VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[HiP1]

I didn't write that Zoey betrayed the MC. But now that I think about it, she actually did in a way. Was it stupid to listen to Bret? Absolutely. The betrayal is actually that she has known the MC for years and knows how he is emotionally. She's ignoring years of experience with the MC, who is her best friend, for advice from a guy she just met. In a way, that's a betrayal of friendship. But that's a subjective way of looking at it on my part.

The MC is not partly responsible for the breakup. To one he told Zoey to love her, only Zoey reacted shit to it. This left the MC confused and subsequently not knowing what love is. In EP10, the MC himself says to Zoey that he later realized what he had, because before he thought it was just the best friendship + sex. Zoey's reaction in the past is to blame for that. He did what a best friend should do. He let her go to San Diego so she could realize her dream.

Furthermore, we read so Zoey stopped responding to messages from the MC. The MC kept messaging Zoey and Zoey actively chose not to reply to the MC, her supposed best friend. The MC fought and wanted to maintain the friendship with Zoey at this distance. It doesn't matter what Zoey's motive was, you don't do that with your best friend. With that in mind, it's no wonder the MC said to Derek in EP9 that it felt like she threw him away. It's Zoey's fault because she's actually known the MC for years and knows how emotional he is.

Zoey runs away when things get tough, but Derek stays and helps. Neither of them are perfect. But I prefer friends who are loyal to the MC, even when things get tough. That's what makes a friendship in my eye.

there is also the fact that MC never knew his mom, his family from his mom's side rejects him, and he was bullied in school, and Zoey was his only friend. MC had some abandonment issues already, and she still left him knowing he would have no one else besides his father.

 

[HiP1]

You show Derek as a devoted friend, but when did he do something for the MC? Never. Everything he does, he does for himself and sometimes for Maya. He is an egoist who hurts others without noticing it, but at the same time expects people to be sensitive and attentive towards him. Zoey and Derek make mistakes, but Zoey grows above herself, and Derek remains at the level of episode 1. Perhaps in the future this will change, but now it is so.

on the very first day they met, Derek helps MC by convincing his sister to share her room so MC doesn't sleep outside and doesn't give up on college, and also looks out for MC by telling him not to waste his time hitting on Maya. Derek saves MC from the mall cop during their naked run. Derek takes one for the team by fucking the old teacher. Derek welcomes MC in his dorm room after the fallout with Maya and Josy. Derek is one of the main contributor to fixing the mansion to help with MC's plan. etc. he became much less helpful after he messed up with Ashley, but he still contributed.

all of those add up, bro... it's weird that you see him as an egoist that only thinks about himself or expects others to give him attention, when he is literally only in college to support Maya and he is the first to volunteer to the help at the retirement home instead of the strip club.

Is doing a DIK run worth it? I always chose the chick path because some of the dik dialogue choices are so fucking mean

try a neutral run, it's worth it.

This is exactly the point I generally disagree with when I see the assessment of Zoey's behavior.

She was the one who wrote to MC every day and he responded half-heartedly or not at all. Objectively speaking, he was the one who sparked the breakup. Because how long can you keep talking to someone who clearly doesn't really want to talk? So Zoey's decision to stop contacting her was largely a result of MC's lack of activity.

So it's unfair to completely blame Zoey for cutting off contact.

MC made short replies, sure, but always replied quickly. Zoey decided to delay her replies more and more, until she completely stopped. it's weird that you remember it differently.

 

[HiP1]

But Zoey decided to communicate less with the MC because she thought she was doing him a favor.
Zoey: "The words Bret told me about Ems echoed inside my head."
Zoey: "And if there was even the tinest chance that MC felt more us than he let me know..."
Zoey: "...I hoped that I was doing him a favor by not making him remember me evers day."
Zoey: "I think it worked."
Like Emma, she didn't want the MC to think of her. She thought it would work and was happy with that. But Zoey made the biggest mistake she could have made after the Rooster Cluck from Emma.

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dude, you're speculating way too much there. the "wolf" guy is not MC at all. he would never say that to her. especially in that situation. he would just shut himself inside his own head.
and zoey stopped texting MC way way before the rooster cluck.
and the "forgot to pack something" text was just a joke to teaser her. it was not a reference to himself at all.

 

[HiP1]

I thought about it again and you're right. The MC really did say to Zoey that she should advise him. But it took me a while to close everything.

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bro... just no. why do you try to link things where there is absolutely nothing?
we already know that MC's first time was in the tree house
the ep10 flashback just shows tender moments that Zoey remembers dearly, after seeing MC with the current girlfriend, there is not much meaning beyond that. it allows her to compare what she sees with what she had, and make it clear to the player.

why would you even try to bring porn and masturbation in this ? MC doesn't need to teach himself sex. he literally has years of daily experience with Zoey.
Zoey pushed MC to dirty talk. it took him a long time. he finally did by saying "Ride me", she laughed. that's it. it's just a little anecdote. MC confirms it by telling Jill that he also was bad at dirty talk in the beginning.
everything on that notebook page is about the same single event.

