VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[dalli_x]

No, it isn't rape, the MC did at no point stop her or even tried to do so.
There is quite literally a choice to stop her (which he does) and one to let her continue, which is means the MC is fine with what happens.
Just because you don't get explicit permission doesn't mean it is rape, if the other party is trying to stop you and you continue then it is.

Maya wasn't forced, she did what she did cause she want's free tuition, she could have said no or stoped at any point.

He did not agree to the Cum Petition at any time. He agreed to become a DIK, but not to the Cum Petition. Facts fulfilled.

How was the MC supposed to stop Quinn? He was tied up. If he tells Quinn to stop, this is what comes.

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Look at the MC's body language. It clearly shows a negative attitude.

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Maya's distress was exploited by Quinn. Quinn didn't know exactly why Maya needed the tuition, but she knew so Maya would need money. It is clearly written in EP1 so that Quinn planned to strengthen her restaurant with Camila and Maya. Ergo, Quinn knew so that Maya would need the money and thus could exert pressure, which she did. In EP2 you can read that Maya had to do a different initiation than the other girls and Quinn, Melanie and Sarah wanted to watch. Given that Maya was not supposed to warn the MC, it was actually a form of surveillance from the girls present.

The facts are written.

Maya is a victim of Quinn
Please, she knew that Quinn is a bitch and lies and she put herself in the situation she is in, again she could leave at any point.
Her making poor choices and believing a ridiculous rumor does not make her a victim, she chooses this.
I have more sympathy with Quinn and her background than for Maya in this situation.

Of course Maya is a victim. First by Patrick, who puts Maya in a situation that Quinn wants to take advantage of. Maya didn't know what she was getting into with Quinn. Quinn hasn't told her yet, not until she goes through initiation. Quinn knowingly withheld information. I don't think so Maya would have done all that if she had known beforehand that the tuition was only available for prostitution.

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When the MC warns Maya about Quinn, Maya's first reaction was the following.
"Evil? Come on, she's just a bit...rough around the edges."
Maya knew next to nothing about Quinn. She did hear in high school so HOTs are supposed to be sluts, but that doesn't include so there is prostitution at HOTs.

In summary, it is clearly evident so that Quinn intentionally deceived Maya and victimized her by withholding important information that would have been relevant to decision making.

You can write what you want, but facts are facts.

 

[The Glorious LIME]

I don't follow. If you don't like "cheating hoes" and don't care about their emotional and life states etc then how comes you think you have no reason to dunk on Josy who literally fucks the MC behind her "boyfriend's" back?

It's enough for me not be invested in Josy's route. But at least Josy is funny character. And since the game forces interactions with everyone by design, I at least find the Josy interactions funny at times. Like standing on her fingers besides Sage.
And Josy has attitude, does her own thing.

Maya is a complete train wreck and she's nothing without the MC the rest of teh characters.
Josy can stand on her own.

So yeah, I'm not a fan of Josy, but I find lot less to dunk on there.
Tbh, we can waste time in me explaining my personal views, but won't change that Maya is the least likeable character in the game FOR ME. And I'm clearly not alone in this feeling.

So, it's alright for everyone to enjoy and shitpost what they like.
And not take thing personally. It's just a game at the end of the day.
Who cares who likes who.

 

[Blue Milk]

Everyone who I replied to was talking about Maya's personality, how she has to rely on others to EVERYTHING and she is always crying and even Josy is tired of her. And she is someone who has always to be helped.

So, this is one of these comments and all-too-common regurgitated points about Maya that I see as negative confirmation bias. People see 1 or 2 things and then blow it out of all proportion by conflating what they see to apply it everywhere even when that's not the case. Like the constant "she's always crying thing". She only does it like 4 times in the whole game if you're not on her path and 3 times if you are; Ep 2 after the cumpetition, Ep 4 when talking to the MC, Ep 5 if not on the path and you go to her after Pete's visit, and Ep 7 after Patrick shows up and Josy has to leave the dorm. That's it. And every time, it's for legitimate emotionally driven reasons.

