VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba jnr]

Come on Felice, nothing (except Madame of course) is worse than Lily's special set lol

Lily's ass is worse than Lily's special set...

Yeah, I think it's obvious that more renders means longer development times, I don't think anyone needed a trend line to understand that. It's that if we were on Episode 7's pace, 11 months development time would mean ~7700 renders and ~37 minutes of animation. If we were on Episode 8's pace, 11 months of development time would mean ~6600 renders and ~42 minutes of animation. We got almost 1000 less renders than the Episode 8 pace in Episode 10 and 12 less minutes of animation than the Episode 7 pace in Episode 10, the worse of both episodes. I think it's fair to say the number of renders is not proportional to the pace of those two episodes.

"I think it's fair to say the number of renders is not proportional to the pace of those two episodes"

That's true, but you've just cherry picked the two most efficient episodes of all time (based on renders per day). I could take the least efficient episodes, 4 and 5, and show that there'd be less renders in episode 10 at that rate.

If you factor in that the majority of episode 10's animations are 60fps (about 80%), it's overall render count per day is more efficient than every other episode except episodes 3, 7 & 8.

Unfortunately, the hardware upgrade impact never seriously improves delivery times because he just becomes more ambitious each time (increasing render count, render quality, average number of characters per render, animation fps, more minigames, etc.). Also remember, as each episode gets longer, the play testing gets longer.

In the end, I think the delivery times are very much justified by what is being produced for all episodes.

 

[ZenoMod]

yes, i have save of every path i have played which includes the persistent but when i load them none of them unlock the gallery.

Something similar happen to me. I think it's because the renpy folder which is in the appdata was never copy to the new pc.
Even if you had you save data as long as the renpy folder is not copy and paste to the new pc your gallery will be locked.

My advice is to use a gallery unlocker or start from the beginning which is a hassle.

Strange. Maybe the persistent file in %APPDADA% is the only one the game looks to decide if the gallery should be unlocked or not?

You could try to copy the persistent file you have in your "game\saves" folder into the "appdata\roaming\renpy\beingadik..." folder too, just to try... But mine is just a wild guess.

 

[shazba jnr]

This is actually false.

In the EP 10 movie files, there are 325 animations, only 129 of them are 60fps (or higher there a few 90/120 in there as well)

So in reality, the majority of EP 10 animations was actually in 30 fps.

My mistake, I thought all lewd scenes were 60fps, just checked, it's only the LIs (except for Maya for some reason, her solo sex scenes were only at 30fps).

But considering duration, and not actual count, it's almost 50/50, but yeah, not 80%.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

That's the mystery. The data shows that changing and upgrading his hardware, while theoretically should cut drastically rendering times, did in fact nothing for static images. So static images production has not improved (in a tangible way) from the first episode. I also don't see that much improvement in posing accuracy or scene lighting, he has not changed his style, with very rare exceptions. Yes, they look a bit better, that's also thanks to 4090s capabilities in ray tracing, surfaces, shadows etc.
Probably the more complex animations take him more time to pose, not only to be rendered (for the fact they're not 60fps).

From what I can tell, when doing Episode 10, he was done with the originally planned 5601 static renders in September (he later added 267 more) but with Episode 11 he had roughly 5000 renders left in mid-September, and if I understand correctly, he has roughly 600 left, so it's hard to know how long it takes. It's not divided equally in the development months.

 

[Gunizz]

Strange. Maybe the persistent file in %APPDADA% is the only one the game looks to decide if the gallery should be unlocked or not?

You could try to copy the persistent file you have in your "game\saves" folder into the "appdata\roaming\renpy\beingadik..." folder too, just to try... But mine is just a wild guess.

In the past I moved the game\saves folder of season 1-2 two times after reinstalling Windows, without any problem. So if a change occurred, it has been done in a following update. Tuatha Dé is it happening on both games? (Season 1-2 and 3)

 

[Crusader of Romance]

Last status update revealed the queue had 62 animations & hundred of statics render on it.

DPC also said there were still some 15 scenes that needed art (statics) and that the final lewd scene still wasn't complete (still needed a few more animations)

Considering all this, that render queue shouldn't end before very late january. Add in a 3 week beta and the best case scenario is late february.

