Can't it be both though? It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
Yeah, lol I can get wordy. Though in this instance it was probably done in the service of trying to be as thorough and clear as I could when explaining things so that I wouldn't cause confusion. Which still happens, so shows how good that was...
No worries or complaints. While the world would be a better place if we could communicate perfectly the first time, it doesn't always play out like that. But...we don't have to stop after one interaction. We can continue and clarify and get on the same page when/if we are still not.
I do appreciate this. As much as I don't like a lot of Avalon's more modern art with extra shlubby Sonic, and as creepy as his early art can be given how Cream especially looks like an artist's interpretation of a legit pre-teen human with a big bunny head on the body, it is nice to see something that doesn't look purely like either a pale imitation of the original art or generic AI-ified official art knockoffs. It has... "flavor" I guess?
Great! Just know that there is not guarantee of any particular style being 100% complete. Like AvalonX is not involved here...so only those original images will ever be under his style. Novaca has gotten very similar generated images, so if he keeps at it...then that core style will continue to grow under that variant. In the meantime, if SWP ever returns, then that one can grow some more, and Foxy is a beast and has made a bunch of stuff, so there is more graphically than ever before...and the goal is to add more with each release/iteration.
My issue was never with satisfying any sort of realistic context for Cream getting a belly full of hedgehog cum making her not be hungry anymore. Just that it was kind of annoying to have the "special treat" BJ treated as equivalent to any other feeding option only for it to do nothing. It's why I honestly don't even trigger that scene anymore because it feels like a waste of time. I just thought that maybe partially sating her hunger would provide some minimal utility for the scene. Or if you don't want to go down that road, then at least have that scene finish off with Sonic making Cream a meal as an automatic follow-up so that it doesn't become a matter of "I could feed Cream and be done with the hunger stuff, or I can get her to give Sonic a beej and then still have to call her back and feed her anyway."
I don't really think that realism about the nutritional value of semen has to be much of a consideration. The game itself cops to the insane porn-world logic of its situation when Amy and others realize how relentlessly horny and sexually open they all are and with stuff like the "special shower" where Sonic somehow manages to wank himself raw and cum like 4 or 5 times in short order so that he can do a 1-hedgehog bukkake scene. Making Cream at least think she's not hungry for the span of 1 or 2 added scenes because she swallowed a load of Sonic's creamy filling in the kitchen doesn't seem like that much of a stretch in the name of making one aspect of the game feel less like a chore.
And, now we're on the same page, or at least reading the same book - depending on how you want to look at it. Now, bear in mind, that scene and setup was all old code, not a conscious choice any of us working on it made. We just did not put priority in 'fixing' it...probably because (as evidenced by my response) we viewed it in the context I gave and just let it be as it was. It seems it is meant to be a sexual scene for sexual sake triggered from the meal menu because of the connotation of "eating" another person (Oral sex) but meant to not be a feeding event...and so if your purpose was to feed you could/would just use one of the other feeding options, either before or after, (as you mentioned) without seeing it as a big hindrance. That said...I'll add notes to my notes and we'll see if we make any changes...no promises at this time.
Yeah, I'm aware that the day assignments were from way back in the early days. I just feel like maybe those assignments aren't sacrosanct. It's not like we'd have to change the nature of the event, just the order they occur in to make things a little smoother/easier/more flexible for the player base.
I mean...I guess I can see "easier" in terms of easier to get if one is earlier in the week...but then that moves another one later in the week..why should one be prioritized over the other? Especially if (for example) the ones later have higher stat or other requirements...having them later should be best for possibility of getting because you have more time to build up to them. Now specifically looking at the cookie scenes, because of the rings need for 'it'....I can see saying it would be easier...but that is assuming going from starting rings and not wanting to bother earning more. With more time (it being later in the week and/or having more weeks) you have more time to earn more rings and be able to afford it, while also progressing other parts of the game including those that might need money spent...I would have to review each of the scenes and see what requirements are had vs. what you can get from them to see if the order is "easiest"/best (to my eye) before making a judgement call other than what we have done so far, which was leave them as they are with additional chances in the second week, and
Flexible at least makes sense...you want the player to have a choice over those scenes...though at some point you risk de-valuing everything if you always have access to everything whenever and wherever and however you want it. That is not how life works...we often have to make sacrifices to get things we want, and interestingly...I am pretty sure psychologically...they actually have more meaning when earned than when just handed to us.
Smoother you will have to clarify though...I mean...admittedly...I do not know the logic that was given to those things back then...and it may have more to do with the unwritten content they originally meant to add perhaps, or it could have just been whatever came into AvalonX's brain...I won't try to even guess at that...but maybe its the wording of smoother, but it doesn't seem any smoother to me if you change the order, unless they led into each other directly...(not really) or were requirements for each other (again not so much) and didn't have variables relating to "how far along you might be at the time (would have to check each one individually to speak specifically on each.)
