VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[znar25]

Hahahahaha! After my immense efforts to have the "good guy" MC to check out CHICK option during date with Nicole, turns out it needs Affinity not just CHICK leaning morale. Since I had some fun I ended up with Neutral affinity so I am once again barred from that sweet hug lmao. Well I worry not, I am proud of this playthrough and it was both really immersive with my "roleplay" and quite entertaining when girls thirst for MC, but he denies them I am still on a nice trajectory to marry Nicole unless developer completely shatters my hopes and dreams.
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She is worth the effort.

 

[znar25]

Replayability is one of those things and I think it makes it a lot more interesting. Keyword epic adventure.

DPC also once wrote in his Q&A that he would leave seemingly insignificant decisions aside for now and revisit them later in the story. Best example of Jill and the MC stealing money in EP2, which has an impact on EP10. Who knows what else DPC has planned. We won't have the full context of BaDIK until the last EP.

...... When at the very last episode, there is an event choice where you can dump any LI/Side you have, go on a date with Madame; she falls completely in love with MC, quits her job. They live happily ever after.*


*Trigger: 60 visits to Madame.

 

[znar25]

You can have a neutral affinity for the J/M branch, and there are enough moments before the scene with Quinn where you can change it to a different affinity.

I always thought the option "Quinn likes you" is triggered if you use her restaurant services, maybe i am wrong

My Quinn only path (no other LIs or sides), I did no restaurant and the path works out OK.

 

[znar25]

She may not smile much,but when she smiles,it is the most breathtakingly loving sight .
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Also EP9 when they take a break from the party and go to the libarary. Amazing.

 

[znar25]

Every girl in the game should fight for a man like Joshy92, he's too precious.

Until Suzi from Hillside finds out what is going on, goes to the trades store, buys: a rope, duct tape, tarp and a shovel.

 

[Kpyna]

It's actually kind of funny that the hardest-to-get girl in the game is Quinn.

Your affinity isnt DIK? - well, goodbye
You on J/M path? - farewell.
You weren't a customer at her restaurant? - Well that sucks, see ya.

If a player falls under one of these conditions, that's it, no second chances.
All these conditions are met and you're on her path? Well, I hope you're not dating Jill, because Quinn will reject you in episode 7 if you are.

You can get her with Neutral affinity, the DIK aff required in EP6 scene only, where she goes home in the rain after being mugged. After this you can safely end up with permanent Neutral affinity.

Jill & Throuple are red flags for Quinn path and vice versa. They are mutually exclusive for very very obvious reasons. I don't get where do you see here the signs of "hardest" path. If you are trying to fuck all that moves w/o thinking and taking in account personalities, characters, etc of the girls, than it's your fault, because this game is not about this, it's mostly the opposite. Jill and Quinn are kinda white and black - you can't choice both, you have to choice white or dark side. Regarding Throuple - you should also already have a clue why MC can't fool around with Quinn while being in Throuple.

You don't have to be a customer of her restaurant to be on her path. It's not required. Don't fantasize. That's also a good ground and idea for 2 different playthroughs with her path. A "good" Neutral MC, who haven't joined the restaraunt, tried weed only once (roof scene is req to get her path) but refusing any drugs later, maybe even staying faithul to her all the time and not fooling around. And the opposite - DIK MC, who is breaking bad. Restaurant, drugs, etc and taking Quinn's side always and anytime whatever she does and plans.

The only one really simple and always opened path is Sage. She accepts you with any affinity and have 0 requirements literally. Also she even gets you 3 chances to get her path. 2 times as a fuck buddy and the final one after the break up with Chad. Speaking of dignity, btw... some people are still blame Josy, lol.

Throuple is a bit simpler if you are not SO bad from the very beginning and don't trying to roleplay a shy guy who don't want to fuck either of them before the relationship & cheating stuff is figured out. And you can end up with Throuple having a DIK permanent affinity. It's a bit tricky (you must have a Neutral aff for the library scene and go hard for DIK choices after), but possible.

Jill is about the same as Quinn. The hardest and so not obvious Jill path fuck up is a picnic date moment. But still... if you're not fooling around with Sage and Jill at the same time, then it's quite easier, because call to Sage becomes optional and MCs conscience is almost clean.

