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That's kinda my point, what if one of them is being used for info because they can't help but talk about things.
Jamie mentioned pretty early on that he lost his phone like a week before the game starts, and we know all the DIK phones are synced up. It's possible Dany could've swiped it, or someone like Riona that he was fucking on the side.
 

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That's kinda my point, what if one of them is being used for info because they can't help but talk about things.
That would work, but I would have thought they would also say something to Tremolo or someone else too.

Jamie mentioned pretty early on that he lost his phone like a week before the game starts, and we know all the DIK phones are synced up. It's possible Dany could've swiped it, or someone like Riona that he was fucking on the side.
I'd completely forgotten the phone. It's definitely important and will come back into play. Anyone could have swiped it or found it. It probably had the safe code and who knows what else written on it. Maybe no one will be a traitor, willingly or unwittingly.
 

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I'm just curious if anyone will admit why they hate him. Of the things mentioned none quite come up to the mark.

Cheats on Heather? That's none of the MC's business. Never get involved in someone else relationship.

Asshole of a Brother? We've only heard one side of that story, and Josy's a known liar.

Awful Father? He already apologized for that and even made an effort to make up for it.

He did react badly to the Mansion but nobody's perfect, and he got over it and eventually did his part. Doesn't really seem like a reason to hate on him.

What's the real reason?
well, i will admit. i hate him, because he is an asshole with mc

All of that makes him a dick in my book. What you've listed is a bunch of things that you don't hate him for, but it's perfectly reasonable for other people to hate him for them. For me, he's just a knob. Doesn't matter if it's someone else's relationship, if he cheats on his partner, that makes him a knob. Just in general, the way he treats people, the way he thinks he's high and mighty, will little-to-nothing to back it up. Yeah, he's a dick.

And yeah, "hate" may be a strong word, but you're the one who brought it up. Everyone else is just saying he's a dick or an asshole, which, hate or not, is an accurate description as far as I'm concerned.
to be fair with tommy. he has kind of open relationship. he allowed to "cheat" just need identify with who and ask about Heather. it is not that kind of cheating what did Sage on Chad, Balla on her husband, Jojo on Maya, Maya on Jojo. Oscar on his blonde girlfriend and the blonde girlfriend on oscar. Ari on Dawe.
Heather totally know, Tommy is sleeping with others. the only problem, Tommy is Tommy, but Heather want Tommy be like John Boy


I'm the one who once liked Tommy in the early game. For his good sides. Because Tommy is a good party animal and in these moments he really reveals himself as a symbol of the DIKs fraternity: cool guys who love to have a good time. He has balls unlike most DIKs and is not afraid of alphas. Tommy actually apologizes to Tremolo for being a bad father and takes him to a bar. He copes with the internal crisis after the mansion ruining and joins the common cause, finding a job, leaving the infantile bubble.