 

[Ray_D]

I'm not sure what this means...
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It would basically be this.

 

[Kpyna]

why would you even try to bring porn and masturbation in this ? MC doesn't need to teach himself sex. he literally has years of daily experience with Zoey.

Easy, easy
IRL it would be truth, it's quite a common thing from 15-16 and sometimes even earlier. But picturing sex of persons below 18 is prohibited. Mentioning - not (about 16-18yo period, if I remember correctly). So in this game they only started when MC turned 18, and DPC made Zoey 1 year older purposely. They had only a few months of this sexual expirience before Zoey left to San Diego. It was quite obvious in Interlude. MC just started his dirty talks tries and Zoey left in a couple of weeks after.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Easy, easy
IRL it would be truth, it's quite a common thing from 15-16 and sometimes even earlier...//

that could explain why everyone here probably looks like this

Or is this just a picture of Joshy?

 

[dalli_x]

dude, you're speculating way too much there. the "wolf" guy is not MC at all. he would never say that to her. especially in that situation. he would just shut himself inside his own head.
and zoey stopped texting MC way way before the rooster cluck.
and the "forgot to pack something" text was just a joke to teaser her. it was not a reference to himself at all.

You're missing the point.

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Of course, Zoey stopped texting the MC before the Rooster. But the MC didn't stop, he just didn't get a reply from Zoey. That's what it says in the game and that's what I wrote.

"Now would be a good time to remember that you forgot to pack something." Was that supposed to be a joke from the MC?

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bro... just no. why do you try to link things where there is absolutely nothing?
we already know that MC's first time was in the tree house
the ep10 flashback just shows tender moments that Zoey remembers dearly, after seeing MC with the current girlfriend, there is not much meaning beyond that. it allows her to compare what she sees with what she had, and make it clear to the player.

why would you even try to bring porn and masturbation in this ? MC doesn't need to teach himself sex. he literally has years of daily experience with Zoey.
Zoey pushed MC to dirty talk. it took him a long time. he finally did by saying "Ride me", she laughed. that's it. it's just a little anecdote. MC confirms it by telling Jill that he also was bad at dirty talk in the beginning.
everything on that notebook page is about the same single event.

Firstly, you should remember that in EP3 these are the MC's memories and not Zoey's, and the same goes for EP10. These are Zoey's memories and not the MC's. I'll give you a quick proof so the Zoey and MC sex in EP3 is not in the treehouse.

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DPC Rule.
"Sexual acts are consensual and the characters are over the legal age of 18 years old."

When did the MC turn 18? A year before he turned 19, of course. When did Zoey turn 20 years old? During Interlude. The MC was only 18 at the time. They didn't have sex for years. Maybe 3-4 months before Zoey went to San Diego. So the MC was definitely inexperienced when he first had sex with Zoey. I don't mean making out, I mean having sex. Whether Zoey's memory from EP10 was the very first time she had sex with a guy, I don't know. But it was probably the first time she had sex with the MC. If so, it was the MC's first sex ever. I refuted your treehouse and years of experience with Zoey. There was only one years long friendly experience.


Yes, in Interlude Zoey urges the MC to dirty talk, but you should pay attention to everything and not just watch Zoey give the MC a handjob.
Zoey: "What's wrong?"
MC: "Nothing."
Zoey: "It's not about last time, is it?"
MC: "You laughed at me; that leaves scars."
So the "Ride me, Zoey!" was before the sex in Interlude.

Of course, the notebook entry is all about the same single event.
- "I will always remember this night" She remembers it in EP10, this event.
- "Ride me, Zoey!" That's what the MC says to Zoey at this one event.
- "Next time I promise to ride you." It says next time and not at this event. Only it's not Zoey's memory in EP3, it's the memory from the MC where I proved to you so the sex from EP3 flashback isn't in the treehouse.

Start understanding slowly so DPC scatters the clue puzzle pieces throughout the game and not just in one scene. EP3 is the flashback from the MC about the memories with Zoey and the one in EP10 is Zoey's memories. In EP6, the MC gives Sage advice on her breakup and he can only have that experience with Zoey because she's his only ex and you only become an ex by breaking up first. This tells us why the MC was angry.

DPC wrote why he had to do Interlude. Firstly because of the technical part and secondly to understand the story. EP3, EP6, EP10 are connected to Interlude. There are probably other connections, but I haven't found them yet.

 

[Sugoi!]

I don't understand the meaning of the name, but when has that stopped me?