I doubt we will get the best case scenario though, so I have been calling it a march release for a while now.

You might be right. Like I said, it depends on how long the animations are and how complex.

 

[Chalk boss]

Actually, IRL the most extreme sexual behaviour is quite often the result of a rebellion to strict religious education.


It is very likely that an excess of upbringing in one direction results in an excess in the opposite direction once the child grows up.

And since Maya, from day zero [here meaning from her very first appearance in the VN], has rejected her father’s homophobia and embraced her lesbianism without issue, it’s entirely in character for her to also embrace other practices that are taboo for her father (but clearly not for her).

If that were true, all nuns would be having anal sex.....
My point is that if Maya really had a strict religious father, the very idea of having sex would be repulsive to her, she would consider it sinful and immoral.
Basically, Maya's no different from Sage and the other girls. She is outgoing, although she considers herself an introvert( why?).
She dresses boldly for someone who lived in a strict family. She easily makes contact with strangers.

Have you even played Episode 10 where all this is shown? And even without Ep.10, having a key to your dorm is insane.

I played episode 10. In episode 10, Patrick is not presented as a religious fanatic. He is shown as an unhappy father.
If Patrick really was a religious fanatic, Maya would dress like Jill, be afraid to talk to a stranger, and definitely be heterosexual.
As I said I don't see any pressure from Patrick if first of all Maya can dress as she wants, secondly she is too outgoing for the withdrawn and under constant pressure daughter of a tyrant father, thirdly we hardly see any complexes about her appearance.

Her development as a character is an exploration of her heterosexuality, not a rebellion against her father. We haven't seen her complexes, her constant doubts about her appearance, her behavior, or her reflections on moral compasses.
But this is just an AVN game. And a porn game has a lot of forgiveness.

Actually, he demands not to wear such a revealing dress anymore at the beginning of Ep.7, did you forget that? And what does "dress like a whore" mean? Are shorts and a crop top a sign of a whore? Go outside in the summer. This is a common look for young girls.

Jill, even in the summer, dresses modestly and doesn't wear shorts.

 

[Gunizz]

From what I can tell, when doing Episode 10, he was done with the originally planned 5601 static renders in September (he later added 267 more) but with Episode 11 he had roughly 5000 renders left in mid-September, and if I understand correctly, he has roughly 600 left, so it's hard to know how long it takes. It's not divided equally in the development months.

Yes, probably the only rendering queue that is always active is the animations one. The static renderings occupy only one PC and not fully, it's probably the same PC he uses to manage other stuff like UI images and animations too when it's free of other tasks. That's my best guess because he never answered to the questions about his hardware, I don't know why he acts so misteriously. Usually developers are quite happy to disclose their set-up. The guy is quite an anomaly.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I played episode 10. In episode 10, Patrick is not presented as a religious fanatic. He is shown as an unhappy father.
If Patrick really was a religious fanatic, Maya would dress like Jill, be afraid to talk to a stranger, and definitely be heterosexual.
As I said I don't see any pressure from Patrick if first of all Maya can dress as she wants, secondly she is too outgoing for the withdrawn and under constant pressure daughter of a tyrant father, thirdly we hardly see any complexes about her appearance.

Her development as a character is an exploration of her heterosexuality, not a rebellion against her father. We haven't seen her complexes, her constant doubts about her appearance, her behavior, or her reflections on moral compasses.
But this is just an AVN game. And a porn game has a lot of forgiveness.

I'll correct something here. Maya dresses as she pleases when she is away from Patrick. Outside of his influence, she feels more free to do as she pleases and that contract is the gun to her head that holds her back.
I agree in some ways. Maya is exploring herself and discovering new things (bisexuality, not heterosexuality). Maybe Maya didn't realize that she likes people regardless of gender, emotional attachment is important to her, understanding that she is cared for, and this is probably the trigger that causes her attachment.
Further, regarding clothes - Maya dressed very conservatively for the event with Patrick. She behaves within the limits imposed by Patrick, but only within the family.