Episode 8 time. Only doing an episode a week was actually my future wife ReallyNotTina’s idea, but the Interlude made her want to break this rule—it was short and no Sage fuck scenes! But as those of you who’ve done ep 8 on a Sage run already know, we’re gonna make up for that big time.

But before resolving the cliffhanger, we jump forward to… Christmas?

Spoiler: Episode 8 big-ass recap

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ehm... EP9 maybe?

 

[KАRАMBA]

and taking Quinn's side always and anytime whatever she does and plans.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

ehm... EP9 maybe?

Whoops; fucked up there. Fixed it. Thanks.

 

[ChipLecsap]

You can get her with Neutral affinity, the DIK aff required in EP6 scene only, where she goes home in the rain after being mugged. After this you can safely end up with permanent Neutral affinity.

Jill & Throuple are red flags for Quinn path and vice versa. They are mutually exclusive for very very obvious reasons. I don't get where do you see here the signs of "hardest" path. If you are trying to fuck all that moves w/o thinking and taking in account personalities, characters, etc of the girls, than it's your fault, because this game is not about this, it's mostly the opposite. Jill and Quinn are kinda white and black - you can't choice both, you have to choice white or dark side. Regarding Throuple - you should also already have a clue why MC can't fool around with Quinn while being in Throuple.

You don't have to be a customer of her restaurant to be on her path. It's not required. Don't fantasize. That's also a good ground and idea for 2 different playthroughs with her path. A "good" Neutral MC, who haven't joined the restaraunt, tried weed only once (roof scene is req to get her path) but refusing any drugs later, maybe even staying faithul to her all the time and not fooling around. And the opposite - DIK MC, who is breaking bad. Restaurant, drugs, etc and taking Quinn's side always and anytime whatever she does and plans.

The only one really simple and always opened path is Sage. She accepts you with any affinity and have 0 requirements literally. Also she even gets you 3 chances to get her path. 2 times as a fuck buddy and the final one after the break up with Chad. Speaking of dignity, btw... some people are still blame Josy, lol.

Throuple is a bit simpler if you are not SO bad from the very beginning and don't trying to roleplay a shy guy who don't want to fuck either of them before the relationship & cheating stuff is figured out. And you can end up with Throuple having a DIK permanent affinity. It's a bit tricky (you must have a Neutral aff for the library scene and go hard for DIK choices after), but possible.

Jill is about the same as Quinn. The hardest and so not obvious Jill path fuck up is a picnic date moment. But still... if you're not fooling around with Sage and Jill at the same time, then it's quite easier, because call to Sage becomes optional and MCs conscience is almost clean.

or a Dik MC who doesn't take the restaurant, still get Rio, Cammy, and Mell pussy for free, Fuck Sage, and end it with a Threesome with her and Quinn and rolls out with Lily, and Fuck Rio again. and I dont know, I could probably put there caty and nora too, but I dont like them that much, Hell you might even can keep Jade.

 

[strangelandQQ]

my point about affinity is that you need a certain affinity to start a path, not to end up with another
Throuple path have affinity check, but other LIs dont(well, Jill will reject you in ep8 if affinity is DIK, but its not required to start her path)

what if you compare the requirements and different moments for all LIs?
1.Some variables prevents you from starting a path (BESIDES AFFINITY CHECK)
Sage(none), J/M(none), Jill(none), Bella(honestly I didn't check what happens if you fuck up cafeteria talk, so let it be 1) Quinn(1)
2. Path will end up if do smth wrong
Sage(none), J/M(none), Jill(picnic skip), Bella(Cathy scene), Quinn(Jill path)


as for not fooling around with other girls, then yes, anyone path became very simple, just chase the girl you like and be happy.
but game have option to date and fool around with multiple girls, and all major LIs don't care about it(well, except Bella).
I have a CHICK playthrough at the end of which there was an option to choose from all LI at once, and no one complained that I fucked or dated the wrong person in the process.

about Quinn's restaurant, I honestly thought it was necessary for her path, apparently I was wrong.

but how can you chase Quinn and not support her business?

