VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Geralt From Rivia]

What makes you say that? Even Zoey seems to think leaving him was a mistake.

I mean it's Zoey haters usual whining.

 

[Porthas]

I mean it's Zoey haters usual whining.

Annnddd you think they don't have legit reasons to "hate" the character? Is that why you call it cringe?

 

[DavDR]

Huh. I don't quite look at the relationship angle the same way you do. If MC values the relationship between him and Zoey and he's mad at her for not valuing it as much, it's not "him and his penis" - it's a relationship. But hey, that's just my opinion. I can sympathize with both things:

People being irritated with dev for introducing this storyline/character too late.
People being irritated with Zoey on behalf of MC because she didn't value the relationship highly enough.

Now do I think it's all her fault or do I not sympathize at all with Zoey? Nah, I mean, people make mistakes and can miss seeing something right in front of them. The MC does it as well, he doesn't say anything and keeps his feelings to himself. He could have spoken up. He may have felt selfish doing so, idk. That's how it comes across.

It's funny how everyone interprets the situation differently.

In the interlude I saw Zoey leave to pursue her so called dream, which was a bit shallow in the first place. She had never so much as touched a surf board before but was certain that was her dream?

Anyway, I seem to remember a scene where she had second thoughts about the MC and, having spent all of her inheritance, comes back to pick up the relationship where she dropped it. Only problem is MC didn't wait around for her and got on with his life and is probably (depending on the players choices) in a relationship with someone else. I know that if that happened to me irl I think I would find it pretty annoying, her just coming back like that and expecting him to just remain where she dropped him.

 

[Joshy92]

I like Zoey.
I would even ask her to be in my poly relationship with Maya, Josy, Lily, Jill, Riona, Arieth & Quinn.

Imagine all the lesbian action I could watch.
Talk about heaven.

Also, if we all live together, we would save lots of money.

 

[Porthas]

It's funny how everyone interprets the situation differently.

In the interlude I saw Zoey leave to pursue her so called dream, which was a bit shallow in the first place. She had never so much as touched a surf board before but was certain that was her dream?

Anyway, I seem to remember a scene where she had second thoughts about the MC and, having spent all of her inheritance, comes back to pick up the relationship where she dropped it. Only problem is MC didn't wait around for her and got on with his life and is probably (depending on the players choices) in a relationship with someone else. I know that if that happened to me irl I think I would find it pretty annoying, her just coming back like that and expecting him to just remain where she dropped him.

Yes, I do find that part of her annoying, for a good chunk of her life she doesn't seem aware of the impact she had on MC with their relationship.

So far I find her character tolerable but not terribly interesting nor am I "invested" in her character as part of the story - at least not as invested as, say, Josy or Sage, etc.

I guess it depends on what DPC "makes" the MC do in the future with her. There are times DPC gives us a lot of agency then there are times he is annoyingly inconsistent with that and rips agency away. We'll see how it unfolds, I suppose. If I don't die of old age first.

 

[Porthas]

I like Zoey.
I would even ask her to be in my poly relationship with Maya, Josy, Lily, Jill, Riona, Arieth & Quinn.

Imagine all the lesbian action I could watch.
Talk about heaven.

Also, if we all live together, we would save lots of money.

Just as long as I'm given agency to not watch all that lesbo action and still enjoy the game, we're good.

 

[DavDR]

Yes, I do find that part of her annoying, for a good chunk of her life she doesn't seem aware of the impact she had on MC with their relationship.

So far I find her character tolerable but not terribly interesting nor am I "invested" in her character as part of the story - at least not as invested as, say, Josy or Sage, etc.

I guess it depends on what DPC "makes" the MC do in the future with her. There are times DPC gives us a lot of agency then there are times he is annoyingly inconsistent with that and rips agency away. We'll see how it unfolds, I suppose. If I don't die of old age first.

Yes it is odd, I've never quite figured out what DPC's intent was in adding the Interlude and bringing Zoey back into the game.

 

[Porthas]

Yes it is odd, I've never quite figured out what DPC's intent was in adding the Interlude and bringing Zoey back into the game.

Well my guess is "to add drama" - we've got all these women at the... episode 9 party? asking why your "ex-girlfriend" is there and I suppose DPC means for MC to feel some anxiety, and also the player to feel a little anxiety on behalf of MC.

But I don't feel it. Not the same as I do, say, when I'm into the story and I have to break up with Jill because I've picked Sage or Bella over her. Since there's no player agency with Zoey, there's no player investment.

I'm not sure why developers seem to not understand this, while seeming to also understand this. So yes. Odd.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Annnddd you think they don't have legit reasons to "hate" the character? Is that why you call it cringe?

