Krytax123

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Say what now? Did you not pay attention to that flashback? Jade found out she couldn't have kids. Burke then jumped into his work. Forgettin about his family. Even stated he didn't want to adopt and gave Jade shit over it. Then he even said he didn't want to raise someone else's kids. Saying that they were broken anyway.

Burke is the bully, not Jade.
Dude get real, its a fucked up situation for both of them. Jade cant get kids but wants kids which gets her in a bad space of mind, this was the only reason steven agreed to adopting kids as he couldnt deny her this wish after she received the bad news.

Steven is a scumbag, but in this case and back than he's not soley to blame.

He didnt adopted because he thought its a good idea, he did it for jade and afterwards realised he just isnt able to love these kids like his own (things like these can happen, you cant decide to love someone). He said these things to his therapist not to jade and he felt like an asshole about it yet wasnt able to change his feelings. I think thats a rather tragic situation for everyone involved.

Yet for tybalt and sage it was probably still better than their circumstances before the adoption. Steven and jade should have just divorced years ago, its was obviously not working for a long time and both of them were at fault in the early stages. Imo dpc potrayed this pretty well as not being a case of black and white case
 

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Thoughts on Ep 10: Just too many minigames & maybe Brawler was too easy but now I find it impossible. When you get 11 Rage hitting the weakest character & you see the bar barely move that's disheartening to say the least.
I see a decent amount of people have been complaining about the new brawler and honestly I completely disagree. The new one perfectly captures the basic mechanics of the old version, while adding just enough complexity to it to make it more interesting. And it honestly perfectly fits with the MC's progression in fighting, with the introduction of distinguishing blocks from dodges shows how the MC is learning how to use both effectively. If you're having a rough time and are on normal difficulty, my recommendation is to get your stamina to 3 and if you have any extra skillpoints I personally prioritized power and then counter, but if you're on hard difficulty or having issues with timing you might want speed. Rage is underpowered right now and I think it's better to conserve your stamina for dodges so you can get more hits off without taking too much damage from blocking. It's fine to use the strong punches that use stamina sometimes, but it's important that you're getting a dodge almost every time or else higher-level opponents are probably just gonna hit you enough times to knock you out even if you are successfully blocking. If you are doing it on hard mode then I think you just gotta swallow your pride and lower the difficulty, I was 7 for 7 on normal mode so you should be able to do it fairly easily on normal.

As far as the other minigames here's my opinion:

Math: It's fine I guess, I kinda liked the IQ test questions in the last chapter, but I really don't have a preference for either, they take about the same amount of brainpower. The only downside of this minigame is that it's harder to cheat (literally, not in game) so if you play multiple playthroughs and you don't have all minigames turned off then you can't just easily skip through these tests like you could in the past.

English: DPC finally added the ability to type your answers and still somehow fucked it up lmao. At least in my opinion the timer goes down so much quicker; obviously the timer would be faster now that we can type but I don't think its balanced very well.

Science: Good minigame, not much to complain about, arguably too easy but we shall see if that holds true in future versions.

Beer Pong: Worst minigame in the entire update. What little strategy there is in the minigame doesn't make the minigame fun at all imo, it's just an RNG fest. I get what DPC was going for, but it really just felt like a placeholder of a minigame. If I could make it differently, I would make Arc Shots require you to do 3 of DPC's classic slider games (you know, like with the pancake minigame in past episodes) one for accuracy, one for power, and one for the arc; hitting all 3 gets you a cup. If you really wanted to go above and beyond, instead of just sliders you can do a graphic that shows an image of your opponents remaining cups then an indicator that slides left and right across the board, then up and down, and then if both sliders lined up to a cup you would get an arc slider which operates similar to the regular one, you just have to hit the "sweet spot". In that case, similar to real beer pong, you can miss the cup you were aiming for and still hit a cup nearby. Then I'd give you the option for Bullet Shots (Fastball) where you have just one slider for accuracy but it has a significantly smaller sweet spot that you have to hit. And then if you want to add Bounce Shots you can do the RNG there, so at least you have the option not to rely on RNG. When the other player is shooting you can keep the same "tease" or "focus" options, but instead of just changing the RNG they shrink (or increase) the sweet spot for the sliders (and modify the RNG for Bounce Shots). If you wanna add the whole "Action Points" functionality to it, you can keep that for Bounce Shots and then you just have to figure out how to balance that so Bounce Shots feel worthwhile enough to justify requiring AP for. -- Thats just the bare minimum imo, but you could also add the "drunk effect" that some beer pong games have had in the past, where your shots get more difficult the more cups your opponent has made (shrinking the sweet spot in your sliders), or you could add the ability to personally block your opponents' Bounce Shots similar to the counter QTE in the Brawler minigame.