 

[Kpyna]

Me. Maybe. [reading the MC’s line] “Yeah, I’ve dated a taken girl.”
FW. Who’d he… oh right, Sage.
Me. [still reading] “It made me feel like what I’m assuming you feel right now.”
FW. I never thought of him feeling like shit when he dated Sage while she was still with Chad.
Me. Well from our perspective, from a narrator or player’s perspective, we knew Sage and Chad hadn’t really been a couple for a long time. But from Trey’s perspective, for all he knew they were still fucking, and Sage was only fucking him because Chad was cheating on her.
FW. Wait, I… no, you’re right; we knew way more about what was going on than Trey was. Even as we’re playing Trey.
Me. Hell, you’ve got me telling you what’s happening in whole alternate timelines. You’ve got a whole five-dimensional point of view when he’s only got three dimensions.
FW. So he felt like a cheater in the beginning.
Me. Which is why, in one of my Sage runs, I decided not to date her until she had first broken up with Chad.

MC is ALWAYS talks here about Josy. She was a "taken girl". She is unavoidable part of canon plot and his first girl after the Zoey. This line is changing only according to his relationship with/w-o Throuple. MC clearly knew about Chad and what he gets himself in. And you can easily test it by doing the "clean" Sage path you mentioned later down the text. So, MC will not cheat and fool around with Sage until she properly breaks up with Chad, but his lines of dialogue will remain the same, which prooves that he is talking about Josy.

The MC’s room is full of people getting their photos taken. We try on Tara’s shroud ghost costume; Avery tells him (thinking he’s Tara) they got something good, i.e. stuff from the DIK pledge wall.

Drugs, the question is from who - Quinn or Vinny. Those "something good" makes at least 3 of them high as hell and then they blacked out in the MCs bed on Others branch.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

I have a CHICK playthrough at the end of which there was an option to choose from all LI at once, and no one complained that I fucked or dated the wrong person in the process.

I did a CHICK fuckboy run my first time through, and managed to bag all the LIs but Isabella, but I most certainly did get complaints from the girls about dating and fucking other people:

1. Isabella, of course, upset that my MC was fooling around with Cathy.
2. Jill, upset when the dick pic appeared in Tybalt’s slides, because both Josy and Sage recognized the dick. It made Jill acutely aware my MC had fucked them both, and she had to go cry in the bathroom about it.
3. When I ultimately picked Sage in episode 8, the next episode’s breakup scenes with both Jill, and Maya and Josy, were rough. Even though it’s only a game, I felt like an asshole. It’s why my CHICK runs ever since have been monogamous.
4. A later CHICK run in which I pursued Isabella; Jill of course catches them fucking, and it ruins her friendship with Bella, and the MC, for a time.

I’ve since found most AVNs permit a certain amount of fuckboy behavior… but only to a point. Unless it’s spelled out early on that none of these relationships are exclusive (and occasionally even then), somewhere in the game the girls are gonna find out about one another, aren’t gonna be okay with it, and either you lose them all at once, or they make you choose one. I found it’s always safest to be monogamous… and I find it hugely amusing when other people on this forum, in various games, complain their fuckboy behavior keeps having consequences. Well duh.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

MC is ALWAYS talks here about Josy. She was a "taken girl". She is unavoidable part of canon plot and his first girl after the Zoey. This line is changing only according to his relationship with/w-o Throuple. MC clearly knew about Chad and what he gets himself in. And you can easily test it by doing the "clean" Sage path you mentioned later down the text. So, MC will not cheat and fool around with Sage until she properly breaks up with Chad, but his lines of dialogue will remain the same, which prooves that he is talking about Josy.

Good point. Neither of us were thinking about Josy at all at the time. We did episode 1 together back in January.

But MC didn’t entirely know about Chad and what he was getting into. He knew he was cucking Chad, and was fine with that, but (depending on your choices) he also wanted more with Sage, and didn’t like that she was staying with Chad until he finally took the initiative to break up with her. And then there was this bullshit about not wanting to be the rebound guy, even though the whole point of Sage choosing to fuck him was to rebound from a bad relationship. Arguably he didn’t feel all that great about that relationship until he finally chose Sage.

