older slutty sister, etc. but if that's true for the most people. I don't think a game like Light of My Life would be that well-received, let's be honest I don't think most of the people would see that game's banner and how the models look and think that they're beautiful at least in the traditional sense.

So what makes people try that game and love it has to be the story and their relationship that make audiences captivating.
That's why I think that most people may be into incest and all these forbidden relationships in fantasies more than they think they are. I don't think just because of hot models would make the VN successful.

 

[Doorknob22]

I don't mind playing every game where the MC can fuck his mom.
I'll play every decent game where the MC sneaks into his mother/sisters at night and molests them.
Mom needs help with yoga/sun screen giving the MC a chance to touch her where he shouldn't? I'm in!
Is the MC now the man of the house? I'll play this game!
Sign me up for every game where MC's mother is curvy with big tits.

Bottom line: I don't mind playing these tropes if they are well executed. Originality is overrated.

 

[obibobi]

It's an extra spice to the story. In fiction, a victimless taboo.

Writing a story is often about getting the audience to feel a certain way and there are tricks to make that easier. In horror it's often from the perspective of a woman, women are smaller and more vulnerable than men so from her perspective it's easier to make the audience feel scared.

Now incest isn't needed, Being a Dik has very appealing erotic scenes, but that required build up, character development, teasing, flirting.

Incest is a trick to make that process easier, for the audience, it quickly establishes a relationship with the characters because we are all aware of what a family is and it makes it wrong, but in a way where no one is certain to get hurt unlike rape, cucking or abuse.

 

[gunderson]

I mean, incest is a popular genre of porn game, VNs especially. The criticism of the tropes that make up the genre just feels like the complaints of people who will get immediately defensive when you start picking at the flimsy tropes that make up their favorite genres of media.

Sure, I'm happy (sometimes) when people actually change things up, mess with expectations for relationships, that kinda thing. Not like turning moms and sisters into landladies and roommates, because that makes the narrative weaker since it limits the real barriers characters have to banging the main character (that's bad. Overcoming barriers is kinda the point of stories and games), but by doing something that's actually both novel and compelling. Makes a game better and often spicier.

But no, I'm a sucker for a sufficiently well-made and relatively uncompromised standard incest VN, and I don't think this is meaningfully different from the standards people who like different stuff have for their preferred genres of indie porn games.

 

[desmosome]

I mean, incest is a popular genre of porn game, VNs especially. The criticism of the tropes that make up the genre just feels like the complaints of people who will get immediately defensive when you start picking at the flimsy tropes that make up their favorite genres of media.

Sure, I'm happy (sometimes) when people actually change things up, mess with expectations for relationships, that kinda thing. Not like turning moms and sisters into landladies and roommates, because that makes the narrative weaker since it limits the real barriers characters have to banging the main character (that's bad. Overcoming barriers is kinda the point of stories and games), but by doing something that's actually both novel and compelling. Makes a game better and often spicier.

But no, I'm a sucker for a sufficiently well-made and relatively uncompromised standard incest VN, and I don't think this is meaningfully different from the standards people who like different stuff have for their preferred genres of indie porn games.

For comparison, NTR has it's own tropes and story beats that largely do not change. When I think about real NTR, there are 4 necessary steps in the story for it to function properly (real japanese style NTR, not the broad definition people use around here). 1) Initial state of the characters, showing their bonds and displaying their peaceful state of life. 2) Introduction to the antagonist. 3) Progression of the corruption. 4) NTR reveal and resolution.

NTR is weird when it comes to genres in that it deals with the entire arc of these characters and essentially determines the whole story. Of course, there are differences in detail, but those 4 points being necessary kind of means that a lot of NTR will seem similar. There is also the forced qualities in the male and female protagonists to make this work. Oblivious male protagonist and female that is susceptible to tropey corruption tactics.