Party Planning: Not a new minigame, nor has anything really been added to this version, but I've never liked how there are so many different board layouts. All layouts are not made equally and if I get a bad one then I just get fucked with it and have to deal with it. Why? Why can't you just make one layout that you feel is a reasonable difficulty? Just so it's harder for people to look up the perfect solution and just do that? Why do you care how people play your single player game so much? If someone wants to do that, go ahead... and if you want to challenge yourself, you can do that too. That's the point of a game...
 
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Geralt From Rivia

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You know Chip is likely right you'll end up loving Josy again but I won't I say I told you so :ROFLMAO: ;) Like Chip Josy has always been my favorite the one true best girl. I will give you Maya has grown on me last few episodes, she easy to poke fun at and only thing I really have against her is sometimes she doesn't treat Josy good.
No, Chip just want that everybody else loved Josy like he do. I'm very disappointed in her personality, and DPC need to do some miracle than I can like her again, changing my mind.
She started dropping after Ep.9 for me, firstly or 3rd MGs rank, now it much worse.
She's hot and wild, but that's not enough for me, in this game I look more for characters and their personality, not just bunch of pixels
 

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No, Chip just want that everybody else loved Josy like he do. I'm very disappointed in her personality, and DPC need to do some miracle than I can like her again, changing my mind.
She started dropping after Ep.9 for me, firstly or 3rd MGs rank, now it much worse.
She's hot and wild, but that's not enough for me, in this game I look more for characters and their personality, not just bunch of pixels
I have no idea what DPC is doing with Josy and apparently not even the DPC himself knows. Josy has been regressing a lot as a character since episode 9. I found Josy's behavior during the MC's visit in episode 10 to be a real horror show.
 

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Steven is a scumbag, but in this case and back than he's not soley to blame.
Really? Hmm He was the one that dropped out first. What else was Jade supposed to do? "Hey, honey, I know you're having a rough time. Let me suck your dick and make it all better."? Man, fuck Burke.
 

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No, Chip just want that everybody else loved Josy like he do. I'm very disappointed in her personality, and DPC need to do some miracle than I can like her again, changing my mind.
She started dropping after Ep.9 for me, firstly or 3rd MGs rank, now it much worse.
She's hot and wild, but that's not enough for me, in this game I look more for characters and their personality, not just bunch of pixels
As a fellow Josy lover I don't blame him but you know it could be far worse there could be a Josy army saying Alady like me :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: I find nothing wrong with her personality sure sometimes she puts her feelings aside for Maya don't I find that takes away from her but adds and she still gets the things she wants mostly, on path anyway.
 
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Really? Hmm He was the one that dropped out first. What else was Jade supposed to do? "Hey, honey, I know you're having a rough time. Let me suck your dick and make it all better."? Man, fuck Burke.
He was very open and honest about his own misbehavior and bad attitude in his talk to the therapist so my take is what he said about jade is somewhat true (no affection in the relationship, no love, no sex, not able to talk with each other, her being angry).

