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In my opinion, the first season was very planned, very cohesive, after that there was some improvisation as you went along, and the less good you are, the more you struggle to keep up the improvisations.

in the next chapter we should see what direction (if any direction there is) the season wants to take. personally the hype is so low that it will almost certainly surprise me in the positive.
It's pretty hard to make a coherent and logical plot when branching. Tremolo/Miller after becoming the leader of the fraternity has almost no motivation other than to deal with the girls' problems and ...organize a party. If earlier Fuckface was in the center of the story and girls were a byproduct of his activities, which made the story dynamic, then probably now girls will be in the center of attention and BAD will become a regular AVN like Milfy City, where MC is trying to solve their problems the whole game.
 

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It's pretty hard to make a coherent and logical plot when branching. Tremolo/Miller after becoming the leader of the fraternity has almost no motivation other than to deal with the girls' problems and ...organize a party. If earlier Fuckface was in the center of the story and girls were a byproduct of his activities, which made the story dynamic, then probably now girls will be in the center of attention and BAD will become a regular AVN like Milfy City, where MC is trying to solve their problems the whole game.
it is very difficult to make a perfect story that is perfectly consistent with whatever choices are made in the various ramifications. but having a very solid and delineated central body is extremely feasible. you just have to be clear in your thinking.
 
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Okay, I'm going to have to say it again. It's not what's told, it's how it's told. DPС is a bad writer, but a great storyteller.
Also as I said earlier it's obvious to me that DPС is going to have a crisis of ideas when he finishes the main character arc. He just won't have anything to talk about other than who is which relative. It's very boring, but it's interesting how he'll tell it. It'll probably be presented as dry and sketchy as Lynette's backstory or maybe he'll stretch the obvious stuff like Sage's birth mother being at arm's length with her for an entire season.
I don't really feel like defending DPС because I can see what he's going to emphasize in the next few episodes and what he's going to sideline.
Right now the only story arc with interesting intrigue is the free tuition, but he will stretch it out for the remaining 2 seasons and how he will dilute the time with what plot mini-quests and arcs is a big question.
I think I'd like to somewhat reinterpret that one line. "DPC is a bad writer, but a great storyteller". I feel like those mean the same things.

To me, it's more like DPC is great at writing short, impactful scenes and using the VN medium to his advantage when doing so. I just don't think he can handle overarching plots well. You can tell he has great ideas (is this what you mean by storyteller?) but the details and foresight kind of get lost in the weeds here.

It's like he has point A and point C already in his head but when it comes to writing point B, he falls short and things start to not add up or feel contrived. Along the way from Point A to B, he realizes that it doesn't work and is even unsure of Point C now. I feel like we're at Point B for a lot of these story lines.

I think it's why you get some great scenes like when Sage tells MC about being adopted but also stuff like MC being angry at Maya and Josy for no real reason in Ep 3 and 4 or the "fuck fuck fuck" thing at the end of Ep 8 regardless of what you've done on your run.

He's probably already had ideas for those specific scenes and then some chunks of the overarching plot here and there but can't keep things consistent when it comes to writing details for those big ideas or how one scene's writing will affect the subsequent scenes. I don't blame him. Few can do such a feat. But that ultimately determines whether it's a story that can stand on its own without the lewd scenes or it's just a really good VN.

He also does a great job at building up his characters ... only to bring it all crashing down in later seasons. You can say it's because he's showing that the characters are opening up more or are maturing but it just feels like weak writing/downgrading his characters to me. (Also not likely but still possible, even letting outside influences determine what the characters are like)

To that, I second what felice said about the improvisation. Kind of feels like it sometimes. Especially after Season 1.
 
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It's been like this since season 2 but we didn't care because we're having the payoffs (sex) for the setups of season 1 which was the best storywise but lacked it (sex). Now we have this "choose" your girlfriend situation which should have been left for the final season... But branching is easier to write. It's like those TV shows that they don't know how to do a main plot and then split the cast to create many (irrelevant) subplots. Also flashbacks... Another trick of lame writers.
Uh, yup. Pretty much. This is more how I feel about it than what I even said lol.
 
