VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

mc is 19 years old ... so Lynette's photo may be 20 years old and Jill's parents bought the house 1 year later around the time Lynette died. At that time Jill herself was a baby or toddler and Bianca probably wasn't much older since Jill and her are kind of childhood friends. We will see if they remember something ...

Maybe the photo is just there for Jill to enforce her "my destiny" feeling for mc?

neither Jill nor her family knew Lynette's family directly; Bianca's family may have known them a little better, having brokered the sale for them.

I don't think such a strong clue comes down to a bit of rhetoric about fate, something has to be there. it could be an important memory or something that physically stayed there

I would hazard a guess that cheating with Zoey would be mandatory and unavoidable. Otherwise, Zoey's universality on all paths, the same scenes and lines on all paths make no sense.

already Zoey is generally "unloved", making her a forced betrayal would be a bad move, and I don't see it going in that direction either.
apparently if upon her return MC declares that he is still mad at her this compromises much of their relationship

 

[f96zonetrooper]

In EP10 Josy herself tells Maya that a beard is the solution for Maya

In Ep10 they are all together and talk about the upcoming Thanksgiving event at Maya's home. Josy explains it before Maya can answer but her reaction is rather clueless. see for yourself :

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[Ottoeight]

You put too much emphasis on the previews. Out of 30 previews of the last ep 3 or 4 are good, most of them are boring and uninformative. These previews generally show that work is in progress and serve to fill the void between episodes.
Instead of previews, he could have each written a hello in patreon and the effect would have been the same.

Yep. They mostly are pointless and totally out of context.

Our main problem in discussing theories of this game, which gives rise to multi-page theories, is that we do not consider the game holistically, but only piecemeal.
DPC looks at the game as a whole product, in his mind there is a beginning and an end.
Once the game is finished and released on steam, the player will play it as a holistic project, without months of waiting and digging into the code. The player is unlikely to go through more than two branches. And in order for the player to have a lot of freedom of action, he needs to be given a wide variation, and often very strange. So, for example, why is Maya fixated on the DIK MC and admits to thinking about him even though she herself rejected him because of his status? A player can avoid her altogether the entire game, but Maya has feelings for him for some strange reason? It made more sense to make Maya exclusive to Chick, but DPC realizes that the path of the Others is mostly players with DIK affinity and he therefore gives the option for everyone to go the path of Maya.


I would hazard a guess that cheating with Zoey would be mandatory and unavoidable. Otherwise, Zoey's universality on all paths, the same scenes and lines on all paths make no sense.

Our main problem is that the thread is full of trolls. They just crave for people's reactions.

The second problem is that I'll be a grandpa when the game is finished and on Steam.

I disagree with you on Zoey. You'll bang her if you wanna bang her.

Maya and the MC kiss in episode 2 and 3 whatever you want it or not. For the sake of the story, Maya and the Main character have a mutual crush on each other. Their mutual attraction is canon, at least in the first season.

A lot of people here still won't - and never will - acknowledge the fact that Josy & Maya - and Zoey in her flashbacks - are the only unavoidable Love Interests.

You can't avoid them: you can choose to be friend with Jill, Bella and Sage and never date them since the very beginning, but MC is romantically interested in Josy and in Maya no matter what you do.

This is why whatever you do - I repeat: WHATEVER YOU DO - if you stay friends with Josy&Maya in the library (ep. 4), in episode 5 Derek will ask: "what about my sis?" and you will have to choose between being over it / still having feelings for Josy / still having feelings for Maya.

But I get that players who dislike Josy and/or Maya as LIs will never recognise it. That's how they are.

 

[felicemastronzo]

That kiss doesn't mean anything at all. He's kissed practically every girl in the game.
Also, the MC doesn't act like he's in love with Maya.
He leaves to party all night in ep2 even though it's obvious Maya wants to spend time with him. He may go off for a threesome with Riona and Quinn and leaves Maya alone in the room again.

in theory I would agree with you, but it is clear that DPC considers MC to be interested in the 5 LIs anyway and vice versa.

for example when he is awkwardly studying with Jill, Maya and Josy in the library, even though he would have no reason to, or when he is caught in a crisis of conscience after Jill's recital (the first time I saw that scene was in Sage's "faithful" run, a completely nonsensical scene)

which is a bit of a stretch, but the game is going in that direction there is no point in opposing it

 

[P0iSON]

This is why whatever you do - I repeat: WHATEVER YOU DO - if you stay friends with Josy&Maya in the library (ep. 4), in episode 5 Derek will ask: "what about my sis?" and you will have to choose between being over it / still having feelings for Josy / still having feelings for Maya.