There are a lot of similaritys between that and sage/chad's relationship even tho for different reasons. Steven lacks the communicaton/social skills to manage that (in opposite to the mc with sage) and seemingly never was as he already felt like jade never listens to him back than. It was just a doomed relationship, they should have broken up back than instead of adopting kids in a loveless marraige.
 
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We remember what Jill was like before. She blindly trusted Tybalt and even believed that he was a “good guy.” To say that she was naive is to put it mildly; from her point of view, probably even Unicorns and pink ponies existed.
Now Jill is in the stage of insight and as she herself said: “I don’t know what to believe now.” The world that was familiar to her collapsed and she was in search of answers; she began to doubt if she saw a reason not to fully trust a person.
So I can't say that Jill is very "bad".

P.S.: Me being and talking pro-Jill things, if someone said this to me year ago...
Jill is the same as before... She goes to Trent to thank him for not turning MC in, not to investigate what Tybalt told her. It is Trent who "shakes up" Jill's world, fortunately he decides not to cover up Tybalt's lies. It took her 3 chapters to do the most normal thing in the world, I don't think there is a better representation of the term retarded...
 

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Because he dropped out
He was very open and honest about his own misbehavior and bad attitude in his talk to the therapist so my take is what he said about jade is somewhat true (no affection in the relationship, no love, no sex, not able to talk with each other, her being angry).

There are a lot of similaritys between that and sage/chad's relationship even tho for different reasons. Steven lacks the communicaton/social skills to manage that (in opposite to the mc with sage) and seemingly never was as he already felt like jade never listens to him back than. It was just a doomed relationship, they should have broken up back than instead of adopting kids in a loveless marraige.
Because he dropped out first. She shouldn't kiss his ass.
 

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What else was Jade supposed to do? "Hey, honey, I know you're having a rough time. Let me suck your dick and make it all better."
There's not much she could do, but that's what makes the situation tough for both of them. Jade wanted kids and Stephen didn't know how to tell her no because she just went through a tragic revelation. Stephen may not have done everything right, but he acted wrong in an understandable way. It's tough to tell your barren wife who was obsessed with having kids that you don't want to adopt and its even tough to leave someone you love because you disagree on a pretty damn important life choice. He should have communicated that he wasn't comfortable adopting kids and they should have went their separate ways if they couldn't come to terms with that. But it's very human to have a hard time doing that, and maybe Jade could have been a tad more receptive to his hesitation, but again, that's also a very human thing to have a hard time doing, especially when you just found out you're barren.
 

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There's not much she could do, but that's what makes the situation tough for both of them. Jade wanted kids and Stephen didn't know how to tell her no because she just went through a tragic revelation. Stephen may not have done everything right, but he acted wrong in an understandable way. It's tough to tell your barren wife who was obsessed with having kids that you don't want to adopt and its even tough to leave someone you love because you disagree on a pretty damn important life choice. He should have communicated that he wasn't comfortable adopting kids and they should have went their separate ways if they couldn't come to terms with that. But it's very human to have a hard time doing that, and maybe Jade could have been a tad more receptive to his hesitation, but again, that's also a very human thing to have a hard time doing, especially when you just found out you're barren.
I never said differently. I said that he checked out after finding out she couldn't have kids. Once that happened, people can't expect her to stay all "I'm so happy. I'll suck your dick."
 

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I have no idea what DPC is doing with Jill and apparently not even the DPC himself knows. Jill has been regressing a lot as a character since episode 9. I found Jill behavior during the MC's visit in episode 10 to be a real horror show.
 

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I understood that the DPC wanted to give a hint that the MC would have his loyalty questioned, but there were better characters (like Leon or Nick for example) to question the MC about his loyalty.



Getting Jill to talk to Trent just now just made Jill even dumber. DPC needs to pay attention to these details, otherwise we will be forced to turn off our brains when we play the next episodes.



