VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

Yeah, Zoey's mother is delighted with her daughter leaving her. She doesn't need her daughter at all or her daughter's departure adds no worries to her at all.

Her mum was sad and happy for her. Like all parents when their children leave home. A parent who doesn't want a child to leave would be narcissistic.

The interlude was not only bad, was unnecessary. With a third of work and time, DPC could have just packed that material in a couple of flashbacks and we could have already the real update.

None of the game is necessary. It's entertainment. There are all sorts of scenes that various people don't like, so should they not have been made? I don't like Bella, therefore by your logic, I am now qualified to state as a fact that Bella's scenes were all unnecessary and should not have been made.

If you find attractive a narcissistic brat... I'm not going to repeat my previous post about why she's like that, you can read them. Yeah, attractive is subjective, you can find attractive a wooden log. But the facts that DPC let us know about Zoey are objective.

The facts are objective, and you've misinterpreted them as narcissism. An adult child leaving home is not narcissism. An adult that makes it difficult for them to leave is a narcissist. Lucky neither Zoey nor her mom are narcissist. Her mom's only concern was that Zoey was making a mistake, her mom wasn't in need for her daughter to stay.

If most of your writing is based in clichés, that's lazy writing. And people is not "crying", it's called criticizing. That's you being (again) a smartass.

The clichéd characters are stepping stones to flesh out better characters, it just speeds things along. Given the upset of some people about the Interlude (i.e. Zoey's little backstory), imagine if DPC didn't rely on clichéd characters and just spent years giving us the back stories of al the cast?

Which way would you prefer it? Spend countless development time on backstories, or fast track with clichés?

Great, captain obvious.

If what I said was obvious, how can you sit there and say DPC should have made her more attractive? Either you understand that she may be attractive to others, even if you don't like her (in which case you wouldn't have suggested that DPC make her more attractive as you would understand she just isn't to your taste), or you don't understand that, hence the reason you made your original point.

So no, it didn't seem obvious at all.

People is rating the interlude, not the entire game. The interlude has delayed the game for months, that's a fact. Creating a full update with music, minigames and all is way more work and time than just an update. That's a fact.

Except they're not. When they rate this thread, they are rating the entire game, Episodes 1 - 8 & Interlude. There isn't a seprate thread. When season 3 is done, any ratings are for the entire game up until that point.

Perhaps you misunderstood my reference to rating, but I'm talking about the official rating people can give to the thread (from 1 - 5 stars). It's for the entire game up until now.

And DPC fanboys are been going on about how great this game is, without seeing the flaws of the writing and character design. Are you guys going bananas too?

It's unquestionably up there with the best games of this site. Of course if someone is looking for a game with more kinks, different style graphics etc., this game may not pertain to their tastes, but that doesn't make it objectively any worse.

Of course it's flawed, but the flaws are minor enough to comfortably overlook.

No, you are not, you are being a smartass. For saying an euphemism.

No seriously, I'm chill. I enjoy debating, and I'm not getting worked up about the game's direction or duration. Which was my original point.

Obviously, it was a joke. I don't know when you are going to be dead. Well, 4-8 years for a game like this one is a long time. AAA games are created in less time, and usually are complete when they are released in the market.
People have right to think that waiting times are long enough without an unnecessary delay because an unnecessary interlude, and it doesn't mean that waiting is causing serious distress to anybody. That's only you being, again, a smartass.

People have a right to think whatever they want, but they often have a poor gauge of what's involved. A triple A game can have thousands of people working on it. This game has one. The comparison is utterly void.

It's personal since it's my comments the one you were doing "fun" of. And that thing of " Now, to anyone that I've inadvertently offended, just be glad I didn't call you a bunch of cunts (term of endearment of course)" is not you being the king of comedy, but an smartass (again, euphemism)

I wasn't commenting on your posts specifically. After skimming through, I picked up on the typical anti-Interlude and anti-Zoey vibe and just wrote my thoughts down.

If you thought my post was all about you, maybe you're a narcissist?

Again: the characters exist because of the MC. Main Character. It's Main Character's story, not random characters' story. If Zoey would not be the ex of the MC, she would not even be in the game in first place. Her role is being the ex that returns, soap opera style, to disturb him. Her mere existence service the MC.