And then there’s her temper to deal with, but that’s a minor thing. Hopefully she’ll never give him a reason to regret teaching her to fight.

 

[Kpyna]

my point about affinity is that you need a certain affinity to start a path, not to end up with another
Throuple path have affinity check, but other LIs dont(well, Jill will reject you in ep8 if affinity is DIK, but its not required to start her path)

Throuple affinity check - EP4 library scene (Neutral or Chick) - but you may end up with ANY affinity though. You have time to start with DIK, then soften a little to become Neutral and after joining the Throuple go for a full DIK route.

Quinn affinity check - EP6 rain scene (DIK only) - but you may end up with Neutral or DIK affinity. While CHICK affinity is naturally blocked because you can't technically and "legally" have it at the end of EP8 if you got DIK aff in EP6. In short - you simply doing more than 4 DIK major choices anyway to stay on her path.

Jill affinity check - EP7 fight for her scene (Neutral or Chick). Having DIK affinity in this spot ends her path later anyway. Is it a check? Of course.

Only Sage doesn't have any checks or requirements. You may be a complete asshole to her for 7 episodes and have 0 RP and she will still try to throw herself into MC at the HOTs party in EP7.

what if you compare the requirements and different moments for all LIs?
1.Some variables prevents you from starting a path (BESIDES AFFINITY CHECK)
Sage(none), J/M(none), Jill(none), Bella(honestly I didn't check what happens if you fuck up cafeteria talk, so let it be 1) Quinn(1)
2. Path will end up if do smth wrong
Sage(none), J/M(none), Jill(picnic skip), Bella(Cathy scene), Quinn(Jill path)

1. Sage - agree. Literally nothing can stop this path. Potentially spoil the future (Jade, restaraunt), but not the start.
J/M - requires to fuck either of them or both to get their path. Lewd scenes variables are checked - obviously.
Jill - Kiss her back on their first date - path is fucked up if you don't (lewd scene variable). Picnic date, it's a decision packed into a variable - technically.
2. Think of it as of natural incompatibility and cutting the unneeded or even impossible sometimes branching. Also such conclusions is great when the whole game is finished and not when we are a bit past the middle of it (speaking of things that may fuck up the paths or even branches). Finally - Quinn is a side girl. So picking any MG branch somehow ends her path anyway, even if it's not a J&M and Jill. Further branching also starts to shut down. Nicole or Nora is the most fresh example. Closest candidates - Lily or Nicole. Riona or Quinn, etc, etc, etc.

as for not fooling around with other girls, then yes, anyone path became very simple, just chase the girl you like and be happy.
but game have option to date and fool around with multiple girls, and all major LIs don't care about it(well, except Bella).

Quinn is unique in this sense, because she is a side girl with main girl vibes. But that's all. Any side girls are hardly cut off if you pick one of MGs and vice versa.

I have a CHICK playthrough at the end of which there was an option to choose from all LI at once, and no one complained that I fucked or dated the wrong person in the process.

Sage & Bella mostly. It's not about "wrong" or "right" person. It's about the mess it creates at the end. Dumped J&M is best example. Even MC calls it a mess he didn't ever wanted to produce.

about Quinn's restaurant, I honestly thought it was necessary for her path, apparently I was wrong.
but how can you chase Quinn and not support her business?

If you would assume that she falls for MC, then she'd probably respecting that internally. Check her reaction during hang out in EP7, when she asks who from restaurant girls MC likes most and offers him a freebee. If you pick "Quinn" there she is definitely flattered. In weird and sick way (speaking of whole situation), but still.

 

[Joshuam303]

hey ! I am at the dorm party and where is Christy ? I have done everything else but talk to her

 

[NadaMucho]

You know the writing is good when you react to fictional characters the way you'd react to a real person. I get emotionally attached when I play the best VNs and this is no exception. I can say, without any hesitation, that I will never play a Quinn path. I hate her guts. She's a sadist and I've been way too close to people like her in my life.

