funkymonkeyjedi

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"Ounce of honor"? Please. For all we know he's just trying to get into Sage's pants (and he is, ofc)
True, but at least it's in HER pants he's trying to get into, that much can't be said about her actual BF. And if she's as smart as you're making her out to be, she should recognize this.
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Wizard_Shiryuu

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Why would a guy lie about something like that? She might not trust fuckface but she knows that Chad and him have issues. She saw him get bullied by Chad and his gay club. Trust her boyfriend really? That boyfriend who was cheating on her and treating her like shit. :HideThePain:
At that moment Sage didn't have any reasons to doubt Chad. Would you trust a complete stranger over your boyfriend without question?

You've answered your own question there. If a guy got picked on then he has plenty of reason to try to badmouth and otherwise shit on someone they've got a beef with. At least as far as someone who saw that is concerned.
That's a good point, but I'm not sure the MC knew his guitar was stolen by Chad yet.
 
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ffive

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Was he wrong ? Why? Because that's how it was shown in the movie?
He set up a dumb test which was supposed to demonstrate the very thing you (and he) claimed, that people are all too willing to throw others under the bus for their own survival. But the result of it was the opposite.

Joker is trying to drag everyone to his own level to show that he isn't a monstrous outlier but a norm. You're doing pretty much the same with your defense of Quinn -- "oh she's shit but everyone is and she's honest about it!". Which is double wrong -- not only everyone isn't like that, but Quinn spends half her time pretending to be all innocent and not doing shit things, to people around her. Instead of "being honest" about her shittiness.
 
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At that moment Sage didn't have any reasons to doubt Chad. Would you trust a complete stranger over your boyfriend without question?
This is not true. Sage and Chad are at odds from the very beginning. First time we see them, they are having a quarrel in the cafeteria, because, as we later are said, Sage already heavily suspected that Chad was cheating on her.
 

ffive

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It just that's how it was shown in the movie. Nothing else. This does not mean that the same would happen in real life.
We have numerous cases in real life where people would literally give up their place in a lifeboat for someone else, and not just refrain from murdering them to save themselves. So yes, it does happen in real life, too.
 
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Takkatakka

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We have numerous cases in real life where people would literally give up their place in a lifeboat for someone else, and not just refrain from murdering them to save themselves. So yes, it does happen in real life, too.
Just as an example:
On the night of the sinking, Isidor and Ida were seen standing near Lifeboat No. 8 in the company of Ida's maid, Ellen Bird. Although the officer in charge was willing to allow Isidor to board the lifeboat with the women, Isidor Straus refused to do so while women and children still remained on the ship. He urged Ida to board, but she refused, saying, "We have lived together for many years. Where you go, I go." This incident was witnessed by numerous witnesses both in the lifeboat and on deck. The Strauses were last seen standing arm in arm on the deck.
 

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Which is double wrong -- not only everyone isn't like that, but Quinn spends half her time pretending to be all innocent and not doing shit things, to people around her. Instead of "being honest" about her shittiness.
Do you think she has to do shit all the time?! Look, we are bad people - a free people. We are not trapped in any framework of generally accepted rules. We can pretend if we want, or we can not pretend. We don't need to show someone our "shittiness". We don't need to show anything to anyone at all. Because we don't owe anyone anything. If we want to deceive someone, and pretend for this not to be who we really are, then we do it solely for our own benefit, and not to impress someone.
 

funkymonkeyjedi

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We have numerous cases in real life where people would literally give up their place in a lifeboat for someone else, and not just refrain from murdering them to save themselves. So yes, it does happen in real life, too.
Remove the comfort of the convenience of grocery stores and electricity, and to quote Vladimir Lenin "We're just 3 meals away from total chaos". Humans are still neanderthals when it comes to survival. Perhaps for close family members and loved ones this would not be so true, but as your neighbor, you'd better be wearing a heavy steel plate on your back because the knives are coming out, it's just a question of time.
 
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Takkatakka

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Remove the comfort of the convenience of grocery stores and electricity, and to quote Vladimir Lenin "We're just 3 meals away from total chaos". Humans are still neanderthals when it comes to survival. Perhaps for close family members and loved ones this would not be so true, but as your neighbor, you'd better be wearing a heavy steel plate on your back because the knives are coming out, it's just a question of time.
I mean...if my best friends would essentially be Trotzki and Stalin I would probably think like that as well.
 

funkymonkeyjedi

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I mean...if my best friends would essentially be Trotzki and Stalin I would probably think like that as well.
So you're saying that, given the choice to fight for the survival of your family and loved ones you wouldn't drop your standards and fight with all your might for their survival?

Get the fuck out of here!
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Takkatakka

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So you're saying that, given the choice to fight for the survival of your family and loved ones you wouldn't drop your standards and fight with all your might for their survival?

Get the fuck out of here!
lol
There are examples for both people becoming very antagonistic and people starting to become very collaborative and working together.
 

Lovetities

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At that moment Sage didn't have any reasons to doubt Chad. Would you trust a complete stranger over your boyfriend without question?
Sage literally found Troy panties and was doubting Chad. Depending on the Choices Sage has no reason not to trust Fuckface. More importantly, Fuckface somewhat begged her and told her how important that guitar is to him. Also, why would fuckface create problems in sage and chad relationship for no reason when he himself depending on your choice rejected helping sage with Chad in the hall. Also, didn't she asked fuckface to teach her how to play guitar?
 
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ffive

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If we want to deceive someone, and pretend for this not to be who we really are, then we do it solely for our own benefit, and not to impress someone.
I'm not saying she can't do that. Just that the claim "she isn't hiding what she is, unlike the others", is bullshit. :sneaky:
 
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