VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ElectronicRoberts]

Me checking DPC patreon thinking about all the horrible things I will do to him if we don't get a Sage preview soon
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Joke haha

 

[KАRАMBA]

The fucking vote is rigged. What the fuck? Pennywise ahead of Quinn ? Fuck, this world is sick.

 

[ChipLecsap]

maybe my opinion is also related to an anagraphic aspect, indeed it surely will be, but I appreciate much more a balanced character like Maya (and Bella is very similar) than overly emotional characters like Josy (and Jill for example)

to think that Maya does not reciprocate MC's feelings is rather naïve, especially in the context of an AVN , only that REALISTICALLY these feelings are not Maya's only priority in life as she is called upon to deal with another emergency that takes priority. even with respect to Josy the issue of the loan takes priority, in the aftermath of Patrick's unexpected visit, Maya begins to reason about whether she should devote herself to her studies and put the affair with Josy on hold, with all the risk of losing her permanently.

now the whole loan storyline is rather stretched and not very believable, but since this is being proposed to us by DPC we have to believe it. Faced with the possibility of no longer being able to attend college and having to pay off a lifetime of debt that she can never repay, it is believable that Maya cannot let go of dreams of love and still have to maintain some lucidity (and in this it is ironic enough that the reason for friction with Josy is that for once Maya wants to have fun and forget, at least for the Halloween party, about her financial problems, by the way to think that saving money for the party costume might make a difference is very.... Jillish)

Maya, like Bella, is the only one who remains believable even in the role of MC's friend; MC doesn't love her back? she gets over it, doesn't show him a grudge, and gets on with her life. I prefer this to Josy who every first chapter of the season goes to MC to make sure he has not forgotten her and if anything instill some doubts in him about his current relationship (not coming forward, but hoping he will), or Jill who after deciding that anyway MC is not the man for her still has a beef with the fact that he is dating Bella or otherwise decides to show up at the Halloween party to make him regret what he missed...this subordinate role, which in an AVN is also fine, is still sad and pathetic...

even Zoey, forgetting the interlude steeped in failure, has this ability to be believable as both friend and lover, seems to me a great merit in DPC's construction of the character

You know that I just can't let this slide do you ?

you misinterpreting the actual facts and I really Really dislike when people do this. especially the bold part. You conveniently missing out the Player aka your actions, and you make it seem like Josy is some needy girl who constantly guiltriping the player.

from episode 4, from the moment of the library if you decide to stay in the friendzone, or they reject the MC, every moment where Josy may get emotional, is fully depend on the player decision. MC puhsing her Buttons, except in episode, 9. Only in 1 Episode, in one moment, Josy comes to the MC by herself and ask if wheter he think about it or not of what could have been.
You can decide in Episode 5 that you wont help her when her dad arrive, therefor you can avoid the conversation with her. But even if count this as one moment, then we have to be honest becasue the same emotional covnersation happens wiht Maya to, so this is not an exlusive Josy thing.

In episode 6 you don't have any stand alone moment with her where this subject can be brought up again.
so we conclude that so far episode 5 was the only moment where Josy could get emotional, and that is the aftermath of episode 4 and the same thing happens with Maya to.

" This where the fun part beginning " : Episode 7:

In the most Josy " heavy " episode, every single time when Josy get emotional, or confused about her feelings, is all exclusively by MC and the player actions. Right from the beginning it is MC who confront her, you can choose to go to sleep and not have the conversation at all, but if you confront her, it is MC who pushing her button, and make her emotional , it almost feels like as if it is him who can't let it go, and considering that the requirement what needed for the conversation to happen, aka " Feeling for Josy ", It is excatly the case. Not Josy, but MC. After that, it is MC who decided to Spend extra time with Josy, She not even invite him by herself, MC is the one who ask if he can visit her.
once again MC is the one who chasing Josy, even if it is a "friend level" - but we gonna talk about this stupid beliefs of Mc later on.But once again MC is the one who decide to stay around her.
During the Hot Party, once again MC is the one who Kiss her, instead of giving her the drink

so once again MC. make her confused and emotional. And with that we concluded the interactions in episode 7 , oh yes we go to the Gym, together but that is kind of a default storyline for the Chad secret to be revealed.

and we reached episode 8 , with a massive three interactions with Josy.. absolutely player choices if you trust her with a secret regarding the Sage situation or not, basically nothing to do " Josy's feeling. ". And you can as the player decide if you do some private training with her or not, nothing really happens there, a little bit of teasing. " Buff Josy ".
and the final interaction yet again MC playfully teasing Josy and ( becky ) .


And We Reached Episode 9.