Meanwhile, Josy cries a lot too, yet nobody ever brings that up. She cries in Ep 2 during the date, she also cries in Ep 4 when talking to the MC, she cries in Ep 5 if you go with her and aren't on her path, she cries in Ep 7 after the Patrick incident if you're not on her path, and she cries in Ep 9. Bella also cries, Jill cries, Sage cries, but no, nobody seems to care about that, do they? They all just pile on Maya like she's the only girl in the whole game who shows emotion and as if it's some great sin and massive character flaw for a person to feel sad when something hurts them.

Also I think you said she tried to do things for herself to deal with her situation and the HOTs pledge was her way of trying to fix it.
But did she ever try to understand where the money comes from? She would pledge to the HOTs and the money would magically appear?

It's not that hard to imagine that she assumed it was a scholarship program, which is what it sounds like from the outset. She'd also likely know that the HOTs do a lot of charity work, so one could make the assumption that it's predicated on doing such charitable work which I'm sure she would not have been averse to do given her desire to go into social work.

She needs helps from everyone. before College, it was probably Derek who always helped her. In college it is always someone else. Besides the tuition Rumor, which other action did she take to solve her problem by herself?

We don't see every moment of her life, so we don't know. There's also a huge time gap in Ep 7 after the HOTs pledging falls through, so we don't know what other avenues or solutions she and Josy may have explored because that episode largely steps away from them.

I don't follow. If you don't like "cheating hoes" and don't care about their emotional and life states etc then how comes you think you have no reason to dunk on Josy who literally fucks the MC behind her "boyfriend's" back?

Thank you!

I see this so often and it drips with hypocrisy; people who say they don't like cheats yet still like Josy. She can literally fuck the MC whilst still with Maya. People just see Maya unavoidably kiss him a couple of times and claim she's the real "cheat", but in reality, both are to some extent, but there are mitigating circumstances. Particularly, when we get to the Maya scene in Ep 3, that doesn't qualify, in my opinion, because Maya believes her relationship with Josy is over at this point because she takes Josy's "ghosting" to mean that she has finally gone through with her plan to run away and start a new life elsewhere. So Maya no feels like she's free to explore her feelings for the MC, and that's what this is.

 

[ffive]

And Josy has attitude, does her own thing.

Maya is a complete train wreck and she's nothing without the MC the rest of teh characters.
Josy can stand on her own.

It's a pretty weird take, given the entire early part of the game with Maya & HOTs, together with her tuition problems is a result of Maya "doing her own thing" and trying to stand on her own, i.e. trying to go to college to have her relationship her father disapproves of and then trying to find a way out of that on her own by joining HOTs etc. Like, the other characters don't even enter this picture until few episodes in.

Am not trying to change your views, it's just always fascinating to me to see this level of (different) bias when perceiving characters. Like that other guy who was complaining about Maya being selfish while he's a Quinn stan and apparently doesn't mind selfishness all that much when it's a different character. So it's just interesting to hear explanations of such opinions from people.

 

[Harveztrau]

Congratulation on finishing the game!!!
Master/Feather

 

[Deleted member 4654353]

He did not agree to the Cum Petition at any time. He agreed to become a DIK, but not to the Cum Petition. Facts fulfilled.

"Facts ?". None of them "agreed" for the Cumpetition, none of the pledges asked for being kidnapped, tied to a chair, and having a girl performing dry humping. Furthermore, even if the MC refuses to be tested, Tommy replies "Fuck you, you're still gonna be tested" and no one in the room left a finger despite MC's discomfort. His consent doesn't matter in the slighest. Technically, the three candidates have been physically and sexually abused and Tommy, all the DIKs & guests are accomplices. If the game was realistic, they all would be expelled or in jail. Porn logics, what you consider "rape" is irrelevant here.

 

[ffive]

"Facts ?". None of them "agreed" for the Cumpetition, none of the pledges asked for being kidnapped, tied to a chair, and having a girl performing dry humping.

You're saying the exact same thing dalli_x is saying. That's what they mean by "facts" -- that it wasn't voluntary.

 

[Blue Milk]

If you hate cheaters, which is your right, I wonder which girl you prefer in BaDIK because actually most of the characters lie, hide or cheat in some form.

Please don't get me wrong. I personally don't like liars and cheaters either, but I differentiate for myself why there was lying, hiding and cheating. If there is a good reason for it that I can understand, I can also forgive.