But the further into the game, the more his bad sides are visible and they outweigh the good:
1. Tommy is a drug addict. And not just to smoke weed, he injects all sorts of rubbish into his veins and can't come off. Heroin, hello. He steals money from Heather for the next dose. He makes a deal with Vinny because of this, which leads to problems later.
2. He breaks the agreement with his girlfriend that they should talk to each other about "pluses" and do it again and again, thereby cheating on her.
3. Tommy breaks the DIK secret code twice: with Derek and then with Tremolo.
4. He lies about Vinny's "prop gun", which puts Tremolo in real danger to his life. Even Quinn did the better job there, warning MC to not mess with Vinny.
5. How insecure do you have to be to be afraid that someone will have sex with your sister? If Tommy thinks that makes him a cuck in the eyes of others, then this guy has serious self-esteem problems. If Tommy would have F95 account , he would be one of this fanatical anti-NTR crusaders :KEK: Tommy doesn't care about Josy, but only about his reputation, I think.
6. It seems like he is jealous of Tremolo and his success. He is constantly skeptical of our guy and he clearly doesn’t like it when he succeeds: “Fuck you for being that good.”
So it feels like Tommy is evolving from a controversial character to a negative one. I even suspect him as a potential traitor, because when a drug addict goes through withdrawal, he will do anything for a new dose. Maybe he snitches on DIKs for money?
1 not nice stealing from girlfriend yes, but make deal with vinny... he cant have any idea it will cause problems. it is not excuse, he just should take responsibility for it. the drugs... well, if he want harm himself, do it, but dont harm with others like stealing money
2 who goes with open relationship, that should expect for it. but we can say, he was enough humanity to go for open relationship, not like the real cheaters, Sage, Maya, Jojo, Balla, Oscar, Oscar girlfriend, Chad
3 i dont know what you mean about this, so i just agree with you :D
4 he try calm down mc, that is not a bad thing. probably he do it only for not call police what mean tommy go prison, so the intention is bad. but you have right, he take mc in real danger with this lies. at that state of story, Quinn care with mc, but i remember ep4 when ducking on roof. kind of said: ok, ok, i duck with you, just dont fall down with drugs in your body, cuz it will be money problem for me, you can die later, just dont be problem for me with your die.
5 i never understand tommy why have problems with it. now you just give me an understanding.
6 oh yes, very jealous. Zoey said, he using out you for getting girls. but i think there is more. Tommy is that type of guy, who is a rooster on the rubbish heap.
this why fight with vinny. there is no place for 2 rooster. this why fight with mc. there is no place for 2 rooster. he suppresses the others. just the others dont have problem with it, because they dont have balls. so tommy "work" party planning and manage things, they just party and having fun
what is allowed to do with enemy, that you cant do with a friend. (attack with dildos the enemy-alfas is okay, attack and fist fight with a friend-mc is not okay)
Tommy is an asshole and dont have pussy like Sally and Quinn, so there is no taming option, no angry sex option. there is no any option to take out the stress what he cause, so stay the dislike or hate for him.
 
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well, i will admit. i hate him, because he is an asshole with mc
Tommy's an asshole, of course, but that's not why I dislike him.
I'm not a prude, and I can close my eyes to a lot of things, but that scene where he slaps Heather's tits was especially unpleasant. After all, the breast is a particularly sensitive part of the female body, any, even minor injury of which can lead to very sad consequences.
This scene suggests that Tommy absolutely doesn't give a shit even about his girlfriend. It is difficult to expect loyalty to the brotherhood from such a person.
 

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Bigger magnetic burgers. They don't break apart when you throw them at your friends, and definitely won't break when you drop them because you're carrying too many burgers in your arms.
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It'll be Nick's secret evil twin, Dick.
Ah yes, Sarah/Mel scene :cool:
I expect more than one of the DIKs is involved, but unwittingly. They do and say things they shouldn't while drunk, high and/or horny, which then hurt the frat. Inside involvement but not truly an inside job.
There is a version that there is no traitor and these leaks were due to negligence.
 
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Wow, you aren't just moving goal posts here. You're juggling them.

Tommy is not a nice guy. Objectively. Why does it bother you so much that players consider him an asshole?
I will say once again. Why do you hate Tommy?

And why is it so difficult for any of you to clarify why you hate him? And how is that moving the goalpost?

I just find it interesting that there are so many of you who can't define why you hate the character, except to say that he behaves just like you want your MC to behave.
 

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I will say once again. Why do you hate Tommy?

And why is it so difficult for any of you to clarify why you hate him? And how is that moving the goalpost?

I just find it interesting that there are so many of you who can't define why you hate the character, except to say that he behaves just like you want your MC to behave.
I find him to be quite a lovable character character, mostly because he has a lot of quite funny scenes. Though there is a bunch of reason to dislike him and they are more of them, than lovable traits. He mistreats pretty much any woman he meets and treats his own girlfriend like a hookup. He acts like a complete dick the vast majority of the time, except when shit is actually bad. He is childish and irresponsible, he didn't even take care of the MC like we was supposed to do during his Hell Week and after that. He has some serious anger issues and takes action before thinking of any consequences. Pathological liar as well. So overall he isn't exactly a bad dude, but he sure has some serious issues and in real life I'd keep my distance from him.
 

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I will say once again. Why do you hate Tommy?

And why is it so difficult for any of you to clarify why you hate him? And how is that moving the goalpost?

I just find it interesting that there are so many of you who can't define why you hate the character, except to say that he behaves just like you want your MC to behave.
Never said I hated him. I just consider him to be an asshole. Is that just too hard for you to understand? Is the concept of objectivity beyond your understanding?

Why does it get to you when Tommy is called an asshole?
 

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I will say once again. Why do you hate Tommy?