The one thing I wish for in this title is a new character from a mob family through which I could purchase a hit on her. Like I said... full credit to the writer. Well done you.

 

[noahsombrero]

Good point. Neither of us were thinking about Josy at all at the time. We did episode 1 together back in January.

But MC didn’t entirely know about Chad and what he was getting into. He knew he was cucking Chad, and was fine with that, but (depending on your choices) he also wanted more with Sage, and didn’t like that she was staying with Chad until he finally took the initiative to break up with her. And then there was this bullshit about not wanting to be the rebound guy, even though the whole point of Sage choosing to fuck him was to rebound from a bad relationship. Arguably he didn’t feel all that great about that relationship until he finally chose Sage.

And then there’s her temper to deal with, but that’s a minor thing. Hopefully she’ll never give him a reason to regret teaching her to fight.

Well, RNT, you are obviously a smart, well informed guy with a sparkling sense of humor. You even know what ghosts look like in other cultures and that 100+ years ago curse words were about blasphemy while now they are sexual. I confess I was not aware those distinctions. As we say here in video game land sometimes, kudos, massive kudos.

 

[strangelandQQ]

Throuple affinity check - EP4 library scene (Neutral or Chick) - but you may end up with ANY affinity though. You have time to start with DIK, then soften a little to become Neutral and after joining the Throuple go for a full DIK route.

Quinn affinity check - EP6 rain scene (DIK only) - but you may end up with Neutral or DIK affinity. While CHICK affinity is naturally blocked because you can't technically and "legally" have it at the end of EP8 if you got DIK aff in EP6. In short - you simply doing more than 4 DIK major choices anyway to stay on her path.

Jill affinity check - EP7 fight for her scene (Neutral or Chick). Having DIK affinity in this spot ends her path later anyway. Is it a check? Of course.

Only Sage doesn't have any checks or requirements. You may be a complete asshole to her for 7 episodes and have 0 RP and she will still try to throw herself into MC at the HOTs party in EP7.

My point not so much that the characters have affinity checks, but that Quinn is the only one who needs an affinity check to START her path. I mean, you basically forced by game to spend some time with all of main LI(you date Josy in the beginning, you fool around with Maya later, you have tennis date with Jill and drunk "date" with Bella, and you will help Sage no matter what you do or what you want). As for Quinn, you have to meet a number of conditions to start a sort-of-romantic path with her.

Quinn is unique in this sense, because she is a side girl with main girl vibes. But that's all. Any side girls are hardly cut off if you pick one of MGs and vice versa.

Quinn (alongside with Jade) is LI whose path may end long before the choice at the end of episode 8, even if you commit to her.

Sage & Bella mostly. It's not about "wrong" or "right" person. It's about the mess it creates at the end. Dumped J&M is best example. Even MC calls it a mess he didn't ever wanted to produce.

Again, the question isn't what happens at the end of episode 8, after choosing a main LI. Question is how many girls will dump you before ep8 if you chase/fuck someone else(answer is 2, Quinn and Bella).
Like for example, even if you on multiple branches, no one gets mad BEFORE you choose main LI. Yeah, Josy and Maya will be sad when Jill tells them she's still dating MC(at library), Jill will cry after Tybalts presentaion if MC dick get recognized, but no one will dump MC right after they find out he's fucking someone else.

anyway, we getting a bit sidetracked here.

My original point about Quinn being hard-to-get is simple:
Some girls have affinity checks
Other girls have conditions thats must be met
Some paths have second(or even third) chances to jump on
Some path will end if you fuck things up
And also some girls can be blocked by other relationships

but only Quinn fits all of those moments and doesn't give you a second chance.

 

[Kpyna]

My point not so much that the characters have affinity checks, but that Quinn is the only one who needs an affinity check to START her path. I mean, you basically forced by game to spend some time with all of main LI(you date Josy in the beginning, you fool around with Maya later, you have tennis date with Jill and drunk "date" with Bella, and you will help Sage no matter what you do or what you want). As for Quinn, you have to meet a number of conditions to start a sort-of-romantic path with her.