That's just simply wrong. The mc exists in a world where there are other characters, with their own stories and agendas. Of course they have to come across the mc's path to be in the story, but even that's not true since we've been getting snippets of Vinny and the mc hasn't even met him yet.

Your life is your story, but everyone in your life doesn't revolve around you. The same goes with the mc of this story. The mc is in a story, so we see mostly his perspective with a few omniscient glimpses elsewhere. But the story isn't all about him. With each prologue we see characters that may never matter again. The girl Derek fucks on the camping trip is not likely to pop up again. All the random girls that came running out doing the walk of shame in the flashback are not going to matter specifically. And possibly all of Zoey's friends won't matter in the long run either. They all exist to illustrate something at the time.

A dream of living by the beach like if it were holydays all the year is not a childish whim? Do you really think that that thing of surfing is a realistic way of life?

It was her dream to surf. It's no different to any other dream. Some people follow their dreams and become extraordinary people. Some people follow their dreams and it doesn't turn out so good. Zoey falls in the latter group. But there's a third group. People who don't follow their dreams and regret that for the rest of their lives.

Her grandma is a terrible influence for Zoey, since she only says to her what she wants to listen, and not what she needs to listen. It's the mother the one that tries to be that, a mother that not only says to her "you are special, follow your dreams, even if they are childish and idiotic" but real good advices like "you are too young to drink alcohol" or "you should finish your studies even if right now you are bored of that". And that's why Zoey dumps her and goes away. She's a brat that only listens to what she wants to hear

I don't agree with any of that. If everyone decided they shouldn't follow their dreams because some wet blanket says they are idiotic, we'd still be in the stone age. You may not be a fan of surfing, but there are so many dreams that people can follow that can lead to very fulfilling experiences. Just because you're not interested in it, it doesn't mean it's a pointless exercise.

And alcohol? She was 18. More than half the world accepts that as a legal age, and a number of US states too, so it's not like she was a 10 year old trying to get wasted.

She could have stayed with her mother in a bad moment for her, and could have appreciated what she had with the MC before loosing it. She doesn't because she's a narcissistic brat.

She was there for the funeral, what do you expect of her after that? Her mom had a husband. How long by your rules does Zoey have to stay? An extra week, month, 6-months, year? Reading between the lines, her mom was both sad and happy to see her daughter head off on her own, and concerned that she was making a mistake, but she still wanted Zoey to live her life. That's a healthy parent perspective.

Her choices are the ones of a narcissistic brat, if you stop looking at her tits and think a bit about it.

No, I don't agree at all. You just say it like it's a fact, but nothing you've suggested even points to that. You're hung up on her leaving her mom? Do you have kids? Would you expect them to live with you until they're married or something? Maybe its cultural for you, but from where I come from, a child leaving the home to forge their own life is a good thing. And parents are there to give advice (not force it) and help out if shit goes wrong (not every launch is successful).

She even thought that the MC could leave his father and his studies to follow her to her (no MC's) dream... How narcissistic is that?

And they'd talked about travelling before. Obviously the mc had no reason to bail on his studies, so yeah, he wasn't gonna do that. But joining her later is totally reasonable if they wanted to travel together. You talk about him leaving his father like his father was an invalid or something. Once again, there's nothing wrong with an adult son leaving his family to start his own path in life. When would you suggest the mc should leave his dad?

Yeah, she actually returned because of, I don't know, Derek for example. She's thinking that the MC has continued with his life and probably has another girlfriend, so she's thinking in just catch up with him in from of a cup of coffee or something, and return with her life.

She returned because her family and friends were back home, and that included the mc.

People get tattoos and blue hair because they want to be different. Is a cry of attention "7.000.000.000 of people in the world, but look at meeee... I'm different, I have my own personality, I'm not with the herd". And to let that clear that, they follow a trend...

Is that how you felt when you got a tattoo, and when you dyed your hair? People do those things because they like it. I like tattoos. Probably influenced by my brother, but you can't even see my tattoos unless I take my shirt off. I'm not running around saying, "Look at me!"