This is honestly a weird reason. Blame her for leaving the guy, although he was a little coward and didn't tell her about his real feelings, thereby not giving objective reasons to stay, she perceived him as a friend+.
They actually hate Interlude and Zoey because it delayed the Ep.9 develompent, and the simps who see her as a threat to their waifus.
I registered here after the Interlude and saw all this.

 

[DavDR]

This is honestly a weird reason. Blame her for leaving the guy, although he was a little coward and didn't tell her about his real feelings, thereby not giving objective reasons to stay, she perceived him as a friend+.
They actually hate Interlude and Zoey because it delayed the Ep.9 develompent, and the simps who see her as a threat to their waifus.
I registered here after the Interlude and saw all this.

That's a very weird perspective, you seem to blame the MC for the whole relationship with Zoey not working out but give her a free pass. It's especially weird when it's written so that the player doesn't even have the choice to say anything or not.

 

[Porthas]

This is honestly a weird reason. Blame her for leaving the guy, although he was a little coward and didn't tell her about his real feelings, thereby not giving objective reasons to stay, she perceived him as a friend+.

To play half devil's advocate and half of how I see things... it seems you put it all on him to not "be a little coward" - it seems to me they were both little cowards.

But I'm old school. I don't get this whole "not understanding what love is" stuff. You either like somebody or you don't. You either wanna hang around them, kiss them, talk to them and be with them, or you don't. It's not rocket science to me.

Zoey should have understood he meant a lot to her and she should have stayed and talked to him about it and considered his feelings before going off. And MC should have understood and talked to her about it and told her how he felt as well. It's the classic soap opera "not talking to one another" thing that DPC made happen.

So DPC gets all the blame and so do years of soap opera's.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

That's a very weird perspective, you seem to blame the MC for the whole relationship with Zoey not working out but give her a free pass. It's especially weird when it's written so that the player doesn't even have the choice to say anything or not.

Of course, this is partly his fault. Be a man and tell the girl how you feel, don’t put it off until it’s too late. His relationship problems and the drama in the aftermath are due to a lack of communication.
Her only fault is that she did not consider Tremolo as a loved one in time and may also miss her chance because of this.
In general, typical mistakes of teenagers. But if they had behaved as rationally as possible, BaDIK didn't exist in that case, and they both lived in Miami as a couple.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

This is honestly a weird reason. Blame her for leaving the guy, although he was a little coward and didn't tell her about his real feelings, thereby not giving objective reasons to stay, she perceived him as a friend+.
They actually hate Interlude and Zoey because it delayed the Ep.9 develompent, and the simps who see her as a threat to their waifus.
I registered here after the Interlude and saw all this.

I don't think Mc got cold feet. but on the contrary, he was afraid that if he confessed his feelings, then somehow she would react coldly or with repulsive maneuvers... Mc for her was like a friend as well as consolation and entertainment.. in reality there are many of them. be it a girl or a guy, admit your feelings to each other, something awkward will happen, then your previous relationship will not be the same, this is the situation everywhere... both are to blame, and both were, let's say, too young to understand about feelings, now having matured a little, you will understand some things. both have moved away and are moving according to circumstances until life pushes you together again)))

I think DPC just wanted to show us a life situation, what the past is like, then that past comes back to you again.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

I get shit from people whenever I bring this up, but I’m still gonna: They’re kids. Fucked-up kids. They don’t know what the hell they’re doing. The MC and Zoey were just two teenagers who were besties with benefits, and didn’t know enough about love to realize they were in it.

Zoey left to pursue a childish dream (which is totally fine; even adults do that), but took some really crappy advice and ghosted her unhappy best friend. Not cool—even if they weren’t fucking. Trying to make things right with him, is absolutely the right thing to do.

Being upset that she ghosted him, is normal. And the fact she doesn’t answer his last text message at the end of ep 10, implies she might stupidly undo all her work to regain his trust, because she’s repeating the very behavior that broke him.

“They’re kids” is the reason why all this trivial bullshit is treated like world-changing, world-ending drama: Kids don’t know it’s trivial bullshit. They don’t know shit! They’ll learn. They’ll grow up. Cut em some slack.

Otherwise I like Zoey, and I have a path saved for her in the game in case she becomes an LI in ep 11 (or 12, or 13, or whenever, if whenever).

But I'm old school. I don't get this whole "not understanding what love is" stuff. You either like somebody or you don't. You either wanna hang around them, kiss them, talk to them and be with them, or you don't. It's not rocket science to me.

I’m with you. Love isn’t complicated. People try to make it complicated so that they can avoid its obligations.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

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To play half devil's advocate and half of how I see things... it seems you put it all on him to not "be a little coward" - it seems to me they were both little cowards.