But at the same time, the only one who loves the MC is Jill - the rest are just players.

 

[supakrupa]

Is there any where to see which decisions have an impact on which outcomes? For example, on my first run Sage was with us when we went to Maya/Derek's home. Second time round, she was not.

Wondering whether that had an impact on the successful of the "mission" or not. There's so many other things I'm keen to see too.

 

[Chinran]

So I've decided to finally play this. Do I need to download and play the season 1-2 first and then 3 or can I just download 3 to play it all?

 

[Ray_D]

So I've decided to finally play this. Do I need to download and play the season 1-2 first and then 3 or can I just download 3 to play it all?

Download the first and second season. Once you finish you can start season 3.

 

[Chinran]

Download the first and second season. Once you finish you can start season 3.

thanks

 

[ChipLecsap]

Yep. They mostly are pointless and totally out of context.




Our main problem is that the thread is full of trolls. They just crave for people's reactions.

The second problem is that I'll be a grandpa when the game is finished and on Steam.

I disagree with you on Zoey. You'll bang her if you wanna bang her.




A lot of people here still won't - and never will - acknowledge the fact that Josy & Maya - and Zoey in her flashbacks - are the only unavoidable Love Interests.

You can't avoid them: you can choose to be friend with Jill, Bella and Sage and never date them since the very beginning, but MC is romantically interested in Josy and in Maya no matter what you do.

This is why whatever you do - I repeat: WHATEVER YOU DO - if you stay friends with Josy&Maya in the library (ep. 4), in episode 5 Derek will ask: "what about my sis?" and you will have to choose between being over it / still having feelings for Josy / still having feelings for Maya.

But I get that players who dislike Josy and/or Maya as LIs will never recognise it. That's how they are.

small correction, there is a mandatory Date With Jill, the Tennis date. oh and there was an unavoidable Bella Date, that lead to MC getting drunk and kiss Bella. I think there is at least 1-2 moment that is fully unavoidable with every main girl for the sake of plot, Sage might have the least, or more specifically Sage is the one where the player get a choice how to react to her approach. in this list Bella is the second, out side of the drunk scene there is one more scene where MC goes to thank her, and they end up kissing in the library. Jill has the mandatory Date, MC climbing at her balcony ask her out on a date. Wiht Maya you get a bit more freedome also, one mandatory kissing scene, but everythign else is player choice, Josy is the one that is Really a canon no matter what MC has feelign for her at least until episode 5, where you get the first choice to say, I fully moved on

now with zoey arrival, I would say, at least this is how I see it that, the canon girls are Zoey and Josy, I might add Jill a bit, because before Zoey arival , the plot was a bit of MC leaving his old crush Josy, and meet his new crush Jill and it is so awkward when the two of them develop a friendship , at least for MC , the plot was kind of lean in to this a bit, - until dpc decided Zoey need to come back - , but this was a very visible concept of the earlier episodes, of course there was also implemented a free for all playstyle at the same time , but episode 4 was the first so called turning point where things started to deviate from each other.

in short, Josy and Jill was already serving the " ex-girlfriend come back scenarios " in some extend , so Zoey really add nothing to the game that was already not there. thats why she not really works, because the game not started with MC tending his wounded heart because of Zoey, but it started with him gushing over Josy, and he start a new chapter in his live with the possibility of never finding out what might have been, until Josy arival at B&R.

and if MC decide to stay friend with them or they reject MC in episode 4, this whole concept of " What could have been " is still an ongoing plot, in some extent regarding MC and Josy.

so whether folks like it or not, but you are a bit right, Josy is every possible way the Canon Girl of the story of Badik , so looks like she is one of the most important character after all.

 

[sighonara]

Download the first and second season. Once you finish you can start season 3.

I assume once the full game is released it will all be in one package. I'm curious if it will be repackaged after season 3 is finished to include seasons 1 - 3 all together. Given how the industry works, I doubt it.

 

[Joshy92]

I didn't like having to go on that date with Jill.
But I understand why the mc did it.

But really why would I try to get closer to another girl when Maya is my sweetheart?