I don't know your brother or his girlfriend. Probably they are better people that you. But tattoos and blue hair don't add to their personalities.

You don't even know me, so what the fuck are you talking about?

Yeah, totally. To get a lot of huge tattoos and piercings because she meets people with tattoos and piercings is exactly what people with her own personality does, not what an influenceable brat without personality would do.

Unless you've been tattooed, you probably can't understand what it feels like to have it done, especially one that take a long time to complete.

She's just the lesbian quota the same way the other guy (I don't even remember the name) is the gay quota. Because it's 2022 and if you create four new characters, at least two of them must be gay even if that doesn't add shit to the story of those characters, to demonstrate you are not an homophobe and don't risk that your product falls into cancel culture. Or just DPC following the mainstream, I don't know.

I'm thinking Jenna was bi. That last paragraph of yours is straying into JAL territory...

 

[Deleted member 3788572]

Jillybean is smart and never skips leg day. Be like Jillybean.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Jillybean is smart and never skips leg day. Be like Jillybean.

Essential for crushing watermelons

 

[Deleted member 3788572]

Essential for crushing watermelons

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Inb4 Jill comes into Tybalt's room late at night, takes the melon out of the drawer, puts a picture of him onto it and chrushes it right infront of his eyes.

 

[italianstallionxxx]

the game fails because for now 2 seasons the mc was searching himself, and another partner.
and now dpc for REASONS adds another character to the mix. its lame.
also playing other games being a dik writing is not good enough after what like 3 years?
at this point i want it to end fast and on a good note instead of dragging on like its doing now. 1 years between ep-8 and 9 is bad planning and writing.

 

[shazba]

the game fails because for now 2 seasons the mc was searching himself, and another partner.
and now dpc for REASONS adds another character to the mix. its lame.
also playing other games being a dik writing is not good enough after what like 3 years?
at this point i want it to end fast and on a good note instead of dragging on like its doing now. 1 years between ep-8 and 9 is bad planning and writing.

My advice is take out a piece of paper, draw two stick characters, one with tits, make them hold hands and the write: THE END.

Then you can imagine your mc ended up with the girl of his dreams, and you don’t have to wait several years for the real story to end.

Of course, you can even mix it up, you’re not limited with how many stick figures you add, and you don’t have to draw tits on them, that was just a suggestion.

You’re in complete control now, this ending is gonna be epic!

 

[felicemastronzo]

the game fails because for now 2 seasons the mc was searching himself, and another partner.
and now dpc for REASONS adds another character to the mix. its lame.
also playing other games being a dik writing is not good enough after what like 3 years?
at this point i want it to end fast and on a good note instead of dragging on like its doing now. 1 years between ep-8 and 9 is bad planning and writing.

give it a chance

Zoey can't be any worse than Tybalt's blackmail, which has accompanied us for the past 2 years

 

[shazba]

give it a chance

Zoey can't be any worse than Tybalt's blackmail, which has accompanied us for the past 2 years

Well played, you’ve backed me into a corner. I have no option but to disagree!

Zoey…. Could… Be… Worse… (oh fuck this hurts) than the… Tybalt… Blackmail! AAHH! OMG that was difficult!

 

[italianstallionxxx]

give it a chance

Zoey can't be any worse than Tybalt's blackmail, which has accompanied us for the past 2 years

Or the Halloween party two years in the making.
Or MC mother mistery.
Or jill sister mistery
Or Quinn stalker mistery.
The More vns i play the More hacky DPC writing seems to be lmao

 

[felicemastronzo]

Or the Halloween party two years in the making.
Or MC mother mistery.
Or jill sister mistery
Or Quinn stalker mistery.
The More vns i play the More hacky DPC writing seems to be lmao

these others are secondary themes, and they're not even necessarily mysteries that we really care about (I don't care about Lynette at all right now).