But I'm old school. I don't get this whole "not understanding what love is" stuff. You either like somebody or you don't. You either wanna hang around them, kiss them, talk to them and be with them, or you don't. It's not rocket science to me.

Zoey should have understood he meant a lot to her and she should have stayed and talked to him about it and considered his feelings before going off. And MC should have understood and talked to her about it and told her how he felt as well. It's the classic soap opera "not talking to one another" thing that DPC made happen.

So DPC gets all the blame and so do years of soap opera's.

Of course, this is how it works with mature people, you know what you want.
But this is our guy, he is written so that he may not even know what he wants.
Look at him: Tremolo is able to date all the girls at first, and we see his inner monologues.
"I told Jill that I only want her. At the same time, I continue to have fun with Sage. And also Bella, Maya and Josy. What kind of piece of crap am I?"
And he drags it out until the last minute, breaking the girls' hearts.
Maximum retard behavior, but logical for the mechanics of porn games, giving the player room for action, getting more content and not being heavy-branched from the very beginning.

 

[DavDR]

Of course, this is how it works with mature people, you know what you want.
But this is our guy, he is written so that he may not even know what he wants.
Look at him: Tremolo is able to date all the girls at first, and we see his inner monologues.
"I told Jill that I only want her. At the same time, I continue to have fun with Sage. And also Bella, Maya and Josy. What kind of piece of crap am I?"
And he drags it out until the last minute, breaking the girls' hearts.
Maximum retard behavior, but logical for the mechanics of porn games, giving the player room for action, getting more content and not being heavy-branched from the very beginning.
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So you're saying that no one can write a coherent story for a porn game because they have to write in an endless stream of mediocre sex scenes to satisfy the horn dogs?

Well at least that answers the forum question from about a page ago on why there's no good porn game writing.

But that just can't be, because the forum has been telling us for years that DPC is the bestest writer evah!

 

[Porthas]

Of course, this is how it works with mature people, you know what you want.
But this is our guy, he is written so that he may not even know what he wants.
Look at him: Tremolo is able to date all the girls at first, and we see his inner monologues.
"I told Jill that I only want her. At the same time, I continue to have fun with Sage. And also Bella, Maya and Josy. What kind of piece of crap am I?"
And he drags it out until the last minute, breaking the girls' hearts.
Maximum retard behavior, but logical for the mechanics of porn games, giving the player room for action, getting more content and not being heavy-branched from the very beginning.

Right, or, as I said, a soap opera. There's pretty much no difference, in both genre's people act dumb, fool around all the time and cheat and don't communicate when they should. Except the modern soap opera has less skin.

Yes. My ex wife made me watch Days of Our Lives with her. A lot.

 

[NewTricks]

Fuckboy powers activate! Go Go Gadgit Dick!

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Of course, this is how it works with mature people, you know what you want.
But this is our guy, he is written so that he may not even know what he wants.
Look at him: Tremolo is able to date all the girls at first, and we see his inner monologues.
"I told Jill that I only want her. At the same time, I continue to have fun with Sage. And also Bella, Maya and Josy. What kind of piece of crap am I?"
And he drags it out until the last minute, breaking the girls' hearts.
Maximum retard behavior, but logical for the mechanics of porn games, giving the player room for action, getting more content and not being heavy-branched from the very beginning.

The plot of BaDIK is quite ordinary - a story about a guy in college who is looking for himself and finds himself involved in a whirlpool of events. This doesn't pretend to be a world literary masterpiece. But he was able to create alive world and very interesting characters, plus he revolutionized the AVNs genre with his previous project, showing that porn games are not just a stupid fuck-fest for one-armed gameplay.
Telling that he is the best writer in the genre? Not the best, probably second -third.
I think that DPC is looking for a middle ground in gameplay. He doesn't make the game too branched from the very beginning, where you follow one girl from the start and when you choose her, you lose content - I don't like those, they're too confusing. Also, he doesn’t make a harem that you simply don’t believe is real. People are mostly jealous and harems just don't work.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Yes it is odd, I've never quite figured out what DPC's intent was in adding the Interlude and bringing Zoey back into the game.

He need a girl with pierced nipples for animations .

Any chance we will ever see a girl with pierced nipples or is it too complicated?

Nipple piercings in animations are complicated, but I must admit I haven't tried it in a long time. I remember giving Rena a nipple piercing, but it was a real pain to work with. I'm sure it's easier to do it today, after learning more about DAZ3D, but currently none of the models in Being a DIK have it. I will keep nipple piercings in mind for future models, because I like the idea of trying to work with it again.

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-10-1-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-3040303

I recommend to read his very for Q/A, how much he have changed

The best tip I can give is to not be afraid to show people your writing and listen to their feedback without taking it personally

this did not age well now does it ?