Are we that bad?

[chesire]

I had an idea for a book during my last job (I hated it and had a lot of time to think about stuff like this) but after a while I get it - writing is hard, you need mood, you need something to fill the gaps. I decided to make it an actual game but I am not good in programming I have 0 art skills. I don't even have good PC so I am stuck in every possible way. But I did the same thing, writing every scenario to notepad++ and I got all major parts. Currently trying to save up some money till Nvidia release the next-gen GPUs and will invest around 1800 euro for new PC and will try to do the art because it seems the hardest part for me. It will be just a free demo, I am not sure how many people will enjoy the actual story because it will be a bit different from the usual incest/rape/Asian stuff. Also, my English isn't good at all but I want to have some jokes in the game, to make people laugh, not just pass all text till something give you a boner.

well you got my attention make a good game now

 

[megaplayboy10k]

I'm not even sure where one would go about selling their game. Outside of patreon funding, I mean. Best Buy and Gamestop aren't going to carry "porn games", seems unlikely to show up on Amazon, either. Steam carries a few, though they don't sell for big money. So, yes, aside from maybe the game's development being subsidized, it's largely free product. Now, I suppose it's possible that there could be too many "free" downloads and not enough patrons, which might dry up development a bit. Of course, Patreon itself is cracking down on a number of games with "edgy" or questionable themes, and some of those themes happen to be among the most popular "genres" for adult games. It may turn out that most games will wind up being free anyway.

 

[Delmach]

I thought its very much established that there arent only pirates here. Seen that often enough, people do pledge to games they really like, while just downloading and checking others that they in the end dont care enough about. And of course people that wouldnt ever pay for it at all, but thats a part thats there anyway, no matter what you do.

For myself its also the fact that I really dont want to communicate on the main Patreon, for two reasons.

One, since last year my aversion to the whole platform makes me want to really keep it to a minimum, especially since some words written on there could actually get developers into trouble. Add in the "unofficial" patches and you are basically forced to leave the Patreon page as a ghost town.

And second, its ass in terms of actual communication (so some developers feel the need to link a discord server).

And well, also because of the lovely community here (just kidding, or am I?)

Edit:

I'm not even sure where one would go about selling their game.

there are two sites that I remember right away, ones Nutaku, ones Kimochi.
And there is at least another platform that I cant seem to remember.

The difference is, they are mostly used for finished games, not for indefinitely supporting a project that might never come out. But thats easy to fix, just buy a game twice for example. In a time range that you find acceptable. Its not like we really need Patreon. And yes, some of the sites mentioned also works with Paypal.

Another edit: Remembered the third site, its Itch.io

 

[LS135]

I thought its very much established that there arent only pirates here. Seen that often enough, people do pledge to games they really like, while just downloading and checking others that they in the end dont care enough about. And of course people that wouldnt ever pay for it at all, but thats a part thats there anyway, no matter what you do.

For myself its also the fact that I really dont want to communicate on the main Patreon, for two reasons.

One, since last year my aversion to the whole platform makes me want to really keep it to a minimum, especially since some words written on there could actually get developers into trouble. Add in the "unofficial" patches and you are basically forced to leave the Patreon page as a ghost town.

And second, its ass in terms of actual communication (so some developers feel the need to link a discord server).

And well, also because of the lovely community here (just kidding, or am I?)

i think our comunity is lovely

 

[WhitePhantom]

Personally I think quite highly of this site.

Firstly, it encouraged me to make a game. Now my games nowhere near perfect, but I'm learning skills and getting better each update, and it's a bit like writing a book which is fun at times.

Secondly, without this site, nobody would know about my game. I have 4 Supporters, I'd have 0 without this site.
Even one person saying "I can't wait for the next update" is really encouraging, and otherwise it'd just be me making a game and like maybe 10 people eventually finding it, so the community helps motivate.

Thirdly, I've found several games that I never would have done without this site, and enjoyed their game so much I've gone on to then become a Patreon. If I couldn't play the current version because it's behind a paywall, I wouldn't take a punt in the dark and hope that it's good. So it helps everybody wanting to play games too.

So I'd say this site does a great service as an advertiser for game creator, as a community and host for players. Long live F95Zone

 

[megaplayboy10k]

There's at least 2000 h/fap/eroge/adult games out there, finished and unfinished, based on a survey of adultgamescollector and onlyhgames. That's a LOT of games in development. Having a central spot for reviews, feedback and commentary is a good thing, imo.

 

[LS135]

Personally I think quite highly of this site.

Firstly, it encouraged me to make a game. Now my games nowhere near perfect, but I'm learning skills and getting better each update, and it's a bit like writing a book which is fun at times.

Secondly, without this site, nobody would know about my game. I have 4 Supporters, I'd have 0 without this site.
Even one person saying "I can't wait for the next update" is really encouraging, and otherwise it'd just be me making a game and like maybe 10 people eventually finding it, so the community helps motivate.

Thirdly, I've found several games that I never would have done without this site, and enjoyed their game so much I've gone on to then become a Patreon. If I couldn't play the current version because it's behind a paywall, I wouldn't take a punt in the dark and hope that it's good. So it helps everybody wanting to play games too.