... J&M have both an affinity and conditions check similar to Quinn ones to start their path, otherwise they reject MC. To start the Throuple you must be Neutral or Chick. It's the DIK for Quinn. You have to fuck Quinn on the roof (and smoke weed as well) as one of requirements to start her path. Same goes for J&M - you have to fuck at least one of them previously. Sage and Bella doesn't have any affinity checks at all. Bella path reqs is a little bit more stricted, but it's nothing in compare with J&M, Jill and Quinn. Fun thing is Bella can accept MC even when she doesn't "like him", after the conditions check at their dinner in cafeteria, when MC telling her his backstory about Zoey etc. So I don't get your point here at all.

I take it as Quinn have the most tricky and complicated path among all SGs, which can be compared to J&M and Jill among MGs. That's her "thing".

Quinn (alongside with Jade) is LI whose path may end long before the choice at the end of episode 8, even if you commit to her.

What's up with Jade? Once you agreed to "take some private lessons" - you're on board. Only joining the Throuple may prevent it. It's the MC who can reject her early (EP6 - the one and the last opportunity till EP8 crossroads). If not - you can't get the rid of her and the only option is to pick one of MGs so far.

Again, the question isn't what happens at the end of episode 8, after choosing a main LI. Question is how many girls will dump you before ep8 if you chase/fuck someone else(answer is 2, Quinn and Bella).
Like for example, even if you on multiple branches, no one gets mad BEFORE you choose main LI. Yeah, Josy and Maya will be sad when Jill tells them she's still dating MC(at library), Jill will cry after Tybalts presentaion if MC dick get recognized, but no one will dump MC right after they find out he's fucking someone else.

J&M - no strings attached. MC can take advantage of this given freedom or stay honest - it's up to you as a player. Jill - absolutely ok and she get early that MC is fooling around and trying to figure out what he wants. You can make it more blatant through Tyballs presentation - it's again up to you. It makes her sad and jealous, but doesn't lead to rejection. Sage doesn't care at all, because she clearly knows that she herself is cheating. And even after HOTs party she is not sure about the perspectives. Bella rejects MC because it's too much, literally. She probably ok with MC figuring out and dating others, but not with the her friend panties inside her car. And the Quinn rejection occures because of 2 opposites collide - literally. She can handle (and she awared of) MC dating Sage, but she can't accept MC dating the local "princess" - her opposite side. All those cheesy (how she feels and interprete it) things like "dates", "dinners with friends", etc - that's what exactly turnes her out.

Honestly, Jill & Quinn combo are so SO rare thing that it doesn't deserve any discussion. You have to do a very tricky playthrough with continous affinity checks to not fuck up both paths at a particular points. W/o guides or really big game experience it's like 0.1-1% chances of getting it - by playing naturally and without of months and years of experience back of you.

anyway, we getting a bit sidetracked here.

My original point about Quinn being hard-to-get is simple:
Some girls have affinity checks
Other girls have conditions thats must be met
Some paths have second(or even third) chances to jump on
Some path will end if you fuck things up
And also some girls can be blocked by other relationships

but only Quinn fits all of those moments and doesn't give you a second chance.

Only Sage gives you 2nd and 3rd chance so far. Throuple path fails once and forever, Jill path - same thing. From the very start or by failing the further conditions and reqs. Bella path start time is up to player, it's not a "chances" as is, and have only a single possible fuck up check later. I get your point, but at the same time - if player is going for Quinn, I suspect that he won't be trying to roleplay a shy chicky snowflake. It's just so odd and out of plausibility... Most of the players go a full DIK road and breaking bad while going for such girls, so Quinn path is becoming quite easy to be fucked up in such way. Throuple and Jill are probably will be off the road automatically because of affinity checks at least. No more obstacles after that and both are solved in EP4.

I would end up by saying that the requirements and checks for Quinn path are unique among SGs and similar in complexity to some MGs. That's the main and most important point, probably. And that's all.

 

[KАRАMBA]

I take it as Quinn have the most tricky and complicated path among all SGs, which can be compared to J&M and Jill among MGs. That's her "thing".

I don't know... In my opinion, it's the opposite, her path is the easiest.
Every time I start a new playthrough, I find myself on her path.