Fair point about the spoiler tagged bit though. I didn't know that because I honestly rarely play the game to the completion of the week since the endings have hardly ever changed significantly. So if that solves some of the problem about the timing of events and not having enough time to make use of them, then that's fine.
Well..I know that new ending content is on the docket for a 1.0 version. Currently, there are only placeholders form them with code pointing to the old ones until the new ones are written. That wont be done for a while, as it is still being worked on how much content is going to be attempted to be added - specifically mystery story content most of which is just hinted at at the moment. (And we don't have much of anything to go off of from the original...so its all new and having to be made up.)
I feel like maybe I wasn't clear with what I meant. I'm not saying that the scene should be identical upon repetition. I don't want it to always feel like the first time (which, honestly, already happens with a bunch of other scenes. There are a bunch of instances of Cream freaking out and running away if Sonic blows his load in a shared setting like while sitting on the couch, even if she's been reamed in every hole imaginable 6 times that very day. Or the aforementioned bathroom pee-gasm scenes with Cream can always be repeated by fleeing from the pool but always unfolds as if it's the very first time every time).
Ah but see...the moment you want a scene not to be the same when repeated, you add another chunk of work to the game. Either a scene has to be written for every possible entry/exit/set of scores and stats/character involved, etc. Or...decisions have to be made about what can and cannot happen (at all) what can and cannot be repeated, and how much extra content is there to make sure it flows, or is not nonsensical etc. Now..don't get me wrong...the player experience is better the more you put into things like that, totally fair...but it also means that much more work for each and every scene. Often we are pushed into a situation of asking...what is x,y,z change WORTH against how much work it takes to achieve it. Often, if we can get things to 80% good with a fair amount of work, instead of 90% good with a whole lot of work, instead of 95% with a shit-ton of work, instead of 97% with working ourselves to death over it...we'll stick to somewhere in the 85% area...because theres a lot of diminishing returns and lack of real value. That said...at the risk of being a broken record...again...there is a lot of content that was written pre any of our involvement....I think this all fall sin that category, and TBH, no one set out to re-do every scene already in the game...I am a 'special case' coming into it wanting to change one scene specifically...and no one put up a fight about it, and even so...we left the original in the game.
What I was saying is that i dislike that the one-off scene is the only way to get a one-on-one Sonic/Cream deepthroat scene. There is no alternative or "non-first-time" variant. It makes sense that Sonic can't take Cream's virginity a bunch of times over. But this is more like if once Cream has sex for the first time Sonic could never have sex with her again at all except if you invite Sally over.
That does not sound correct to me. I will have to dig through the code and find the scene in question...if there is some broken code that makes it so you can't do much of what you should after one scene...that would be called a bug to me and we would want to fix it..even if the scene itself was not story wise changed and still "always read like a first time scene." Maybe in my time in the game I never got to said scene and never expereinced a "sexual lockout" like it sounds like you are describing...but then..no one else has mentioned it either to my awareness...so I have to assume you are the first one.
That's fair. As I said before I will look into providing something
Also fair. I will consider what I can tinker with and make work. And I would take into account what could be pulled off with existing or minimal additional art assets. The things that are present actually do provide a lot of opportunities to at least be used as "good enough" placeholder art that wouldn't need new content until there was time or motivation to make new stuff.
Well...then they might start liking you better than the current writer...the current writer has gone way out in left field sometimes creating things that there are no images for and likely never were in the minds eye of AvalonX or otherwise.
I guess the answer is... "both"? I want to help if I can get some of the stuff I have ideas about in the game and if time ends up permitting then also help beyond that. But that comes with the caveat that I would probably be of no help for things that I have zero interest in. You bring up reducing the rapeyness of the Tails scene. That's a good example: if there was other rapey content that people wanted that would not be something I would feel comfortable doing and my work would suffer as a result. I also would probably not be the best person to do totally gay/bi content because male/male stuff isn't really in my wheelhouse (which is probably a little weird considering I once pitched a complex, branching version of the Tails visit and playing in the pool that could've ended with Sonic and Tails interacting in the bathroom in a non-rapey context. I think I could probably write it if necessary, but would likely feel better if someone who has a vested interest in that sort of content did it instead just so that it's handled by someone that flavor of content appeals to).
I imagine my "in" would be in doing some things I have particular ideas about and then deciding from there if it's desired for me to continue and figuring out how I could contribute.
But this is all hypothetical at this moment. I have no idea if or when I'll be able to deliver anything talked about just based on not knowing when I could clear my schedule and find time to work on this. I don't want ot sound like I'm 100% on board with helping and doing work and then nothing happens and people think I flaked. I would honestly say that right at this very moment it's more likely that I provide nothing of value than it is that I end up becoming a contributor to the game.
Feel free to reach out by DM if you think you have time/want to do it, and that way you can synch up with what is currently "being planned"/actvely written instead of just adding random stuff...(not that it would be bad, just theres a difference in adding just for pandering sake and content that flows with/integrates into/helps progress story/etc.)