Zoey will most likely be the recurring theme of season 3, as Tybalt's blackmail was in season 2. i am not an optimist, but it can only get better

 

[soprano31]

Inb4 Jill comes into Tybalt's room late at night, takes the melon out of the drawer, puts a picture of him onto it and chrushes it right infront of his eyes.

jill enters tybalt's room and sees him taken from behind by troy while chad is sucking him.
jill'can't take it anymore,yells the mc and tommy who penetrate her at the same time as revenge.
then she yells tybalt who has to lick her ass completely clean as revenge.
with a furious jill you don't sol

 

[bardock8114]

give it a chance

Zoey can't be any worse than Tybalt's blackmail, which has accompanied us for the past 2 years

Tybalt works because he is written like an absolute joke which he is. Zoey is written as she is the most important puzzle piece in this season. And I do not like this.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Tybalt works because he is written like an absolute joke which he is. Zoey is written as she is the most important puzzle piece in this season. And I do not like this.

It's a matter of taste. a clown amuses me 10 minutes, then bores me. I at least give Zoey the benefit of the doubt

 

[hakuna-matata]

Out of curiosity, what did you guys, girls and degenerates pic for Zoey's affinity? I picked Chick for the main and Dik for the rest.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Out of curiosity, what did you guys, girls and degenerates pic for Zoey's affinity? I picked Chick for the main and Dik for the rest.

My main one is DIK Zoey for DIK MC. I wonder how the two DIK's will fit together. And that bitch Emma deserves to get her ass kicked.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Out of curiosity, what did you guys, girls and degenerates pic for Zoey's affinity? I picked Chick for the main and Dik for the rest.

"DIK" in the paths dedicated to other LIs so it will be easier to dump her

 

[hakuna-matata]

My main one is DIK Zoey for DIK MC. I wonder how the two DIK's will fit together. And that bitch Emma deserves to get her ass kicked.

She actually does. That ugly bitch scares the crap out of me. Do you imagine how many vaccines you need just to be in the same vicinity?

"DIK" in the paths dedicated to other LIs so it will be easier to dump her

I see, a man of culture! I don't expect anything less from an Italian.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

She actually does. That ugly bitch scares the crap out of me. Do you imagine how many vaccines you need just to be in the same vicinity?

I know for sure that Emma needs a rabies vaccine.
I sympathize with Bret(orange guy) if he goes out with her again. He's a good guy and deserves better than dealing with this shit every day.

 

[shazba]

I know for sure that Emma needs a rabies vaccine.
I sympathize with Bret(orange guy) if he goes out with her again. He's a good guy and deserves better than dealing with this shit every day.

It's a shame she turned out to be such a raging cunt.

 

[Astongally]

Her mum was sad and happy for her. Like all parents when their children leave home. A parent who doesn't want a child to leave would be narcissistic.

Sure. Every mother in the world wants that when she's in mourning for the passing of her own mother, her daughter of 18 leaves home alone to go to live to other city without even finishing her education, to pursue her dream of being a surfer

None of the game is necessary. It's entertainment. There are all sorts of scenes that various people don't like, so should they not have been made? I don't like Bella, therefore by your logic, I am now qualified to state as a fact that Bella's scenes were all unnecessary and should not have been made.

Bella is an attractive character. Zoey is not. DPC pretends that the player falls for that character to the point to start questioning her previous elections of Li. But she's just not interesting enough. DPC failed in making Zoey attractive, except for the tits. As simple as that.

The facts are objective, and you've misinterpreted them as narcissism. An adult child leaving home is not narcissism. An adult that makes it difficult for them to leave is a narcissist. Lucky neither Zoey nor her mom are narcissist. Her mom's only concern was that Zoey was making a mistake, her mom wasn't in need for her daughter to stay.

And adult child leaving home when the moment is correct, is not narcissism. Or if the situation at home is terrible. Zoey leaving at that moment, caring only about herself, not even finishing her education and pursuing an stupid "dream" is narcissism and the whim of a brat.

The clichéd characters are stepping stones to flesh out better characters, it just speeds things along. Given the upset of some people about the Interlude (i.e. Zoey's little backstory), imagine if DPC didn't rely on clichéd characters and just spent years giving us the back stories of al the cast?

Which way would you prefer it? Spend countless development time on backstories, or fast track with clichés?

I prefer not lazy writting.

If what I said was obvious, how can you sit there and say DPC should have made her more attractive? Either you understand that she may be attractive to others, even if you don't like her (in which case you wouldn't have suggested that DPC make her more attractive as you would understand she just isn't to your taste), or you don't understand that, hence the reason you made your original point.