And why is it so difficult for any of you to clarify why you hate him? And how is that moving the goalpost?

I just find it interesting that there are so many of you who can't define why you hate the character, except to say that he behaves just like you want your MC to behave.
I said earlier I don't hate him, there's guys in other AVN's I detest and want to die, but I just think Tommy is a dick, who has no consequences for his actions (yet!). But he's also done things I respect like telling Quinn Tremolo did a good job and wasn't a bad guy, but I still think he's a dick.
 

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Tommy's an asshole, of course, but that's not why I dislike him.
I'm not a prude, and I can close my eyes to a lot of things, but that scene where he slaps Heather's tits was especially unpleasant. After all, the breast is a particularly sensitive part of the female body, any, even minor injury of which can lead to very sad consequences.
This scene suggests that Tommy absolutely doesn't give a shit even about his girlfriend. It is difficult to expect loyalty to the brotherhood from such a person.
yes and no. it was sooo funny in that moment, but tits are sensitive like balls. and tommy just should know how bad is a kick in the balls :LOL:
 

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I will say once again. Why do you hate Tommy?

And why is it so difficult for any of you to clarify why you hate him? And how is that moving the goalpost?

I just find it interesting that there are so many of you who can't define why you hate the character, except to say that he behaves just like you want your MC to behave.
Not really read what y'all been spamming, but here is my take. I don't hate him, but I dislike him and have 0 respect for him. Reasons:

1. He's cocky, but has nothing to show for it. So his arrogant and Big Boy pants attitude is an act. The DIKs were pretty useless till MC showed up and brought in change and order. Tommy is overall a shit leader. So him being what MC wants to be is a colosal turd of goal to aim for. I ain't the biggest fan of MC too, but Tommy is just a human turd.

2. He's a junky. Call it bias, but for me junkies are sub-human trash.

3. He's a crappy brother so far. 0 interactions worth mentioning. Only "big bro" moment he has is going after Oscar. But I stongly believe that if he were a better brother and person, Josy wouldn't be so clingy and "super interesting", dying to fit in.

4. He's a typical bully, but yet again, has nothing to show for it. At this point he's just a dog barking at cars.

5. Seems to me, he ain't respected by anyone.

6. He's a cheater, and that for me by default makes any person an irredeemable piece of shit.

7. He thinks hes the shit, but he's just shit. A junkie ass bad boy wannabe human failure.

Sure, you might not agree.
I am aware I'm baised and I don't care, lol.
 

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I'm the one who once liked Tommy in the early game. For his good sides. Because Tommy is a good party animal and in these moments he really reveals himself as a symbol of the DIKs fraternity: cool guys who love to have a good time. He has balls unlike most DIKs and is not afraid of alphas. Tommy actually apologizes to Tremolo for being a bad father and takes him to a bar. He copes with the internal crisis after the mansion ruining and joins the common cause, finding a job, leaving the infantile bubble.

But the further into the game, the more his bad sides are visible and they outweigh the good:
1. Tommy is a drug addict. And not just to smoke weed, he injects all sorts of rubbish into his veins and can't come off. Heroin, hello. He steals money from Heather for the next dose. He makes a deal with Vinny because of this, which leads to problems later.
2. He breaks the agreement with his girlfriend that they should talk to each other about "pluses" and do it again and again, thereby cheating on her.
3. Tommy breaks the DIK secret code twice: with Derek and then with Tremolo.
4. He lies about Vinny's "prop gun", which puts Tremolo in real danger to his life. Even Quinn did the better job there, warning MC to not mess with Vinny.
5. How insecure do you have to be to be afraid that someone will have sex with your sister? If Tommy thinks that makes him a cuck in the eyes of others, then this guy has serious self-esteem problems. If Tommy would have F95 account , he would be one of this fanatical anti-NTR crusaders :KEK: Tommy doesn't care about Josy, but only about his reputation, I think.
6. It seems like he is jealous of Tremolo and his success. He is constantly skeptical of our guy and he clearly doesn’t like it when he succeeds: “Fuck you for being that good.”
So it feels like Tommy is evolving from a controversial character to a negative one. I even suspect him as a potential traitor, because when a drug addict goes through withdrawal, he will do anything for a new dose. Maybe he snitches on DIKs for money?
So, what do we have here.

