VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

Using the money DPC makes to bash the game while on a piracy site is rather stupid. Yes some people here do subscribe to his patreon, or buy the game on steam or GoG but the majority don't. If the people actually paying the money don't have a problem with the update schedule and the quality of the game (including the interlude), which given the fact he still has a fuckton of subscribers on patreon, and the comments on his updates on there, they don't, then you have no right to be outraged on their behalf.

That's not how humans work though.

If a patron isn't happy, he withdraws his support; let's his money do the talking.

If a pirate isn't happy, he whines like a little, entitled bitch!

 

[ename144]

I know what they are saying, but their underlying point is basically that DPC is just skiving off with his Patrons money, which is nonsense, and to make that point they are misrepresenting facts. It's one story, and the story teller gets to decide how to tell it.

Nonsense. I've never said that DPC is mooching money from his patrons. I'm critiquing the story he's written, and IMHO the way he structured the Interlude was a huge mistake because it focused on an irrelevant side story at the worst possible time. Insisting that everything must be fine because the Interlude has DPC's official stamp of approval is missing the point entirely. Yes, it's DPC's story to tell, but that doesn't invalidate our opinion if we think he's telling his story badly.

My point is that the Interlude is by definition *not* a normal episode. So determining whether or not to count it as 'an episode' is going to depend on context. If the topic is whether DPC was sitting on his ass instead of working on the game, the Interlude clearly counts as work. But if the topic is whether the long wait between Episode 8 and Episode 9 has been bad for the game, I think it is entirely reasonable to claim the time spent on the Interlude doesn't count (or indeed, may have made the problem worse).

 

[Melissa fan]

No, it has been almost 8 months since the last update. It's all one story.

If it is all one story then why is it not called episode 9?

 

[DEVIL18]

Sup bois
I was thinking about replaying the game from the beginning before the next update, should i download the latest version or not? And which mod should i use? Scrappy or sanchos?

 

[shazba]

Sup bois
I was thinking about replaying the game from the beginning before the next update, should i download the latest version or not? And which mod should i use? Scrappy or sanchos?

If you download the latest version you’ll lose some of the original songs as the artists have had them pulled, that’s about it.

No need for mods, if you want a girl, just choose her whenever you get the opportunity, you can’t go wrong. If you want all the girls, well, you can’t have them all, unless you install a mod that will probably break the game in the long run.

If it is all one story then why is it not called episode 9?

Because it isn’t episode 9. Episode 1 wasn’t called episode 9 for the same reason.

 

[Melissa fan]

Because it isn’t episode 9. Episode 1 wasn’t called episode 9 for the same reason.

It was still called an episode.

 

[TheOneWithThePorn12]

I dont really get complaining about DPC since its quality content and we all know what we are getting.

much better than the devs that fuck over everyone, or get burnt out or just dont talk about what they are actually doing.

 

[shazba]

I dont really get complaining about DPC since its quality content and we all know what we are getting.

much better than the devs that fuck over everyone, or get burnt out or just dont talk about what they are actually doing.

Some people were raised wrong. Every time they screamed their mommy gave them whatever they wanted right away.

They don’t understand that DPC is not their mommy and he doesn’t even give a fuck about them.

If they were in a burning house, he wouldn’t even piss on them, but he might shit in them…

Plus, he was the one that set the house on fire in the first place!

 

[felicemastronzo]

That's not how humans work though.

If a patron isn't happy, he withdraws his support; let's his money do the talking.

If a pirate isn't happy, he whines like a little, entitled bitch!

this is a very extravagant idea ...

I don't think that complaining is considered an aggravating factor in the case of piracy crime, just as in the same way praising it is not a mitigating factor.

guilt has to be overcome in a different way

 

[The Dick]

To be fair, DPC announced The Interlude as soon as he released Episode 8, and he clarified it in the very next status update, so if any patrons didn't feel like supporting it, they had every opportunity to withdraw, and many may have, but obviously his core supporters stuck with him.
So he told people what he was doing and they kept paying him; there's no scandal there. It's not like "he who shall not be named" taking payments for over a year while do absolutely nothing (once again though, those fools could have cancelled their subscriptions any time).