 

[felicemastronzo]

small correction, there is a mandatory Date With Jill, the Tennis date. oh and there was an unavoidable Bella Date, that lead to MC getting drunk and kiss Bella. I think there is at least 1-2 moment that is fully unavoidable with every main girl for the sake of plot, Sage might have the least, or more specifically Sage is the one where the player get a choice how to react to her approach. in this list Bella is the second, out side of the drunk scene there is one more scene where MC goes to thank her, and they end up kissing in the library. Jill has the mandatory Date, MC climbing at her balcony ask her out on a date. Wiht Maya you get a bit more freedome also, one mandatory kissing scene, but everythign else is player choice, Josy is the one that is Really a canon no matter what MC has feelign for her at least until episode 5, where you get the first choice to say, I fully moved on

now with zoey arrival, I would say, at least this is how I see it that, the canon girls are Zoey and Josy, I might add Jill a bit, because before Zoey arival , the plot was a bit of MC leaving his old crush Josy, and meet his new crush Jill and it is so awkward when the two of them develop a friendship , at least for MC , the plot was kind of lean in to this a bit, - until dpc decided Zoey need to come back - , but this was a very visible concept of the earlier episodes, of course there was also implemented a free for all playstyle at the same time , but episode 4 was the first so called turning point where things started to deviate from each other.

in short, Josy and Jill was already serving the " ex-girlfriend come back scenarios " in some extend , so Zoey really add nothing to the game that was already not there. thats why she not really works, because the game not started with MC tending his wounded heart because of Zoey, but it started with him gushing over Josy, and he start a new chapter in his live with the possibility of never finding out what might have been, until Josy arival at B&R.

and if MC decide to stay friend with them or they reject MC in episode 4, this whole concept of " What could have been " is still an ongoing plot, in some extent regarding MC and Josy.

so whether folks like it or not, but you are a bit right, Josy is every possible way the Canon Girl of the story of Badik , so looks like she is one of the most important character after all.

a small correction to the small correction.

with Jill it is true that there is an unavoidable date, but it is also true that before this date there is a choice by the player, whether to go there out of interest in Jill or to spite Tybalt, and during the date there is no repentance in this. and Jill, depending on how MC behaves (more out of affinity than direct choices) may not have a great impression of him.

with Josy what is inevitable is the crush between the 2 and the 2 dates Josy arranges. but they really talk to each other 2 times, and say goodbye to each other at least 2 times (canon). so there remains a crush and more on Josy's part.

 

[Ottoeight]

Is there any where to see which decisions have an impact on which outcomes? For example, on my first run Sage was with us when we went to Maya/Derek's home. Second time round, she was not.

Wondering whether that had an impact on the successful of the "mission" or not. There's so many other things I'm keen to see too.

Oh yes. You either can:

1) play and see the outcome after a few episodes;
2) or read the walkthroughs;
3) or decompile the code game and read it.

Sage being with you / not being with you doesn't change the outcome, BUT it's crystal clear to me that you get a far more interesting / better story if she is with you.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Is there any where to see which decisions have an impact on which outcomes? For example, on my first run Sage was with us when we went to Maya/Derek's home. Second time round, she was not.

Wondering whether that had an impact on the successful of the "mission" or not. There's so many other things I'm keen to see too.

If you look at the character biographies on mc's phone you can see all important player decisions regarding each character. This may give a hint why some characters react different compared to a previous playthrough.

And as already mentioned in the post above : If you want to have the full picture, read the Official Walkthroughs linked in the OP under Extras or use "unren" tool to extract and decompile the script files.

 

[ChipLecsap]

a small correction to the small correction.

with Jill it is true that there is an unavoidable date, but it is also true that before this date there is a choice by the player, whether to go there out of interest in Jill or to spite Tybalt, and during the date there is no repentance in this. and Jill, depending on how MC behaves (more out of affinity than direct choices) may not have a great impression of him.

with Josy what is inevitable is the crush between the 2 and the 2 dates Josy arranges. but they really talk to each other 2 times, and say goodbye to each other at least 2 times (canon). so there remains a crush and more on Josy's part.