The only Time When Josy by herself ask MC if whether he think about it what could have been if things would be different. But. Just to be Consistent . MC can choose to not take picture with her, and it is MC who opening the Door for such a conversation to happen :


so after this long Analysis I would really much appreciate if you Stop Painting Josy as some emotional mess who constantly guiltriping and chasing the MC , chasing a buss that not picking her up..

if anything it is the MC ( and in some extent the players ) Who can't let bygone be bygone.
so Much that He is willing to invite his EX girlfriend to a Party where he is currently together with another girl, Because he is an idiot, who want everyone to be friend and one big family.

 

[XdeynamiX]

Heather deserves more

How about Arieth? On flashback she's kinda hot, no? I guess it was before the toilet thing hit her on the head
Maybe we should hit her on the head again?

 

[Kpyna]

Knowing Dawe, he probably just used a slur around Troy, setting him off. Troy seems to have a very short fuse, and Dawe is just an idiot, so it's not too hard to imagine.

For all we know, when Chad went to the MC's room to steal the guitar, that could have been what set him and Troy down the path. He would have known him already, and maybe Troy tried to stop Chad from taking the guitar since that was the only thing you did that Troy liked, hence the black eye. Maybe Chad went back to apologize after being suspended and that led to their relationship starting.

It doesn't add up, because when MC first met Sage, she mentioned that she found women panties in Chad's gym bag. It's happened in first day and first hours of MC in B&R. He even didn't get his dorm room with Troy at that moment. So, they already were in this "relationship". And since Jade warned Sage some time ago, or perhaps hinted to her about Chad, that means a lot too. Sage herself is clearly unhappy with Chad's behavior and attitude towards her as a woman.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Sage herself is clearly unhappy with Chad's behavior and attitude towards her as a woman.

There's really no point in discussing Chad and Sage's relationship. Because it's not just a fiction, but a bad fiction. This is a failure of the DPC as a writer. And nothing more. We see Sage, and understand, that this is not the kind of girl who will tolerate a dismissive attitude towards herself, even more so for three years. This is nonsense.

 

[ChipLecsap]

There's really no point in discussing Chad and Sage's relationship. Because it's not just a fiction, but a bad fiction. This is a failure of the DPC as a writer. And nothing more. We see Sage, and understand, that this is not the kind of girl who will tolerate a dismissive attitude towards herself, even more so for three years. This is nonsense.

We don't have 100% evidence that during the entire relationship they never were intimate, . And top of that Sage is shown to be a leader who Respect the Traditions, so not enterly unthinkable that she stick around in a relationship like that purely because that's what her Responsibility as a Leader.

 

[KАRАMBA]

We don't have 100% evidence that during the entire relationship they never were intimate, . And top of that Sage is shown to be a leader who Respect the Traditions, so not enterly unthinkable that she stick around in a relationship like that purely because that's what her Responsibility as a Leader.

Look, it would make sense for some elderly wife of the President, who is forced to pretend in public that everything is fine. But not for a young girl, when her boyfriend constantly refuses her intimacy, justifying himself by taking some medications. What does a young girl do in such cases ? Sends a jerk to fuck. Yes, that's what's really happening.

 

[Acsuka]

Look, it would make sense for some elderly wife of the President, who is forced to pretend in public that everything is fine. But not for a young girl, when her boyfriend constantly refuses her intimacy, justifying himself by taking some medications. What does a young girl do in such cases ? Sends a jerk to fuck. Yes, that's what's really happening.

He was clearly unhappy in this relationship. The best thing that could have happened was that he found me...hmm, that is, MC. And now everyone is happy!

 

[KАRАMBA]

He was clearly unhappy in this relationship. The best thing that could have happened was that he found me.

Who found you? Chad? OK, I wish you happiness

 

[Acsuka]

Who found you? Chad? OK, I wish you happiness

Oh God, who are you looking at me for... Now I'm mad at you (a little)...

 

[Kpyna]

You know that I just can't let this slide do you ?

you misinterpreting the actual facts and I really Really dislike when people do this. especially the bold part. You conveniently missing out the Player aka your actions, and you make it seem like Josy is some needy girl who constantly guiltriping the player.

from episode 4, from the moment of the library if you decide to stay in the friendzone, or they reject the MC, every moment where Josy may get emotional, is fully depend on the player decision. MC puhsing her Buttons, except in episode, 9. Only in 1 Episode, in one moment, Josy comes to the MC by herself and ask if wheter he think about it or not of what could have been.
You can decide in Episode 5 that you wont help her when her dad arrive, therefor you can avoid the conversation with her. But even if count this as one moment, then we have to be honest becasue the same emotional covnersation happens wiht Maya to, so this is not an exlusive Josy thing.