 

[NebulousShooter]

I don't think I like this hating Zoey meta that much, can't we go back to Maya and Josy are cheating liars, Jill has a goblin smile and Quinn is a proustite rhetoric?

 

[dalli_x]

What did you write in the college yearbook?

I wrote that.
"Choo choo, choo choo and the love train sets off. May this journey never end."

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

What did you write in the college yearbook?

I wrote that.
"Choo choo, choo choo and the love train sets off. May this journey never end."

I put,
"Looking forward to fucking the other milf teachers in the sequel 'BaDIK - The Class Reunion 20 yrs after the college orgy and a quick visit to the state Pen to visit Derek' "

 

[dalli_x]

I don't think I like this hating Zoey meta that much, can't we go back to Maya and Josy are cheating liars, Jill has a goblin smile and Quinn is a proustite rhetoric?

I just want to find out what, what is happening between Zoey and the MC that we don't know yet. Personally, I don't hate Zoey at all. In fact, I always decide that the MC isn't mad at Zoey. I have no problem with Zoey remaining or becoming a friend of the MC, whichever way you want to look at it. Friend okay, but no more.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

I don't think I like this hating Zoey meta that much, can't we go back to Maya and Josy are cheating liars, Jill has a goblin smile and Quinn is a proustite rhetoric?

Each in turn !

 

[mostwanted8]

I don't think I like this hating Zoey meta that much, can't we go back to Maya and Josy are cheating liars, Jill has a goblin smile and Quinn is a proustite rhetoric?

Yeah, you're all so tangled in this "is the MC right, is Zoe right" shit that you're missing the whole point. Does the MC care enough about Zoe to let her back into is life? We all make mistakes and should be held accountable for them but only up to a point, especially mistakes like that made without malice. It's hard to keep a long distance relationship alive especially for people who crave a physical presence. The MC being resentful and distant to her just makes him look like a sour bitch.
It's all a matter of "is Zoe still important to me despite her past mistakes, or now that I made a shit ton of new friends and met dateable girls I don't need her anymore?" now.

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

I don't think I like this hating Zoey meta that much, can't we go back to Maya and Josy are cheating liars, Jill has a goblin smile and Quinn is a proustite rhetoric?

I don’t care for some of those metas either. But all of them are better than the constant “Maya’s tuition problems are utter bullshit” complaints. Okay, they’re bullshit. But that’s the bullshit DPC has made the B-plot of this whole series, and he’s likely gonna ride it to the bitter end. So suck it up buttercup.

I put,
"Looking forward to fucking the other milf teachers in the sequel 'BaDIK - The Class Reunion 20 yrs after the college orgy and a quick visit to the state Pen to visit Derek' "

Funny!—but no you didn’t. Too many characters, and every time I tried to use “fuck” in the quote it rejected me.

And it wouldn’t let me write, “Yes, it’s bigger than a baby’s arm.” But it will let me write, “Yes, it’s larger than a baby’s arm,” so I usually go with that.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Funny!—but no you didn’t. Too many characters, and every time I tried to use “fuck” in the quote it rejected me.

LMAO
Nice to see I wasn't the only one..

 

[ReallyNotTimmy]

LMAO
Nice to see I wasn't the only one..

On the upside, the MC was able to wear his Shitfaced shirt in the yearbook photo. But I betcha it’s getting Photoshopped out.

 

[mostwanted8]

I’ll add, it’s only stupid not following your dreams, even if they lead you away from the important people in your life. It’s clear Zoe’s dream was stronger than her attraction to the MC, but it’s wrong to hold her to a standard of being loyal to him no matter what, cause that would make for a fake relationship where she tries to make him happy all the time and leads only to resentment further down the road.
It’s a shame Zoe didn’t fulfill her dream and now has little to show up for, but that doesn’t invalidate that she tried or the experience she gained.
She’s still the same person the MC loved and it doesn’t matter whether he loves her anymore or not. All that matters is that he still cares about her. Whether it leads to friendship or romance is gonna be up to us.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

I’ll add, it’s only stupid not following your dreams, even if they lead you away from the important people in your life. It’s clear Zoe’s dream was stronger than her attraction to the MC, but it’s wrong to hold her to a standard of being loyal to him no matter what, cause that would make for a fake relationship where she tries to make him happy all the time and leads only to resentment further down the road.
It’s a shame Zoe didn’t fulfill her dream and now has little to show up for, but that doesn’t invalidate that she tried or the experience she gained.
She’s still the same person the MC loved and it doesn’t matter whether he loves her anymore or not. All that matters is that he still cares about her. Whether it leads to friendship or romance is gonna be up to us.

A mature argument about a controversial character is a touch out of the ordinary in these threads. But a welcomed one regardless. And I couldn't agree more.