Now...Don't worry about being asked to write something outside your wheelhouse. It is recognized that the games primary focuse is Sonic/Cream (M/F) and interactions with the other ladies from the game universe. Original content of the game had the Tails scene and hinted at Knuckles scenes, and had the threesome achievements, and so it was decided in the spirit of the original, these would be kept/expanded upon/added to the game even though they had M/M content. Someone with interest in content of that sexual nature wrote it, and no one else has been asked to write or create anything they don't like to my knowledge. At worst, someone has had to write things they truly know nothing about because they have no expereince, but in the absence of having someone for sure that has the experience, (who has the willingness to write it and/or code it) for every possible scene/action/idea/content...sometimes we have to make do with what we have, or nothing will get done.
I do see the value in helping people find their way through the game. But actually writing a comprehensive guide would be a fool's errand given how complex a lot of those options are. It's easy to say "this is the one way you can get the deepthroat achievement" but much harder when there's so many ways to get Cream's dress or panties off, some of which are part of long chains of decisions that can unfold in multiple ways.
I think the closest you'd ever get to a guide for this game is either just people asking questions and getting answers as required in this or similar threads, or maybe a "here's one way and only one way to progress through the game. There are alternatives" guide which only charts one path and one option for any given multiple choice achievement/flag just so that people who are stuck can know a way to get past a potential roadblock.
Yes and no. Foxy had a pretty strong way to get to certain specific stat levels for instance from an old version that opened MANY doors once you reached that point..and tok advantage of loopholes etc. in the code. Unfortunately..many of the loohles have been fixed by key game changes that "make sense" so it is no longer viable in the same way. I see that as "the closest"...but I tink just having a place like this where the truly lost can be helpded into their degenerate ways... is going to be the "best" in the long term, even if some like me don't just spoon fed them the answer every time.
I only thought they were placeholders because I could swear in the code for those scenes there was as note at the beginning that said they were only there for now to allow for the achievement to be obtained. So I guess I didn't mean "placeholder" in the sense of "will be replaced with something entirely different eventually" but more like "does not necessarily represent the final intended product and are presented in their current limited fashion just so that there's something."
Ah, well...notes in the code are not meant to be seen by the end user/players...they are notes meant for internal development, and thus the meaning is within that context. Pretty sure I wrote that note...and it was wirtten when other things were being discussed, more scenes, expansion of other character arcs etc. things that may or may not have come into being, and may or may not ever come into being...and we just never went back to remove that note. Emphasis was put on finishing things left unfinished from the original...such as the threesomes you could never get because they were not written, but were in the achievement list, thus we knew they were intended in the spirit of the original game...so minimum....we needed those scenes to fill that, and then IF more was to be written, or replacements for that scenes because they are better...(remember me mentioning writers having to write without experience?...The one writing those scenes has regrettably never had a threesome of any kind.)...then they could be done so, knowing that this chucnk was all there was for that achievemnt.
As far as I understand from looking at the code for the journal and the point system, the code already tracks the number of times a given scene that would score points happens. It's just that it only displays as the point totals. So all that would be needed is to tweak the display code to delete the multiplication by point values. I don't have the game/code open in front of me to actually provide specific examples. I could potentially do that in the next couple of days.
And yeah, not everything seems to track properly yet. IIRC Sonic fingering Cream on the couch during the "grown-up movie" scene you can get when the characters are in their underwear doesn't necessarily trigger the "fondled Cream" achievement and may or may not add everything it should to the score system.
Fixing that seems like a down-the-line, last thing to do before a major version release where you have a master list of all the scenes in teh game and get some people to beta test all of them to see that their flags and score elements behave correctly and as expected. In other words, not really an immediate concern over other more pressing things.
There are several places where the scores are not properly tied to the written scenes. We may not be aware of all of them, but the intention will be to go through and add those little snippets of code in a future iteration. For example...all the new threesome scenes don't trigger the key score increases, because the writer did not know ENOUGH about the code and all the inner workings to put them in, and no one else went through every line of code written there (guests file over doubled in size if memory serves for example) to make sure every little things was accounted for. Now, that wrier knows more, and tries to think about those things at the time of writing, it slows things down now, but makes for less fixes after the fact. It is a balancing act.
Can't it be both though? It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
Literally just because it was amusing this way. In the set of things we truly care about in the game, it is very low on the list...if people want it back to MILF, its a single letter change, and we can do that really easily. just like fixin my typos.
Can't it be both though? It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
Literally just because it was amusing this way. In the set of things we truly care about in the game, it is very low on the list...if people want it back to MILF, its a single letter change, and we can do that really easily. just like fixin my typos.
It was originally left MILF (Which you have probably heard of/are familiar with) and was adapted to RILF keeping the "I'd like to Fuck/I Like to Fuck" in place but changing to 'Rabbit' instead of 'Mom' because: Vanilla...even though she is a Mom too and that fits in this context. It was meant to be a funny change.