In episode 6 you don't have any stand alone moment with her where this subject can be brought up again.
so we conclude that so far episode 5 was the only moment where Josy could get emotional, and that is the aftermath of episode 4 and the same thing happens with Maya to.

" This where the fun part beginning " : Episode 7:

In the most Josy " heavy " episode, every single time when Josy get emotional, or confused about her feelings, is all exclusively by MC and the player actions. Right from the beginning it is MC who confront her, you can choose to go to sleep and not have the conversation at all, but if you confront her, it is MC who pushing her button, and make her emotional , it almost feels like as if it is him who can't let it go, and considering that the requirement what needed for the conversation to happen, aka " Feeling for Josy ", It is excatly the case. Not Josy, but MC. After that, it is MC who decided to Spend extra time with Josy, She not even invite him by herself, MC is the one who ask if he can visit her.
once again MC is the one who chasing Josy, even if it is a "friend level" - but we gonna talk about this stupid beliefs of Mc later on.But once again MC is the one who decide to stay around her.
During the Hot Party, once again MC is the one who Kiss her, instead of giving her the drink
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so once again MC. make her confused and emotional. And with that we concluded the interactions in episode 7 , oh yes we go to the Gym, together but that is kind of a default storyline for the Chad secret to be revealed.

and we reached episode 8 , with a massive three interactions with Josy.. absolutely player choices if you trust her with a secret regarding the Sage situation or not, basically nothing to do " Josy's feeling. ". And you can as the player decide if you do some private training with her or not, nothing really happens there, a little bit of teasing. " Buff Josy ".
and the final interaction yet again MC playfully teasing Josy and ( becky ) .
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And We Reached Episode 9.
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The only Time When Josy by herself ask MC if whether he think about it what could have been if things would be different. But. Just to be Consistent . MC can choose to not take picture with her, and it is MC who opening the Door for such a conversation to happen :
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so after this long Analysis I would really much appreciate if you Stop Painting Josy as some emotional mess who constantly guiltriping and chasing the MC , chasing a buss that not picking her up..

if anything it is the MC ( and in some extent the players ) Who can't let bygone be bygone.
so Much that He is willing to invite his EX girlfriend to a Party where he is currently together with another girl, Because he is an idiot, who want everyone to be friend and one big family.

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I could help you and say it in short - their feelings the strongest and most mutual among all other LIs. This is easily read in some scenes, in the emotions and eyes of MC and Josy. And we know that DPC is very good at this - in reflecting and transmitting various emotions of the characters. Only Maya and Jill can stand close to it and Jill becomes really attracted with MC only closer to Season 2 finale. Even when MC decided to stay friends with her and Maya he think about it and doubts from time to time.
In case of break up with them, he says:
mc "(Why does this hurt so fucking much?)"
mc "(This can't be a mistake, can it?)"

He doesn't say something similar in any other case with any other MGs, even with Jill.

Anyway, I would add a bit and probably correct you a little regarding that's it's the MC, who always chase/tease/push her buttons. While we agree that they have strong feelings and it's mutual thing, then why Josy wouldn't wait herself for such actions from MC? She definitely want MC to do all of those things... Outside the Throuple she also probably doubts and regrets about her choice. And it only intensifies such of her behaviours and motivations.

She clearly waits for some action from MC here. If we picked feelings for her, we have an option to comfort her. She want to talk and pour her soul, her feelings and thoughts. While in Throuple she waits for move on her from MC and option is replaced with "seduce her". Upper pics from friendzone. Bottom pics from Throuple.



DPC hadn't made a different expression and emotions on her face. And since we know how he always attentive to such details, he says with this a lot, showing the Josy in the same way for both paths.

If there are no feelings scene cuts short on the right frame above. Or if MC have feelings for her, but want to be a DI(c)K we can choice to go to sleep with the same result.

On one hand she doesn't want to cheat (even on mental level) and lie anymore, on other hand she can't help herself. It's pretty typical situation. You either fully suppress and block you feelings and thoughts even if you think that there somewhere is something better for you, or you don't, and then such thoughs and feelings slowly devour and torture you until you won't be able to handle it anymore and give up at last.

Outside of scenes you mentioned, etc, she always literally devours him with her eyes.
js "Yet, every time I see your face... I..."

And we know that some other people such as Elena also notice and know all this.

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[ProxyGist]

if anything it is the MC ( and in some extent the players ) Who can't let bygone be bygone.
so Much that He is willing to invite his EX girlfriend to a Party where he is currently together with another girl, Because he is an idiot, who want everyone to be friend and one big family.

