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How it suppresses MC's self esteem? when being Massive CHICK he's being a good person, following rules, being faithful (on most pts), refusing drugs, not cheating, etc?

(not criticizing, just asking)
Even on Massive DIK, the MC is a good person, he's just, well... a dick about it. He's having fun, not cheating (so far), let the freshman live a freshman life. It's only from here on out that we decide whether he's a good guy or a bad guy. Let's see how helping Quinn goes then judge how bad he can become.

The real difference between CHICK and DIK is idealism and pessimism. Leaning towards naivete versus becoming jaded.
 

dalli_x

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Even on Massive DIK, the MC is a good person, he's just, well... a dick about it. He's having fun, not cheating (so far), let the freshman live a freshman life. It's only from here on out that we decide whether he's a good guy or a bad guy. Let's see how helping Quinn goes then judge how bad he can become.

The real difference between CHICK and DIK is idealism and pessimism. Leaning towards naivete versus becoming jaded.
The real difference between DIK and CHICK is whether the MC is an idiot or thinks before he does something.:rolleyes:
 

JJ1960

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How it suppresses MC's self esteem? when being Massive CHICK he's being a good person, following rules, being faithful (on most pts), refusing drugs, not cheating, etc?

(not criticizing, just asking)
Because the game isn't called Everybody's Doormat? Seriously, unless you are wanting to play a bang-Jill-only simulator there isn't a lot of enjoyment going full-on Chick. I've done that runthrough and it wasn't that great. You miss out on tons of content for very little reward, and I say that being a Jill fan. And to answer your question, does letting Steve, Tommy and Tybalt treat you like a piece of shit somehow improve your character's self-esteem? In real life how would that make you feel? Because if you respond any other way than to just take their abuse and walk away you aren't honoring your Chick-ness.
 

7thOmen

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Regarding helping Quinn... I like to think, in the end, the MC will help Quinn to make a better version of herself. Help de-program the only way she knows. Not necessarily joining on her current path. The help Quinn asks for after the Halloween party will finally enlighten the MC to what she's been about, aside from the already known prostitution ring.
As of Ep9, Rio is really beginning to see the light.

The MC is seriously slow on the uptake, but he gets there eventually.

7thOmen
 

VaderExMachina

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Because the game isn't called Everybody's Doormat? Seriously, unless you are wanting to play a bang-Jill-only simulator there isn't a lot of enjoyment going full-on Chick. I've done that runthrough and it wasn't that great. You miss out on tons of content for very little reward, and I say that being a Jill fan. And to answer your question, does letting Steve, Tommy and Tybalt treat you like a piece of shit somehow improve your character's self-esteem? In real life how would that make you feel? Because if you respond any other way than to just take their abuse and walk away you aren't honoring your Chick-ness.

Putting it that way maybe you're right... well..... i guess is time to lower the score to keep it between Neutral and Chick....
 

TRKaiser

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Regarding helping Quinn... I like to think, in the end, the MC will help Quinn to make a better version of herself. Help de-program the only way she knows. Not necessarily joining on her current path. The help Quinn asks for after the Halloween party will finally enlighten the MC to what she's been about, aside from the already known prostitution ring.
As of Ep9, Rio is really beginning to see the light.

The MC is seriously slow on the uptake, but he gets there eventually.

7thOmen
Quinn's storyline is the most exciting and interesting to me in the game...Family backstory with extortion of Quinn, i assume for her fathers debts/choices that forced her into what she is doing since that lifestyle is all she knows...What some people in here fail to grasp is not all people that do shitty things are shitty people, and sometimes you become a product of your environment until you learn some other way. Besides that, you have her crimes, past with Vinny, her own demons all making her path so interesting and engaging to me. Shit I even followed through and accomplished Quinn's challenge at the Halloween party on my one of my single Fuckface playthroughs just in case that becomes a big choice to for her later to convince her you truly care and can make her idealogy of living life change.
 

dalli_x

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Quinn's storyline is the most exciting and interesting to me in the game...Family backstory with extortion of Quinn, i assume for her fathers debts/choices that forced her into what she is doing since that lifestyle is all she knows...What some people in here fail to grasp is not all people that do shitty things are shitty people, and sometimes you become a product of your environment until you learn some other way. Besides that, you have her crimes, past with Vinny, her own demons all making her path so interesting and engaging to me. Shit I even followed through and accomplished Quinn's challenge at the Halloween party on my one of my single Fuckface playthroughs just in case that becomes a big choice to for her later to convince her you truly care and can make her idealogy of living life change.
What you don't understand is that no one can blame others for their own mistakes. How many come from such backgrounds as Quinn and lead respectable lives precisely because they didn't want to be like their parents?

Of course it takes some effort, but Quinn takes the easy way out. Ergo, it's her own fault.
 

TRKaiser

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What you don't understand is that no one can blame others for their own mistakes. How many come from such backgrounds as Quinn and lead respectable lives precisely because they didn't want to be like their parents?

Of course it takes some effort, but Quinn takes the easy way out. Ergo, it's her own fault.
I understand completely... I you read the entirety of my post you'll see I say...
me said:
and sometimes you become a product of your environment until you learn some other way
...which means sometimes not always, and it takes learning about and going down another path...It is her fault, it is her choices, but that doesn't mean she, or anyone in that spot, does not deserve a chance or a hand/support on becoming a better person. No one is perfect so, you cannot expect perfection from anyone.
 

dalli_x

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I understand completely... I you read the entirety of my post you'll see I say...

...which means sometimes not always, and it takes learning about and going down another path...It is her fault, it is her choices, but that doesn't mean she, or anyone in that spot, does not deserve a chance or a hand/support on becoming a better person. No one is perfect so, you cannot expect perfection from anyone.
The problem with getting a hand/support from other people is just what transgressions there were.

A little dealing and smoking weed can be forgiven. If she only had prostitutes herself, that can be forgiven too. But the way Quinn treats other people, I don't think she deserves help from others. Quinn has to straighten this out all by herself. She has made a start with Tommy.

The only question is whether we already know everything Quinn has done or if other things will be added. Also, it makes you wonder how Sage will react when she finds out about Quinn's machinations. To be honest, my guess is that Sage won't help Quinn because Quinn personally betrayed Sage and betrayed her trust. Sage will take that personally as well.
 
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