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All I know is
I don't care about the DIKS problems or some hidden camera bullshit
I'm here to simp for beautiful & innocent women like Maya & Josy

I do care about the restaurant stuff though
I need to stop these evil toxic men from taking advantage of innocent girls
Those guys will pay dearly for that
 

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I think I'd like to somewhat reinterpret that one line. "DPC is a bad writer, but a great storyteller". I feel like those mean the same things.

To me, it's more like DPC is great at writing short, impactful scenes and using the VN medium to his advantage when doing so. I just don't think he can handle overarching plots well. You can tell he has great ideas (is this what you mean by storyteller?) but the details and foresight kind of get lost in the weeds here.

It's like he has point A and point C already in his head but when it comes to writing point B, he falls short and things start to not add up or feel contrived. Along the way from Point A to B, he realizes that it doesn't work and is even unsure of Point C now. I feel like we're at Point B for a lot of these story lines.

I think it's why you get some great scenes like when Sage tells MC about being adopted but also stuff like MC being angry at Maya and Josy for no real reason in Ep 3 and 4 or the "fuck fuck fuck" thing at the end of Ep 8 regardless of what you've done on your run.

He's probably already had ideas for those specific scenes and then some chunks of the overarching plot here and there but can't keep things consistent when it comes to writing details for those big ideas or how one scene's writing will affect the subsequent scenes. I don't blame him. Few can do such a feat. But that ultimately determines whether it's a story that can stand on its own without the lewd scenes or it's just a really good VN.

He also does a great job at building up his characters ... only to bring it all crashing down in later seasons. You can say it's because he's showing that the characters are opening up more or are maturing but it just feels like weak writing/downgrading his characters to me. (Also not likely but still possible, even letting outside influences determine what the characters are like)

To that, I second what felice said about the improvisation. Kind of feels like it sometimes. Especially after Season 1.
I'll explain what I mean.
A good storyteller and a good writer are not always the same thing. A script is roughly speaking a story on the basis of which a game is created. And gameplay is the way the narrative is told.

If we take the script out of the game and read it, we will immediately realize how boring and poorly written it is. But we don't notice it because DPC is skillfully controlling the attention and manipulating the players. The game has good music, freeroams which are corridor mini-levels with elements of sandbox, good dialog, interesting characters, mini-games, there are elements of trade, player base where he rests between levels, elements of social interaction, high variability, replayability, etc. All of this allows us to overlook the obvious plot bloopers. If there weren't such long pauses between games, no one would pay so much attention to obvious plot errors like Maya's loan or Jill's picnic.

Narrative design, level design, world design, content design, etc. is done at a good level that keeps the player's attention for the maximum amount of time. But the scripting is pretty poorly written.

To illustrate, I'll give examples of games that have both a good story and a good narrative and games that have a good story but a bad narrative.

An example of a perfect balance is City of Broken Dreamers. An example of a good plot but poor storytelling is The Order of Genesis. It has an intricate and interesting plot, but boring characters and boring dialog.

You're right to point out that he can't link A to C. A problem I also mentioned a long time ago. DPC works according to a flowchart and working on this principle it is much easier to make a mistake than to work according to a ready written script. DPC is really a master of mise-en-scene (if you can apply this term to the game). He has an excellent written and staged scene of the meeting with Zoey, which allows you to feel a wide range of emotions. But in the same episode there is a weird storyline with Sage where MC feels guilty whether he fucked Jade or not.

The upshot is pretty simple. DPC needs to abandon the flowchart and come to a traditional way of writing. It will save him time and the plot will be more meaningful.
 
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I'll explain what I mean.
A good storyteller and a good writer are not always the same thing. A script is roughly speaking a story on the basis of which a game is created. And gameplay is the way the narrative is told.

