Man. Came onto the forums to snag the Sage render and found that people are still in denial about the Jill picnic? Well, I'll just say that Shazba is right on all counts, and it's sad to see people arguing in bad faith with him.
The reason you lose her path is because of not choosing the event with her, that's scripted. There is no other reason, all those you state are just you superimposing your viewpoint on how a girl (or you) might rationalize the situation. But, emotion or actual thought is not coded in the game. It is just a flow chart that if you select B you get C result. If you choose to help Sage you are eliminated from Jill's path permanently. No matter what you did before or after.
Removing all plot, story, dialogue, and character elements from a game and reducing it just to mechanical inputs in an attempt to justify an opinion about the characters and story is both absurd and dishonest. The hypocrisy meter is going off the charts and there's quite a bit of mental gymnastics made to keep in denial.
To use your rationale, Jill decides to not want a relationship with you because you helped a female friend instead of doing something with her.
That was not Shazba's rationale at all. You just ignored everything he said and reduced the situation to your own narrative. Again, arguing in bad faith.
Okay, later she's about to implode during her recital which most likely would severely effect her, both emotionally and mentally, in the future. The MC steps up and helps her overcome that and performs her song (that he learned to impress her) and they perform a duet to thunderous applause. Afterwards, her stage fright gone, she is showered with praise along side the MC. Females are gushing over him, panties practically wet, which she sees. That doesn't change her mind or, at least, rekindles her interest again? Women react to stuff like that.
That alone should have opened up the relationship possibility again.
That's just your opinion on what should have happened at this point. It doesn't discredit what Shazba said. And I happen to disagree with your position here. Real relationships get built slowly over time and the elements that people value the most vary from person to person. Jill's an odd duck who says herself that she believes in destiny, signs, and she clearly values people gelling with her friends. She's also stubborn, as she admits herself.
Shazba is spot on with his analysis of Jill's reasoning, rationale, and feelings on the matter. MC doing a single grand romantic/caring gesture doesn't undo all of that. Crap Hollywood movies and TV shows are all about single grand gestures that are very romantic and change the plot, but real life isn't like that at all. I think you're falling for misleading formulas made by Hollywood.
You're not convincing me and vice versa, so we should leave it at that.
That's pretty clear. Just wanted to point out the hypocrasy, denial, and bad faith arguments that were made, and wanted to agree with Shazba on his analysis of the situation. I think it's spot on.