Right, nuance and context do matter. Some cheat maliciously, which is to say that they can't keep their libido in check and fuck everything they can even though they have someone waiting for them at home. But there's also relationships that fall apart, people grow apart, or there's alienation of affection. Yes, ideally a person should end such a relationship before starting something with someone else, but it's not always that simple.

As the saying goes, you just sometimes have to "shoot your shot" when the opportunity comes along, and particularly for those people in bad relationships, this can mean taking a chance with someone else if it feels right, and that's pretty much what M&J do.

It's a pretty weird take, given the entire early part of the game with Maya & HOTs, together with her tuition problems is a result of Maya "doing her own thing" and trying to stand on her own, i.e. trying to go to college to have her relationship her father disapproves of and then trying to find a way out of that on her own by joining HOTs etc. Like, the other characters don't even enter this picture until few episodes in.

Exactly. This is another common "complaint" that is just based in negative confirmation bias. People want to see Maya as some useless thing who can't do anything for herself, when in reality, she was doing a lot for not just herself but for Josy too in S1. What help she is getting now are in ways that are and were inaccessible to her and hence why assistance is offered.

If there was an avenue for Maya to apply to Burke by herself and she knew that, she would have. If Maya could afford legal aid and she knew that, she would do that. But these are clearly not avenues she readily had access to, hence why she did what she could with regards to the HOTs because that was within her reach. And we also don't see what she and Josy were doing in Ep 7 to come up with ideas, solutions, etc, and for all we know they explored a lot of options.

At the end of the day, people just see and think what they want in order to affirm their negative views, even when the basis for it is flimsy at best.

 

[LordSGod]

now its good

 

[dalli_x]

It's enough for me not be invested in Josy's route. But at least Josy is funny character. And since the game forces interactions with everyone by design, I at least find the Josy interactions funny at times. Like standing on her fingers besides Sage.
And Josy has attitude, does her own thing.

Maya is a complete train wreck and she's nothing without the MC the rest of teh characters.
Josy can stand on her own.

So yeah, I'm not a fan of Josy, but I find lot less to dunk on there.
Tbh, we can waste time in me explaining my personal views, but won't change that Maya is the least likeable character in the game FOR ME. And I'm clearly not alone in this feeling.

So, it's alright for everyone to enjoy and shitpost what they like.
And not take thing personally. It's just a game at the end of the day.
Who cares who likes who.

Through Maya and her situation, connections are made that will eventually, I suspect, lead to the Lynette solution.

- Only through Maya was Stephen Burke forced to call this Priscilla. Given the fact so that the rich and powerful Stephen Burke calls this Priscilla shows that Priscilla is probably above Stephen Burke in the hierarchy.

- Maya's situation also involves Jill Royce. As a result, Sage and Jill's prejudices are set aside and the two become friends.

- Rusty notes in EP9 so that there is only one DIK left who properly believes in a DIK family. The MC. Everyone else didn't give a shit about Rusty when he needed a brother on the roof. I wouldn't be surprised if the Maya situation got the Burgmasters involved too because Maya is the MC's girlfriend or even just friend.

I assume, whether you like Maya or not, that Maya and her situation is essential to the story.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Maya's distress was exploited by Quinn.

It's so absurd, that it's even nice. Exploited distress.. Well thought out. Maybe it will help with a salary increase. Any boss will be powerless against this "iron argument." Of course, perhaps he will answer - "Fuck off from here, an impudent freeloader !"
But from the point of view of morality, we will be right. This is the most important thing.

 

[Lethal Flourish]

In short, me after episode 9 and seeing the potential to hurt Jill and Maya:
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If Season 4 gives into the story I want, and she suicides, I'll probably be like:
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On a less shitposting note, in no particular order:
1. Bella, Even tho not my fav, she is my main route. The first save and path I picked.
I do enjoy it a lot and I always had a thing for somewhat older women, I have a feeling that route won't have a happy rainbow ending. But the route is great and I'm quite a fan.

2. Sage, personal favorite character. For many reasons. Funny, has attitude, can be tender, kinky, into weird shit, golden sense of humor. I could list a lot more, but not gonna TL;DR this post.