Oh... Don't get me wrong... I'm not accusing him any conning or scheming... I just think it was not only a bad storytelling decision but also a bad development & business decision, and since it's funded, a waste of resources... Of course his reputation is too high too be tarnished by that and probably he'll still have quite a following until the end of his épopée, but I think he's becoming indulgent and this proposition from the link you mentioned above -- "I know that the interlude will speak for itself and be both satisfying and worth playing for any fan of the game" -- proved to be untrue (unless it's a circular definition, like, a fan of the game is one who found the Interlude satisfying).

Also, the Interlude was a 1-off deviation, in the middle of a potentially 8-year project (assuming roughly 2 episodes a year, which is dubious now even). So 1.5 (or 3 even) months' deviation in an almost 100 month period really isn't something to complain about.

When you quantify like that, it seems to be nothing, but a pause of an year without an episode is a lot subjectively speaking: people start to lose interest, people start to complain, people forget about the story, people move on with their lives and so on...

 

[shazba]

When you quantify like that, it seems to be nothing, but a pause of an year without an episode is a lot subjectively speaking: people start to lose interest, people start to complain, people forget about the story, people move on with their lives and so on...

If you look back through this thread, the vocal community has changed quite a few times. And this will continue until the end. None of this matters. We like to make a big deal about it because we’re currently interested, but in the end, none of us will give a fuck, except DPC who will be very well off.

 

[The Dick]

I'm not starting any semantic debates. And update is an update. End of story. It has been ALMOST eight months since the last update. It will be around nine months, going by the reports DPC gives. If you don't like the story he is telling, don't play it. I'm guessing it's not like you are paying him anything.

Oh, yeah.. you are... either that or being cynical... I've been clear that what I'm talking about is "an update of the game we play as the MC known as Tremolo (though you can baptize him as you like) and we -- impersonating this Tremolo guy -- interact with such characters as Quinn, Sage, Lily, Jill, Josy, Maya, Bella, the DIKs, and others", which didn't happen. In fact, this that-has-been-described has a name -- it's called an episode -- and by the words of your own Lord, Mr. Dr. Pink Cake (courtesy of the link given by Shazba):

"As you saw from reaching the end of Season 2, Episode 9 is not the next update that I will release. [...] I have planned for a special part of the game that I have chosen to call 'Interlude - Riding the Waves.'"

Thus, you can't deny that we're almost an year without an episode, otherwise you'll be committing the heresy of contradicting your own Lord!

And you're bringing the semantic debate -- arguing about the meaning of the signifier "update" instead of what I'm talking about. It's like I've said "I'm about a year without eating apples" and you go "oh, no! You ate a pear seven months ago!" Dude... I'm not talking about pears... And don't blaspheme against your Lord... He said the Interlude is not an episode... Bow down and abide...

And by the way... I paid for the Season 1 on Steam, for the walkthrough, I liked it a lot so I bought what was released on Patreon (up to episode 7 back then) and supported until the release of episode 8. When I didn't like the way it turned out, I stopped my support, because that's how democracy works: I like it, I pay; I don't like it, I don't pay.

It's one story, and the story teller gets to decide how to tell it.

Yeah... And the audience decides how to appreciate it... And the critics decide how to criticize it... That's how the world works... "My body, my rules" as they (no pun intended) say...

It's their [SIC] work, and it isn't up to you to decide what matters.

Again... You're wrong... It's up to him decide what matters for him, but it's up to me decide what matters for me, though I think I'm freer in that decision since I'm not the owner of a business. Any sound businessman must also consider what matters for his clientele, and when he doesn't -- when he acts like a spoiled obnoxious indulgent child, not giving a damn about what his clientele think and thinking he's an "artist" whose "art" must be appreciated by all no matter what --, that's when things start to go south and people go bankrupt. Maybe now he's too big too fall, but tomorrow never knows...

 

[znar25]

That said, given how long we've waited for the Halloween event, I'd expect it should be a spectacle.

No matter how many years it takes.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Oh... Don't get me wrong... I'm not accusing him any conning or scheming... I just think it was not only a bad storytelling decision but also a bad development & business decision, and since it's funded, a waste of resources... Of course his reputation is too high too be tarnished by that and probably he'll still have quite a following until the end of his épopée, but I think he's becoming indulgent and this proposition from the link you mentioned above -- "I know that the interlude will speak for itself and be both satisfying and worth playing for any fan of the game" -- proved to be untrue (unless it's a circular definition, like, a fan of the game is one who found the Interlude satisfying).