So no, it didn't seem obvious at all.

It's obvious that everybody here only gives opinions.

Except they're not. When they rate this thread, they are rating the entire game, Episodes 1 - 8 & Interlude. There isn't a seprate thread. When season 3 is done, any ratings are for the entire game up until that point.

Perhaps you misunderstood my reference to rating, but I'm talking about the official rating people can give to the thread (from 1 - 5 stars). It's for the entire game up until now.

It's unquestionably up there with the best games of this site. Of course if someone is looking for a game with more kinks, different style graphics etc., this game may not pertain to their tastes, but that doesn't make it objectively any worse.

Of course it's flawed, but the flaws are minor enough to comfortably overlook.

For me, this game is a 3 of 5 stars, and I after the "interlude" I would give 2.5. Not for the kinks, but for the writing. Most of games here are zero for me, so it's not a bad rating after all. If other people think that it's 1 star, and you disagree, talk with them. I know that after four years, here only remains the hardcore fans of DPC that can't stand any criticism to this game. I'm sorry if knowing that there is people that think that this is not such a perfect game hurts your feelings and the feelings of the other people giving me facepalms, but I don't comment looking for validation.

No seriously, I'm chill. I enjoy debating, and I'm not getting worked up about the game's direction or duration. Which was my original point.

No, seriously, you are not. You leave comments trying to ridicule other's people comments, and when people react, you just say "I'm joking". That's a passive-aggressive attitude.

People have a right to think whatever they want, but they often have a poor gauge of what's involved. A triple A game can have thousands of people working on it. This game has one. The comparison is utterly void.

Yeah, and will only have one people working on it if people continue saying "don't worry about development times, just wait patiently". DPC should hire people to help him with coding or whatever. I'm sure he's doing money enough for that. But why should he if people is OK with one release per year?

I wasn't commenting on your posts specifically. After skimming through, I picked up on the typical anti-Interlude and anti-Zoey vibe and just wrote my thoughts down.

If you thought my post was all about you, maybe you're a narcissist?

Again, passive-aggressive attitude. You where not quoting me, but you were commenting my arguments with the intention of ridiculing them. And now you say that you wasn't commenting my posts. Typical anti-interlude and anti-Zoey? And what are you? Typical fanboy?

That's just simply wrong. The mc exists in a world where there are other characters, with their own stories and agendas. Of course they have to come across the mc's path to be in the story, but even that's not true since we've been getting snippets of Vinny and the mc hasn't even met him yet.

Your life is your story, but everyone in your life doesn't revolve around you. The same goes with the mc of this story. The mc is in a story, so we see mostly his perspective with a few omniscient glimpses elsewhere. But the story isn't all about him. With each prologue we see characters that may never matter again. The girl Derek fucks on the camping trip is not likely to pop up again. All the random girls that came running out doing the walk of shame in the flashback are not going to matter specifically. And possibly all of Zoey's friends won't matter in the long run either. They all exist to illustrate something at the time.

For sure. Zoey is going to catch up with the MC, then is going to return home with her mom, and we all are going to be really interested in her amazing adventures without MC's intervention. And the same goes for the rest of the characters. It's not the Main Character story. It's a slice of life of a bunch of random characters even if they are not related with the Main Character. If Sage decides to become "fuck buddy" of a random alpha or a guy of her class if the MC rejects her, we all are going to be really interested. If Jill starts dating one of her rich friends, is going to be really interesting, we all want to know everything about it. If Nicole starts dating with a client of the Pink Rose, I want to know that story. We all want to know in detail what Mona is doing right now. An interlude of Mona could be great. It's not MC's story, after all, MC only is there...

Characters exist to serve the MC's story. That's all. Vinnie serves the MC as an antagonist even if they don't know each other yet. His acts are for sure affecting the MC somehow, and in the future will affect more.

It was her dream to surf. It's no different to any other dream. Some people follow their dreams and become extraordinary people. Some people follow their dreams and it doesn't turn out so good. Zoey falls in the latter group. But there's a third group. People who don't follow their dreams and regret that for the rest of their lives.