I took a look at the code. The yoga class scene happens regardless of whether the player is on Bella's route or not. Everything makes sense now. The DPC's laziness was so big that he tried to mix the two scenarios (MC and Bella in a relationship or not) and that's what happened. In other words, Bella actually only had 2 exclusive events: The off-campus lunch and the TV night. Jeez...
I understood that the DPC wanted to give a hint that the MC would have his loyalty questioned, but there were better characters (like Leon or Nick for example) to question the MC about his loyalty.



Getting Jill to talk to Trent just now just made Jill even dumber. DPC needs to pay attention to these details, otherwise we will be forced to turn off our brains when we play the next episodes.



I took a look at the code. The yoga class scene happens regardless of whether the player is on Bella's route or not. Everything makes sense now. The DPC's laziness was so big that he tried to mix the two scenarios (MC and Bella in a relationship or not) and that's what happened. In other words, Bella actually only had 2 exclusive events: The off-campus lunch and the TV night. Jeez...

Regarding loyalty, yeah. If DPC's really hard-working, he'd have different people doing the questioning, like: Tommy (on J&M path) instead of zoning out like a retard, Nick if MC's on Bella's path, not into fishes and sharing info, even Derek if the player punks him enough, doesn't spend time with Maya, and doesn't do the Hell Week stuffs. Hell, just someone who's unhappiest with the party plans could be fine.

Also agreed on Jill. She was written to be naive & kind, but now she's just dumb. That, along with how she looks like Amelia's older sister make her a really lazily made character.

Bella should have more exclusive scenes than that. I guess DPC considers scenes like drunk MC at her house, staying at her place after J&M was revealed, her morning yoga session with Jill & MC, the odd job stacking books all exclusive. She deserves many more than that, but I guess it probably tips the scale for her too much and it would seem like the game railroads towards her. Maybe some less personal one-on-ones would give the player more freedom to study her character in a more open way, like: a teacher-student counseling session, a chance meeting at the convenience store, some mandatory orientations for freshmen with her as an assistant, an alumni-student networking event, an open house, some data entry session for $$, etc.
 
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buggs

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I never said differently. I said that he checked out after finding out she couldn't have kids. Once that happened, people can't expect her to stay all "I'm so happy. I'll suck your dick."
I feel like that's not all you said though. You said Stephen is the bully. Taking everything in the game into account, sure, but talking about this specific flashback, not exactly.
 

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Just to clarify: I understand when you Josy fans don't agree or take offense when I say something you don't like. As I've known you both for a while I'll try to be clearer.

My criticism about the fact that Josy regressed as a character from episode 9 onwards is based on the scenario where my MC does not have a romance with Josy unlike your MC.

I'm not criticizing the way the DPC is approaching Josy when she's in a relationship with the MC. I'm criticizing how Josy acts when the MC has already rejected her from the beginning.
 

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DPC is clueless about that street life, the drug plot was always bad but now we have Vinny questioning his source for info on the dealers client who happens to be his family no less, like holy shit, try and fish info like that irl and see how long you last on the streets... It makes no sense, oh boo hoo you lost some clients that buy weed so let's escalate to kidnapping...

WTF is DPC thinking with this shit...
Buddy sharing info and bullshitting Quinn is not what is wrong with the drug plot though. Buddy obviously hates Quinn, so if he can get rid of her without damaging his business too much, he would. He clearly just keeps her around due to loyalty to Rox.

The plot is very superficial and have tons of loose ends and stuff, but nothing of what you said is problematic to the plot.
 

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That's how it works and that's what the minigame guide tells: players won't get more than what you got.

If you don't raise them in the first 2 season you won't get anything.
As the post you quoted mentioned, I had maxed out my skills in the earlier versions. So then, the question I have is what kind of stats are the rest of you seeing if you had maxed out earlier as I did?
 

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OK, but why can't she say the same thing to herself?
Because Saint Quinn, the almighty, completely brainwashed Rio into being dependent on her for validation.
Also, i can probably guess Rio already had self esteem problems before meeting Quinn, we all know Quinn is not the best influence (it depends) nor a good person to rely on.
 
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