When you quantify like that, it seems to be nothing, but a pause of an year without an episode is a lot subjectively speaking: people start to lose interest, people start to complain, people forget about the story, people move on with their lives and so on...

Hello there. I want to share the opinion that you exaggerate the negative consequences of the Interlude. If your only fan resource for the game is F95, then I can understand that. You are in an opinion bubble. There is a very large alarm group that panics for any reason. F95 is generally a unique resource with a large number of "gamers in a rage." I subscribe to several BaDIK resources such as Reddit, Steam and even a Youtube music channel. There is no such drama because of the Interlude. There are people who did not like it, but according to my personal observations, everything is okay there.
I am not subscribed to his Patreon and Discord, but the people who are there said that the audience calmly accepted the Interlude. And also I'm not sure about "falling interest" and "bad business decision". Patrons count is stable at 11.5-13.5k for a long time after Ep.8. Of course, there is a decrease in subscribers after the release of Ep.8 - at the time of release there were 15k and then sit in the development cycle. But that's okay - people subscribe for a month the moment a new episode comes out. I think when Ep.9 comes out, there will be a big increase again.
So I'm sure a lot of us over-dramatize the Interlude and it's not worth the shit storm that's going on. In 5-7 weeks we will all forget about it.

UPD:I'd be worried about far more important issues than the Interlude. For example, the animation production speed in Ep.9. 1.1/day - very slow, this speed was before Ep.6. And the game has grown a lot. I think he needs to do something about this problem.

 

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[Kellermann]

a pause of an year without an episode is a lot subjectively speaking: people start to lose interest, people start to complain, people forget about the story, people move on with their lives and so on...

That is part of the reason I am peacing out of this one. My limit is about 6mo (which is probably too unrealistically brief for current day AVNs, but I just don't have the ability to maintain interest in a story over long period of time). After 6mo or so, I start losing interest exponentially. I am the same way with regular novels as I am visual novels (Hello GRRM )

i don't really dwell on Interlude stuff (is it / isn't it debate). I played it quickly one time and meh. It is ancient history to me now. Haven't touched BaDIK since then, even to replay the fantastic s1.

But even if the production times somehow quicken, I have other issues with the game that I don't think are going to improve.
I find the the new style of animations (as described by the dr himself) annoying. I doubt I will even be able to enjoy this as a purely fap game if he goes all in on these bizarre animations. Absolutely loathe auto-switching angles within one animation clip. Looping a specific type of movement then advancing to the next, at the initiation of the player, is preferable. Player control is supposed to be a feature of AVNs, especially during lewds.

I also did not enjoy the latter half of season 2. DPC is leaning more into the drama aspects that defined his work in AL and I thoroughly disliked everything about that production. Add to that the mysteries that never seem to be solved after two seasons (but could be by MC just asking a simple question) and

Another issue I have is that I am not interested in any of the 5 main LIs. That is a bit of a problem in an AVN. Especially when you consider that the side girls are not guaranteed content every episode. We got next to nothing with Cammy in an entire episode. Couple that with a long production time and you may have to go 2 years before you get content with a girl you like. Can't do it any longer. Season 1 is still to me one of the best AVN experiences I've had and nothing will diminish that, but I can see where this train is going and I'm content to step off and leave it with happy memories before it becomes AL part 2 for me.

 

[scarp1]

I don't mind the long wait with this game as you know it will be packed with content and lots of story, different paths etc. to play through.
Plenty of other good games out there that have long waits and even longer in some cases and you don't feel confident the update will be a big one with lots of stuff and tend to disappoint

Yes would be great to have quicker updates but if I had the choice between 2 shorter updates or one huge one over 8 or so months I would take the longer wait.
4-6 weeks and I think we will have it out.

 

[chainch]

thank you

 

[BorgiaBou]

I like the fact that a lot of ppl "forget" that this update will have a lot of joint content, again JOINT CONTENT... not like all the paths are made to have only independently content... so funny...