If we take the script out of the game and read it, we will immediately realize how boring and poorly written it is. But we don't notice it because DPC is skillfully controlling the attention and manipulating the players. The game has good music, freeroams which are corridor mini-levels with elements of sandbpx, good dialog, interesting characters, mini-games, there are elements of trade, player base where he rests between levels, elements of social interaction, high variability, replayability, etc. All of this allows us to overlook the obvious plot bloopers. If there weren't such long pauses between games, no one would pay so much attention to obvious plot errors like Maya's loan or Jill's picnic.

Narrative design, level design, world design, content design, etc. is done at a good level that keeps the player's attention for the maximum amount of time. But the scripting is pretty poorly written.

To illustrate, I'll give examples of games that have both a good story and a good narrative and games that have a good story but a bad narrative.

An example of a perfect balance is City of Broken Dreamers. An example of a good plot but poor storytelling is The Order of Genesis. It has an intricate and interesting plot, but boring characters and boring dialog.

You're right to point out that he can't link A to C. A problem I also mentioned a long time ago. DPC works according to a flowchart and working on this principle it is much easier to make a mistake than to work according to a ready written script. DPC is really a master of mise-en-scene (if you can apply this term to the game). He has an excellent written and staged scene of the meeting with Zoey, which allows you to feel a wide range of emotions. But in the same episode there is a weird storyline with Sage where MC feels guilty whether he fucked Jade or not.

The upshot is pretty simple. DPK needs to abandon the flowchart and come to a traditional way of writing

DPC may not want to hire people, but he should definitely hire a writer. Writing is his weakest point. He can write a very funny and amusing atmosphere, but not much else.

I am expecting DPC to have a stupid grin on his face when MC is revealed as Burgmeister "Yeah, I am fucking genius!'
 
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DPC may not want to hire people, but he should definitely hire a writer. Writing is his weakest point. He can write a very funny and amusing atmosphere, but not much else.
All he has to do is give up his flowchart. He has no idea what he is writing about when he looks at the flowchart. He doesn't have a coherent picture of the world. He could write a 50-100 page script and then give it to a literary editor.
That's why Interlude is his best piece. Every phrase is thought out in it, every action of the hero and Zoey's actions don't seem silly, but are a consequence of character development. I believe that he wrote Interlude in the traditional form of a story and that's why it's done so well and competently.
But I'm afraid that in the future, Zoey will also fall victim to his flowchart.
 

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So. My post with pictures was deleted. Reason: fanart. :WaitWhat:
And I don't quite understand how it works???:WaitWhat:
What I posted before was not fanart???
Or is it because I attached girls' heads to famous characters???:WaitWhat:
Or because I did pretty well this time???:WaitWhat:

Reposted, pictures in the fanart thread.:HideThePain:
In case anyone is interested in Jibuki&Jotsumaki. :KEK:
 
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All he has to do is give up his flowchart. He has no idea what he is writing about when he looks at the flowchart. He doesn't have a coherent picture of the world. He could write a 50-100 page script and then give it to a literary editor.
That's why Interlude is his best piece. Every phrase is thought out in it, every action of the hero and Zoey's actions don't seem silly, but are a consequence of character development. I believe that he wrote Interlude in the traditional form of a story and that's why it's done so well and competently.
But I'm afraid that in the future, Zoey will also fall victim to his flowchart.
At the end of the day, he needs help in the writing dept.
 
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after reading the last few pages i play others->zoey first.
take this haters. :LOL:
:unsure: or maybe lily first like i planed?
o_O but i want to see maya burst into tears after run away with josy.
mmhhhh, rio oh rio. :love:
fuck, what to do first?
 
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can anyone explain to me ho to install season 3? i have the game on gog, and i tries to install the season 3 interlude and episode 9, when i open the game i am getin a lot of errors
 
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