3. Jill, even tho I dunk on her a lot, call her a tranny and so on... I like Jillian and the Jill route.
For what it is, it's great SFW Vanilla fun. DPC dunks on her the most, I'm just there to shot the shit.

4. Zoey, rising through the ranks. Towers above most female and male characters in the game. Also, closest to the types of girls I dated before getting married. Personally ended up with a Josy/Jill hybrid for a wife, haha.

5. Maya, oh boi... What to say that I haven't said before... She's a victim. Of the story and DPC.
But I don't care about cheaters. I don't care about her at all. So I shit on her with no remorse.

6. Josy, also a cheater, and an immediate NO from me.
But Josy is overall a fun, quirky, pervy character with fun interactions.
I hold no ill will towards her, just her ugly ass Episode 9 hair in some renders.
If there was a solo route from the beginning with her(and no cheating), I would've loved her route most likely.
Sadly she's infested with Maya.

7. Sarah and Mel, pure fun. Lots to enjoy, no baggage.

8. Quinn, girl broken by upbringing, has potential for a great redemption arc. Overall kinky, bossy, attitude to export. But still there is a broken girl worth investing in. If DPC does it right, she can be a great story arc and LI by the game's end.

9. Sally, Tommy's cum bucket, Becky, Karen and the rest of the fetish fodder characters are too underdeveloped atm for me to have an opinion on them.
Tara and Gina look good, that's about it. Also types I went for. Goth/pale/alternative chicks were my weakness, haha.

10. Nicole, is a decent cougar, lots to like about her, nothing to dislike. Not my cup of tea, but I appreciate her.

11. Lily, great lay, too underdeveloped for me to have an opinion.

12. Rio, decent girl, hanging with the wrong crowd. Has potential to be a cute LI. Would be lying if I said that I wasn't worried about her being the scapegoat for Quinn's plans. Time will tell, she's becoming better by the episode. Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.

Probably forgot some, but that's about the opinions I have atm.

Vergil !!!!

 

[The Glorious LIME]

If you hate cheaters, which is your right, I wonder which girl you prefer in BaDIK because actually most of the characters lie, hide or cheat in some form.

Please don't get me wrong. I personally don't like liars and cheaters either, but I differentiate for myself why there was lying, hiding and cheating. If there is a good reason for it that I can understand, I can also forgive.

Atm I mostly enjoy Zoey tbh. Sage is a grey zone. Due to the Chad start, but at least she has the intuition/gut feeling of being cheated on, so for her MC is something that starts as a revenge fuck. Sage does end things and things progress with her. While with MJ, that relationship seems doomed to fail without the MC. Maya only wants truth yet lies a lot.
With Sage, you knew where you stand. While Josy wanted to get dick'd after the first date, while in a relationship. And it's not like she knew Maya was cheating, so from both girls stances, they just wanted dick and didn't care.

Bella is ok FOR NOW, if James is alive and she is a cheater, and married never the less, she'll drop down to the bottom of the tier list for me.

I do enjoy Sarah and Mel, since I'm all for having fun when single. I don't judge girls for loving dicks.

I enjoy Jillian route, for what it is. It's cute.

But yeah, Zoey is leaning towards the top atm.

I can't have a complete opinion on characters in an unfinished game.

It's a pretty weird take, given the entire early part of the game with Maya & HOTs, together with her tuition problems is a result of Maya "doing her own thing" and trying to stand on her own, i.e. trying to go to college to have her relationship her father disapproves of and then trying to find a way out of that on her own by joining HOTs etc. Like, the other characters don't even enter this picture until few episodes in.

Am not trying to change your views, it's just always fascinating to me to see this level of (different) bias when perceiving characters. Like that other guy who was complaining about Maya being selfish while he's a Quinn stan and apparently doesn't mind selfishness all that much when it's a different character. So it's just interesting to hear explanations of such opinions from people.

IKR, specially since I agree with most you say in other threads I see you xD
Problem is, Maya "doing hew own thing" = falling for the dumbest rumors, living life for the wrong reasons and people.
Simply put: I don't like her

Through Maya and her situation, connections are made that will eventually, I suspect, lead to the Lynette solution.