If Patrick really was a religious fanatic, Maya would dress like Jill, be afraid to talk to a stranger, and definitely be heterosexual.

Jill, even in the summer, dresses modestly and doesn't wear shorts.

If you played Jill's route, she explains her wardrobe. Her parents always bought her clothes and she is used to a classic style. Moreover, Jill is much more conservative than Maya.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

Yes, probably the only rendering queue that is always active is the animations one. The static renderings occupy only one PC and not fully, it's probably the same PC he uses to manage other stuff like UI images and animations too when it's free of other tasks. That's my best guess because he never answered to the questions about his hardware, I don't know why he acts so misteriously. Usually developers are quite happy to disclose their set-up. The guy is quite an anomaly.

From what I have read, he has 5 PCs (someone said 8, but that's the only time I read that number), at least 2 with RTX 4090 (but likely more if not all of them now, since he was really impressed by how good it was). But other than that, yeah, he's not interested in talking about hardware it seems.

 

[Bazsa4]

okay but has anyone noticed how the girls are going from DIK to CHICK from lefft to right in the image for status updates?

 

[Lord Bradley]

okay but has anyone noticed how the girls are going from DIK to CHICK from lefft to right in the image for status updates?
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If it was accurate it would be

Quinn - Sage - Josy - Bella - Jill - Maya

The second Demon Maya smells fun you get Game Over screen and have to restart game as Massive CHICK.

 

[buggs]

That's true, but you've just cherry picked the two most efficient episodes of all time

I don't think it's cherrypicking, I think it's choosing episodes that are closer to his experience level and hardware. I know I've repeated this a bajillion times but again, all of my numbers only give slack to Episode 10 (and Episode 11) considering it was supposed to be using better hardware, so you really can't compare Episode 7 and 8 to it 1:1, yet even in a losing battle episode 7 is VASTLY more efficient.

I could take the least efficient episodes, 4 and 5, and show that there'd be less renders in episode 10 at that rate.

That's not true tho, Episode 10 has a lower rate of renders than both Episode 4 and 5. If you include animations it becomes a bit more even, but again I just think animations end up contributing very little to the enjoyment of the episode. The ratio for Seconds Animated/week for Episodes 4, 5, and 7 is 22.6, 25.6, and 29.6 respectively. Pretty close imo, but in the end what that oftentimes contributes to anyway is just scenes like an animation showing the Mansion decorated for Halloween or Zoey running... Things that I personally would have been fine just seeing a still image for.

Of course this is just my personal opinion, and more power to you if you're a big fan of those animations, but I just don't think they're worth the extra time the game has taken.

If you factor in that the majority of episode 10's animations are 60fps (about 80%), it's overall render count per day is more efficient than every other episode except episodes 3, 7 & 8.

But... This is the exact thing I'm criticizing... He's investing more time into an animation that for all intents and purposes is the exact same as if he... didn't do that. Not sure what you think my argument is, it's not that the machines are rendering the stills and animations slower, it's that DPC is deliberately making decisions that lengthen the development time with little impact to the overall enjoyment of the game, like I said in my original comment:

It's not that he's not doing work, it's that he does things that very clearly have made the episodes take drastically longer to develop that no one was really asking for, like 60 fps animations.

 

[Gunizz]

From what I have read, he has 5 PCs (someone said 8, but that's the only time I read that number), at least 2 with RTX 4090 (but likely more if not all of them now, since he was really impressed by how good it was). But other than that, yeah, he's not interested in talking about hardware it seems.

DPC said that all his PCs have 4090s because when he upgraded his systems he dismissed all the 3090s. So that's the only fact we know. He hinted that he changed also not only the graphic cards, but that's expected because he probably upgraded the RAM as well to fully substain the assets that can be loaded with a 4090s. But he never (as far as I know) specified how many PCs he got. I too heard numbers from 5 to 8 (these are plausible numbers) but I've never seen a direct quote from him. He just said once that he almost saturated the his house allowed electrical capacity, honestly that seemed strange to me, if he's in Germany or Sweden. I mean we can go over 16kW in Italy, paying much more than the standard 3.2kW of course.
To saturate 15kW you need really a lot of workstations. He said that when he had the 3090s or just after upgraded, if I remember correctly. A single 4090 absorbs max 450W.