I don't agree with any of that. If everyone decided they shouldn't follow their dreams because some wet blanket says they are idiotic, we'd still be in the stone age. You may not be a fan of surfing, but there are so many dreams that people can follow that can lead to very fulfilling experiences. Just because you're not interested in it, it doesn't mean it's a pointless exercise.

Yeah, and some people follow their dreams and regret for the rest of their lives because those dreams were idiotic or unrealizable. She knows shit about surf, but she thinks that she can make a living of that... She's an irresponsible brat.

And alcohol? She was 18. More than half the world accepts that as a legal age, and a number of US states too, so it's not like she was a 10 year old trying to get wasted.

Well, most people would think that saying to a daughter "study and finish your studies" or "don't drink alcohol at home without a reason" are good advices. Probably better than just saying to her "you are special, follow your dreams no matter if those dreams are idiotic, listen only what you want to listen"

She was there for the funeral, what do you expect of her after that? Her mom had a husband. How long by your rules does Zoey have to stay? An extra week, month, 6-months, year? Reading between the lines, her mom was both sad and happy to see her daughter head off on her own, and concerned that she was making a mistake, but she still wanted Zoey to live her life. That's a healthy parent perspective.

It's the perspective of a resigned mother who knows that his daughter is not going to listen to her anyway.

No, I don't agree at all. You just say it like it's a fact, but nothing you've suggested even points to that. You're hung up on her leaving her mom? Do you have kids? Would you expect them to live with you until they're married or something? Maybe its cultural for you, but from where I come from, a child leaving the home to forge their own life is a good thing. And parents are there to give advice (not force it) and help out if shit goes wrong (not every launch is successful).

Great, in that case, I hope that your children leave home without finishing their education to try to be surfers, or rappers, or the next Scarlett Johannsson, or some other realistic dream like those ones, and leave you alone in a rough moment for you. For sure that will be a good thing.

And they'd talked about travelling before. Obviously the mc had no reason to bail on his studies, so yeah, he wasn't gonna do that. But joining her later is totally reasonable if they wanted to travel together. You talk about him leaving his father like his father was an invalid or something. Once again, there's nothing wrong with an adult son leaving his family to start his own path in life. When would you suggest the mc should leave his dad?

I suggest the MC leave his that the moment he does. When he goes to college. Going after Zoey when he's not even interested in surfing would mean that he has no personality and he just lets herself be manipulated by a good pair of tits. For sure, MC is more mature than Zoey

She returned because her family and friends were back home, and that included the mc.

She didn't care about her friends and family a year before. But suddenly... Dude, she returns because she's has a boring job, boring friends (including a crazy bipolar bitch) and no future there.

Is that how you felt when you got a tattoo, and when you dyed your hair? People do those things because they like it. I like tattoos. Probably influenced by my brother, but you can't even see my tattoos unless I take my shirt off. I'm not running around saying, "Look at me!"

You don't even know me, so what the fuck are you talking about?

Unless you've been tattooed, you probably can't understand what it feels like to have it done, especially one that take a long time to complete.

Dude, the trend of tattoos can't be more frivolous. Time ago, to get a tattoo meant something. People used to get tattoos because they crossed Cape Horn in a sailing ship in the middle of a storm, survived a war or served time in jail. Or because they wanted to make clear that they were at the margin of society, like the punk movement in the 70s and 80s, or the yakuza.
Then, rappers wanted to look "gangsters" "badass" or whatever and started to imitate the look of people that actually have been in jail. That includes tattoos. And people in general started to imitate them because it was a trend. Now, tattoos mean nothing. Yeah, it's an stupid attempt to try to look different and special... by following a trend.

I know that you think that are "funny", but you are just a smartass (euphemism).

I'm thinking Jenna was bi. That last paragraph of yours is straying into JAL territory...

I don't care about Jenna. She's just a filler character. And the last paragraph is me not following the woke herd. I'm sorry (actually, not at all) if that upsets you or the people that gives you thumps up and facepalms to me. Again, I don't come here looking for validation. Just saying whatever I want, because I can. If you and your friends don't start a "cancel culture" campaign here, of course.