True, Jill does indeed react more negatively toward a Dik affinity guy, but that is kind of a wider subject, you know my stance about the whole affinity system.

as for josy, also true, but it also a wider subject. episode 5 is the one where you actually can get a closure as a player. I think you might even decide to not be there when Josy's father arrive, - I'm not sure never tired it, so i dont know if the game force you to either help josy or go to find maya, - but generaly speaking you get a chance to have a conversation with them, and only after you get the choice to tell Derek what you as the player feel, and from that point it indeed can be interprated as a one sided crush, but the recet episode when you visit Josy still give the implication, that " Yeah girl its to late now, I'm with someone else "

its a bit complicated when its come to Josy and Maya, I used to think dpc write himself in to a corner, but I think now, that he wrote himself into a freaking Maze and he not find the way out in an organic way , so to speak, thanks to his previous miss-steps. They are the earliest that can shut the player down from their path, and that also happen at least 2 different way.
He over complicated the things a lot when its comes to them.

 

[Sun of Rome]

True, Jill does indeed react more negatively toward a Dik affinity guy, but that is kind of a wider subject, you know my stance about the whole affinity system.

as for josy, also true, but it also a wider subject. episode 5 is the one where you actually can get a closure as a player. I think you might even decide to not be there when Josy's father arrive, - I'm not sure never tired it, so i dont know if the game force you to either help josy or go to find maya, - but generaly speaking you get a chance to have a conversation wiht them, and only after you get the choice to tell Derek what you as the player feel, and from that point it indeed can be interprated as a one sided crush, but the recet episode when you visit Josy still give the implication, that " Yeah girl its to late now, I'm with someone else "

its a bit complicated when its come to Josy and Maya, I used to think dpc write himself in to a corner, but I think now, that he wrote himself into a freaking Maze and he not find the way out in an organic way , so to speak, thanks to his previous miss-steps. They are the earliest that can shut the play down from their path, and that also happen at least 2 different way.
He over complicated the things a lot when its comes to them.

Josy would be in love with the player anyway regardless of his actions. The player just won't know it.
I don't see this as any kind of canonicality, but just plain ego on the part of DPC.
It's no secret that the MC is DPC's own Marty Sue.
The player will be happy to see that Josy will be in love with him anyway, even if he's in a relationship with another girl and has no intention of breaking up with her. The same goes for Zoey.
You could call it something like a pseudo-harem or even an anti-harem. The game isn't really harem by definition, but it is harem-like in the sense that the girls around MC are still hanging around and suffering from love for him.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Josy would be in love with the player anyway regardless of his actions. The player just won't know it.
I don't see this as any kind of canonicality, but just plain ego on the part of DPC.
It's no secret that the MC is DPC's own Marty Sue.
The player will be happy to see that Josy will be in love with him anyway, even if he's in a relationship with another girl and has no intention of breaking up with her. The same goes for Zoey.
You could call it something like a pseudo-harem or even an anti-harem. The game isn't really harem by definition, but it is harem-like in the sense that the girls around MC are still hanging around and suffering from love for him.

The player will be happy to see that Josy will be in love with him anyway,

No they dont, did you not saw all the comments when people freak out about how Josy forced herself on MC and raped him in the latest episode?!

 

[The Krogan Dude]

The player will be happy to see that Josy will be in love with him anyway, even if he's in a relationship with another girl and has no intention of breaking up with her. The same goes for Zoey.

Meh, the players will be happy to see that Josy and Zoey aren't fucking other guys. That's a shame because that would be super hot but the anti-NTR crowd is more insecure than a virgin in a brothel and DPC has no guts.

Only hardcore Josy simps begging for a Josy solo path may have found that flattering. Obviously most players in a relationship with another LI were more annoyed that anything. Check the average reaction on reddit.



And if haters like me were supposed to feel sorry for her complete lack of dignity, that's another EPIC FAIL, DPC !

 

[Kpyna]

is that the case? She has a bunch of the DIK pictures, but the Cathy flyer? My hypothesis is that she rather posts those DIK photos as a revenge for Cathy, blaming them that she had to quit?!

Granted one could argue that she would take that picture down first and then post the DIK pictures if that would be the case.

EP8 left | EP10 right
pay attention to hands, nails and outfit



maya "I'll help remove the posters I find."
mc "Could you?"
maya "Yeah, it's not a problem. I did it with Cathy's posters, too."
maya "I don't get it. Even after she quit, someone still puts them up in the hallways."

We know that Cathy quit at the EP7, while Beth continued to spread this posters in EP8 and so far.

Something tells me that Dawe won't be an Alphas president anymore