- Only through Maya was Stephen Burke forced to call this Priscilla. Given the fact so that the rich and powerful Stephen Burke calls this Priscilla shows that Priscilla is probably above Stephen Burke in the hierarchy.

- Maya's situation also involves Jill Royce. As a result, Sage and Jill's prejudices are set aside and the two become friends.

- Rusty notes in EP9 so that there is only one DIK left who properly believes in a DIK family. The MC. Everyone else didn't give a shit about Rusty when he needed a brother on the roof. I wouldn't be surprised if the Maya situation got the Burgmasters involved too because Maya is the MC's girlfriend or even just friend.

I assume, whether you like Maya or not, that Maya and her situation is essential to the story.

I know it is... and it pains me so xD
I hope when the game ends I'll have a different opinion.
But at times, it feels like Maya is the MC, not Fuckface.


Anyways...

Like I said, the cheating issue comes from personal views.
I shared a few times that I was cheated on in a 7 year relationship.
So when I see cheaters, I can't invest in that route.
Enjoying Sage route did require some head canon.
But like I stated, I AM biased
I'm not here to change your views and opinions. We are all entitled to our own.
I've wasted too much time explaining why I PERSONALLY dislike a charater.
Y'all enjoy what you enjoy And I'll resume to dunk on any character I desire to.
Some will laugh due to shared feelings, some of y'all will spam facepalms.
So lets resume enjoying the game, characters and memes.
And for the love of all that is holy, don't take me too seriously
I'm here shooting the shit, meme-ing and having fun.
OFC I don't wish death upon anyone, even in a damn game.
Would I find it hilarious, well, yeah xD
But I am allowed to have my fun and shitpost.
I personally won't be coming back to this topic(as in explaining, the meme-ing shall continue).
Got memes to make and work to do.

 

[LordSGod]

meh it's more like mayas gonna die or josy, MC needs to pick one of them and its obvsly josy he picks so maya dies just to make it look like AL2 other than that theres not much mayas involvement in plot development.

Stephen calls Priscilla to tell her that he got a new pet for them(theres no reason for you to think that so called prisci is higher than stephen who knows they r both fuck buddles and maya is a 3rd wheel for 3some )

 

[ffive]

just to make it look like AL2

DPC has said he isn't making "AL2" with this game, precisely because of the backlash the twist in the original has caused.

 

[The Glorious LIME]

DPC has said he isn't making "AL2" with this game, precisely because of the backlash the twist in the original has caused.

Thing is... my theory, it's gonna be far worse.
I mean, he's milking people and fetish enjoyers quite well.
Depending on the country he lives in, he is quite set for a decent life.
Would be hilarious if BaDIK ended with a massacre.
And DPC be like:

God I'd love him if he did it...
A man can dream.

 

[LordSGod]

DPC has said he isn't making "AL2" with this game, precisely because of the backlash the twist in the original has caused.

AL2 situation considering we got guns in the game already, someones gonna die for sure(theres no point in showing this much darkness like quinns background drugs and vinnys involvement(vinny aint the main drug lord he could be just another supplier so thers much more to expect)if none dies) so AL2 for sure you are gonna need to make a choice and other gonna die
it could be M/J, Jill/bella, Quinn/rio/tommy(who knows), LI/Zoey/dad forgot

 

[Lurcher1]

Thing is... my theory, it's gonna be far worse.
I mean, he's milking people and fetish enjoyers quite well.
Depending on the country he lives in, he is quite set for a decent life.
Would be hilarious if BaDIK ended with a massacre.
And DPC be like:
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God I'd love him if he did it...
A man can dream.

Brutal. Wipe out half the cast would be a hell of a move

As would finding out that Sage's Mom is named Leah...

 

[The Glorious LIME]

Brutal. Wipe out half the cast would be a hell of a move

As would finding out that Sage's Mom is named Leah...

Although planned at first(trivia in AL), DPC has stated that AL and BaDIK aren't sequels/prequels.
But yeah, the joy that could've been xD

 

[Lurcher1]

Although planned at first(trivia in AL), DPC has stated that AL and BaDIK aren't sequels/prequels.
But yeah, the joy that could've been xD

Yeah, but, can you image the shitposting if it turns out to be the case


I'll leave dalli_x to theorise on that one unless he already has...