Not really. He's probably considering Zoey and Josy as girlfriends in case things he don't work out with his main girlfriend (the game explicitly says so). That's a cruel thing to do because he's not letting them go and not letting them move on. It's pretty funny that MC blames Sage for not moving on and not being able to get over Chad, he does the exact same thing( as Derek explicitly tells him). MC is actually a pretty hypocritical character and at some points I just hate him, but he acts pretty realistic( like a guy would act at 19).

 

[LiuXuande]

We don't have 100% evidence that during the entire relationship they never were intimate, . And top of that Sage is shown to be a leader who Respect the Traditions, so not enterly unthinkable that she stick around in a relationship like that purely because that's what her Responsibility as a Leader.

In my headcanon, Sage was a virgin when she met the MC. Chad was her first love. She dated him for years while he was already in a relationship with Troy which would explain her sexual frustration and aggressivity toward the MC.

Quinn was a virgin too. After all, she is only a pimp, not a prostitute and while Vince asked her if her hole was missing him. He was surely referring to her nose, let's not forget he is a drug dealer here.

The "prostitutes" are also virgins and most likely use gloves when they are dealing with their customers in their stall.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Quinn was a virgin too. After all, she is only a pimp, not a prostitute and while Vince asked her if her hole was missing him. He was surely referring to her nose, let's not forget he is a drug dealer here.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

In my headcanon, Sage was a virgin when she met the MC. Chad was her first love. She dated him for years while he was already in a relationship with Troy which would explain her sexual frustration and aggressivity toward the MC.

Quinn was a virgin too. After all, she is only a pimp, not a prostitute and while Vince asked her if her hole was missing him. He was surely referring to her nose, let's not forget he is a drug dealer here.

The "prostitutes" are also virgins and most likely use gloves when they are dealing with their customers in their stall.

 

[Takkatakka]

if anything it is the MC ( and in some extent the players ) Who can't let bygone be bygone.
so Much that He is willing to invite his EX girlfriend to a Party where he is currently together with another girl, Because he is an idiot, who want everyone to be friend and one big family.

One could see it like that, I guess. But you could also make an argument, that he is over Zoey and thinks she is over him as well (she left him and ignored him after all) and just wants to be nice to her and let her have a good time at the party and to get to know new people.

 

[daxil94]

Not really. He's probably considering Zoey and Josy as girlfriends in case things he don't work out with his main girlfriend (the game explicitly says so). That's a cruel thing to do because he's not letting them go and not letting them move on. It's pretty funny that MC blames Sage for not moving on and not being able to get over Chad, he does the exact same thing( as Derek explicitly tells him). MC is actually a pretty hypocritical character and at some points I just hate him, but he acts pretty realistic( like a guy would act at 19).

I don't think so he moved on with zoey(probably moving on part will be a choice-like situation). Then Josy comes he spent much less time with Josy than Zoey but feelings are there.

If MC gets rejected by them in EP4 we can say he have feelings for only Josy, and could you just let it go ? I know i couldn't, with feelings choice i think MC does his best on restricting himself and sometimes it gets overflowing with him in EP5 "follow Josy"(and you get this even without feelings for Josy) and EP7 "Comfort her" choices. Could you just let the one you like/love feeling down not try to comfort them even as a friend ?

And in EP9 if you're not in throuple she asks "Do you...ever wonder" without any incentitive from MC

But i get what you're trying to tell MC has some faults with these interactions. But if i could had a choice in EP4 "cut all ties" i would've taken it.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

In case of break up with them, he says:
mc "(Why does this hurt so fucking much?)"
mc "(This can't be a mistake, can it?)"

He doesn't say something similar in any other case with any other MGs, even with Jill.

Of course he does. The whole reuniting with Zoey in Ep9 when they are both talking about what happened, and why MC stopped responding to her "clucks" and PMs. The whole "Trip down memory lane" thing is all about how hurt he felt.

Of course he likes Josy and cherishes the time he spent working with her and so on. But from him lying down after a failed date with Josy and wondering why he's hurting again, isn't quite on the same level of him balling his eyes out for weeks after being left behind by his arguably best and closest friend. He again points it out when he explains why he blocked her on Rooster etc.

He might deeply like Josy, but let's be honest here, Josy is nothing but a crush, Zoey was certainly a whole lot more than a simple crush...

 

[KАRАMBA]

if anything it is the MC ( and in some extent the players ) Who can't let bygone be bygone.
so Much that He is willing to invite his EX girlfriend to a Party where he is currently together with another girl, Because he is an idiot, who want everyone to be friend and one big family.

Well, or he actually wants to show his ex- "Hey, look at me now. Yes, I'm not the naive loser you left and went to San Diego anymore. Not the same as before. See how popular I am here, among all these hot chicks. But I'm not bragging, no. I'm just being friendly, and I want you to have fun. I care about you no matter what. I'm a good guy."