So I'd say this site does a great service as an advertiser for game creator, as a community and host for players. Long live F95Zone

your game seems quite promissing

 

[freedom.call]

This place is amazing, and I firmly believe developers on the whole benefit from game exposure here. It's kindof a two-way street, especially now with all the short 0.0.1 editions.

 

[Dr PinkCake]

This place is amazing, and I firmly believe developers on the whole benefit from game exposure here. It's kindof a two-way street, especially now with all the short 0.0.1 editions.

Haha, 0.0.1 really has a bad rumor to it huh? Makes it very difficult to release a first version of a serious project.

 

[GuyFreely]

I'm probably repeating some sentiments here, but the current offering of games is all over the place in many ways, but largely with quality. We've talked about it at length in other threads, so I won't belabor the point here, but I ragequit out of a lot of games on here when they become a giant grindfest. So I'm not really thrilled with the prospect of paying for these unknown quantities. Even a demo or whatever is freely available direct from the dev might not give you a full view of what the game is actually like. It would be pretty easy to front-load a game and make it seem like it's good then have it become a mess later on. As others have said, most of these games aren't even finished. What that means from game to game, again, varies wildly. Some unfinished games have plenty to do, other stop right before it seems like things are going to pick up. (Maybe you can fuck her in the next update? Find out soon! trololol)

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[freedom.call]

Haha, 0.0.1 really has a bad rumor to it huh? Makes it very difficult to release a first version of a serious project.

Only the short ones. :happyblush I have no problem with it tbh, but people want to try a little more before supporting.

 

[Raneth]

I remember a interview i read a long time ago, were microsoft admitted that without pirates windows would never gotten so big, you wanna write an essay? you pirate word in school. This leads to a lot of peoples who only knows how to use your software, and why software companies give "students license" for little to no money, and turn a blind eye to pirates (microsoft/autodesk/adobe could fuck pirates big time if they want to). Ofcouse this is games we are talking about, and not software environment and you will lose sale due too piracy, but you will also get exposure.

 

[Pepper Dom Nisio]

just don't justify it

 

[Raneth]

I'm probably repeating some sentiments here, but the current offering of games is all over the place in many ways, but largely with quality. We've talked about it at length in other threads, so I won't belabor the point here, but I ragequit out of a lot of games on here when they become a giant grindfest. So I'm not really thrilled with the prospect of paying for these unknown quantities. Even a demo or whatever is freely available direct from the dev might not give you a full view of what the game is actually like. It would be pretty easy to front-load a game and make it seem like it's good then have it become a mess later on. As others have said, most of these games aren't even finished. What that means from game to game, again, varies wildly. Some unfinished games have plenty to do, other stop right before it seems like things are going to pick up. (Maybe you can fuck her in the next update? Find out soon! trololol)

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I will freely admit that i have pirate games that i like and would like to support, and steam actually help me in a getting reason to.

 

[freedom.call]

you will lose sale due too piracy, but you will also get exposure.

And you'll also make money, from people who probably would never find the game without piracy...or this site.

 

[DarthSeduction]

I know piracy is bad blabla but are do we really hurt the devs that much? I don't want to be ungrateful but like 70% of the games don't worth the time or the money. I know creating a game is hard when you have zero experience but making an incest/mc/school game isn't finding the "hot water". I really enjoy 2 games only and skip the rest. I really don't care that much about the fancy pixels but the story.
I am pretty sure a lot of devs that care about their games come here to read the comments and to improve something. Aren't we like a free QA? How much the piracy actually hurting the devs?

So, way to make yourself out to be a total jerk, while pointing out something that no one's complaining about. Yes, you guy's do help us. By your mere existence we get the exposure we need to actually sell our product. Some few developers don't take the time to playtest their releases and use you as Q&A as well, but not nearly as many as you're making it out to be. The real service this community provides is giving us free advertising. Without this we don't really have any hope of that. Patreon has removed us from their search results, and usually finding our patreon, even through google requires you to know our production names and not just the game's.

That said, the way you worded all of this makes you sound incredibly ungrateful. Your weird metaphor about hot water aside, congratulations on insulting literally everyone who's ever made a game with your lack of understanding of literally anything about making them. Here's a question, are you supporting those two games you really enjoy? Because if not, then all you've done is prove that you're not helping the devs out. If your point is that games that you don't find worth paying for shouldn't be paid for then congratulations on understanding how the market works, but if you're not paying for the games you do appreciate, especially when it's so few, your agurment becomes a pile of trash because you're simply justifying your status as a leecher.

Long story short, yes, devs like that there is a pirate community that allows their games to get exposure, however everything you said in your comment just makes you sound like a selfish jerk.

 

[Raneth]

And you'll also make money, from people who probably would never find the game without piracy...or this site.

very true, but if you look at a game with HUGE exposure (which porn game never will get), they legit loose money from piracy.

 

[pornpanda]

How much the piracy actually hurting the devs? -75% of their income !
f95zone is free advertisement for them there is few Devs that they are not in f95(or their game is not) and they are making money

 

[ineedaname555]

In the long run piracy helps the devs whether they want to admit it or not.

 

[freedom.call]

very true, but if you look at a game with HUGE exposure (which porn game never will get), they legit loose money from piracy.

Yeah not saying it's perfect. I'd never hang out on Patreon paying before sampling if this place wasn't here.