1. You're blaming Tommy for being an addict. Isn't addiction a disease?
2. You are sticking your nose into someone else's relationship.
3. The secret code thing is interesting. I've never seen the scene where Tommy does that, so I'm guessing it's something that only happens if MC fucked Jade, and if MC shared the video with the DIK's. A very obscure branch where the MC does something that's pretty fucked up. And that's why you the player hate Tommy?
4. I got the impression that Tommy was trying to protect the MC, though probably not doing a good job. Still, a pretty fucked up reason to hate him.
5. He's over protective of his step sister???
6. Tommy is jealous of MC? Well yeah I'm kind of surprised that every guy in the game isn't jealous.

To me all of these reasons, and some of the others I've heard, just point out what an asshole the MC is, or the way the players play him is some pretty stark assholery. But why blame Tommy for that?
 

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The MJ path is where he really breaks it, not just the joke scene.

What does he have to do to be considered a real asshole then, kick a puppy? It's a college setting with college stakes.
I haven't played MJ branch, so I haven't seen this scene, actually curious about it right now.

With that said, him mumbling jokes isn't breaking the code, the code is broken by itself when it says that one "should erase something from his memory", we all know that is not the way it happens, you can't control or erase something from memory, but you MUST keep it for yourself and not mention that to anyone ever. He was mumbling to himself in a convertible car in movement, I'm pretty sure no ne heard him, so yeah, a bit of a stretch. And also, Jacob, as nice as he's been, he could have waited at least 5 minutes for DIKs to make jokes on Derek, c'mon where's the fun on some friend doing some weird shit and you can even mock him?

About Tommy in general, he reminds me a friend from the fraternity I was back in college. I mean, dude is EXACTLY him, and because of that I "know" (at least I project on him) that he might be a bit selfish and spoiled, but he means good. He's far from being evil, and also he's gonna do his best to protect MC from Vinny.

As a young adult in college life he does his shit. I mean, drug addiction is pretty bad one. Also don't agree with the way he handles his relationship with Heather, he's already got a good deal of an "open-relationship" and he finds a way to cheat on that system.
 
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Tommy's an asshole, of course, but that's not why I dislike him.
I'm not a prude, and I can close my eyes to a lot of things, but that scene where he slaps Heather's tits was especially unpleasant. After all, the breast is a particularly sensitive part of the female body, any, even minor injury of which can lead to very sad consequences.
This scene suggests that Tommy absolutely doesn't give a shit even about his girlfriend. It is difficult to expect loyalty to the brotherhood from such a person.
Actually, a lot of girls are into that.
 

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Not really read what y'all been spamming, but here is my take. I don't hate him, but I dislike him and have 0 respect for him. Reasons:

1. He's cocky, but has nothing to show for it. So his arrogant and Big Boy pants attitude is an act. The DIKs were pretty useless till MC showed up and brought in change and order. Tommy is overall a shit leader. So him being what MC wants to be is a colosal turd of goal to aim for. I ain't the biggest fan of MC too, but Tommy is just a human turd.

2. He's a junky. Call it bias, but for me junkies are sub-human trash.

3. He's a crappy brother so far. 0 interactions worth mentioning. Only "big bro" moment he has is going after Oscar. But I stongly believe that if he were a better brother and person, Josy wouldn't be so clingy and "super interesting", dying to fit in.

4. He's a typical bully, but yet again, has nothing to show for it. At this point he's just a dog barking at cars.

5. Seems to me, he ain't respected by anyone.

6. He's a cheater, and that for me by default makes any person an irredeemable piece of shit.

7. He thinks hes the shit, but he's just shit. A junkie ass bad boy wannabe human failure.

Sure, you might not agree.
I am aware I'm baised and I don't care, lol.
You're blaming Tommy for Josy's fucked up traits? We don't know for sure how long ago Josy's parents divorced but I got the impression it wasn't that long.
 
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Actually, a lot of girls are into that.
it pains me to agree, but a friend of mine really likes to be slapped and choked during sex, I had no udea til I set her up on a date with her now husband and he vented to me about it lol. Now she's not exactly shy about it and proudly tells anyone she's comfortable about it. It's weird as hell lol.
 

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guys anyone have save ile from eps 2 so i can play season 3 and how to put the saves? i downlaod the season 3 and turn out its need safe file from eps 2 and i already deleted it
 
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