I'm not sure if incest necessarily is bound to the same degree. What is necessary for an incest story? Only their family relationship. There are an unlimited number of different scenarios and themes that could incorporate incest as an added spice. I personally think almost any scenario could be made more taboo (therefore hotter) when incest is added. Space opera? Add incest. Crime drama? Add incest. College shit? Add incest. Fantasy world? Add incest. Mind control corruption? Add incest. Vampires? Add incest. Wizards? Add incest. Mad Max? Add incest. Corporate setting? Add incest. Hero's journey? Add incest. You get the picture.

What I find annoying is the insistence on the lazy copy pasta tropes that have come to be associated with incest because there is really no reason for incest to be so ensnared by these tropes. You know. Dad dies. Kid comes back after being away. Gets horny for family. Mom is a repressed lonely set of balloon tits. Little sis is cute and loves the MC. Older sis is bitchy and loves the MC. Aunt is a slut cougar after the MC. Shower peeps. Sleep rapes. Morning woods. Yoga. No plot at all other than doing slice of life stuff and trying to bang the family.

Of course, there is room for all types of games, and many people do prefer slice of life and dating sim set ups. There are some good games doing it this way too. The issue is that it is definitely the lower hanging fruit when it comes to creativity and writing. That's why we see a lot of talentless devs churning out low effort incest games using all the tropes.

 

[gunderson]

For comparison, NTR has it's own tropes and story beats that largely do not change. When I think about real NTR, there are 4 necessary steps in the story for it to function properly (real japanese style NTR, not the broad definition people use around here). 1) Initial state of the characters, showing their bonds and displaying their peaceful state of life. 2) Introduction to the antagonist. 3) Progression of the corruption. 4) NTR reveal and resolution.

NTR is weird when it comes to genres in that it deals with the entire arc of these characters and essentially determines the whole story. Of course, there are differences in detail, but those 4 points being necessary kind of means that a lot of NTR will seem similar. There is also the forced qualities in the male and female protagonists to make this work. Oblivious male protagonist and female that is susceptible to tropey corruption tactics.

I'm not sure if incest necessarily is bound to the same degree. What is necessary for an incest story? Only their family relationship. There are an unlimited number of different scenarios and themes that could incorporate incest as an added spice. I personally think almost any scenario could be made more taboo (therefore hotter) when incest is added. Space opera? Add incest. Crime drama? Add incest. College shit? Add incest. Fantasy world? Add incest. Mind control corruption? Add incest. Vampires? Add incest. Wizards? Add incest. Mad Max? Add incest. Corporate setting? Add incest. Hero's journey? Add incest. You get the picture.

What I find annoying is the insistence on the lazy copy pasta tropes that have come to be associated with incest because there is really no reason for incest to be so ensnared by these tropes. You know. Dad dies. Kid comes back after being away. Gets horny for family. Mom is a repressed lonely set of balloon tits. Little sis is cute and loves the MC. Older sis is bitchy and loves the MC. Aunt is a slut cougar after the MC. Shower peeps. Sleep rapes. Morning woods. Yoga. No plot at all other than doing slice of life stuff and trying to bang the family.

Of course, there is room for all types of games, and many people do prefer slice of life and dating sim set ups. There are some good games doing it this way too. The issue is that it is definitely the lower hanging fruit when it comes to creativity and writing. That's why we see a lot of talentless devs churning out low effort incest games using all the tropes.

Ah, I see. So what you're saying is that the standard tropes for NTR make it a genre because...um, Japanese? But an incest visual novel depends on lazy tropes and is therefore bad because...not Japanese? Oh the magic of using a term in Japanese for the porn community.

No, seriously, I'm missing the part about why cheating can't be added to ordinary-ass stories for spice purposes but incest totally can. I think maybe instead you accidentally proved my point about how people are only willing to accept the standard tropes associated with a certain type of product if they like that genre. Well, no, I won't accept that because there's no point. Incest VNs are a genre, Japanese NTR visual novels are a genre, etc.

 

[hakarlman]

Only 1 out of 50 VN's will get it right, so it leaves everyone wanting more properly made VN's with the theme mentioned in the OP.