If that were true, all nuns would be having anal sex.....

Wait! According to my studies and my sources that's what nuns normally do!

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[hui13594]

One year wait for 30min update with some new ugly girls or whaterver

 

[MiltonPowers]

One year wait for 30min update with some new ugly girls or whaterver

 

[Crowangel]

someone asked about the fight screens for episode 11.. sorry i lost your OP.. This is most likely aftermath of heather/Tommy situation regardless of if you went with her or not..

The fact there are no remorseful or people looking in shock at rio's abduction prob means that most of the shots at what seems to be a lodge at xmas will be an event and freeroam party from later in the episode, possibly the closing party for the episode..

The underwear zoe and co. shots are from the Panty Party Tommy alluded to in an earlier episode.. so thats at least 2 parties we can plan or attend in this episode..

I suspect that Rio's abduction will go a few ways.. instant resolved.. long term - people dont know where she is or her being missing is somehow covered so people dont realise she hasnt just gone home for the holidays etc.. or it will be a ongoing story arc resolved in episode 12..

Sage will have a emotional arc depending on various aspects like if you went with jade while romancing her as well.. if you kept the recording secret or had it leaked.. as well as a defualt route where your supporting her as she deals with the divorce of her parents regardless of boyfriend or friend routes..

I havent seen much of Lily in the release shots but given the 'warming up' route between her and mc had during thanksgiving camp out, personally id like to see this evolve further.. Although im still not 100% she isnt a cop lol

 

[Crowangel]

I really can't see how Rio's abduction could be long term, even if Quinn lied and said she had an family emergency that made her leave for a while people would start to get very worried if she didnt answer any messages or calls.

Its probably going to be a quick solution, just a scare tactic to make Quinn back down from Vinny territory.

that was my theory for the quick resolution.. long term quinn might not have a choice but to keep quiet and cover if she is having her hand forced by Vinny.. as for everyone else thats more tricky to work around but the whole no signal in her home area could work via quinn.. i havent seen much of quinn either in scenes so there story could be told away from the main mc tracked plot

 

[Crusader of Romance]

I really can't see how Rio's abduction could be long term, even if Quinn lied and said she had an family emergency that made her leave for a while people would start to get very worried if she didnt answer any messages or calls.

Its probably going to be a quick solution, just a scare tactic to make Quinn back down from Vinny territory.

I hope you're right. I don't feel like waiting until 2026 to see if she's OK.

 

[shazba jnr]

I don't think it's cherrypicking, I think it's choosing episodes that are closer to his experience level and hardware. I know I've repeated this a bajillion times but again, all of my numbers only give slack to Episode 10 (and Episode 11) considering it was supposed to be using better hardware, so you really can't compare Episode 7 and 8 to it 1:1, yet even in a losing battle episode 7 is VASTLY more efficient.

That's not true tho, Episode 10 has a lower rate of renders than both Episode 4 and 5. If you include animations it becomes a bit more even, but again I just think animations end up contributing very little to the enjoyment of the episode. The ratio for Seconds Animated/week for Episodes 4, 5, and 7 is 22.6, 25.6, and 29.6 respectively. Pretty close imo, but in the end what that oftentimes contributes to anyway is just scenes like an animation showing the Mansion decorated for Halloween or Zoey running... Things that I personally would have been fine just seeing a still image for.

Of course this is just my personal opinion, and more power to you if you're a big fan of those animations, but I just don't think they're worth the extra time the game has taken.

But... This is the exact thing I'm criticizing... He's investing more time into an animation that for all intents and purposes is the exact same as if he... didn't do that. Not sure what you think my argument is, it's not that the machines are rendering the stills and animations slower, it's that DPC is deliberately making decisions that lengthen the development time with little impact to the overall enjoyment of the game, like I said in my original comment:

Just realised I was fucking up my inclusion of animations, I was calculating 30 frames per minute, not per second... I was wondering why it wasn't having that much of an impact...

So yeah, very different graph:



Here's the data:

Episode​	Static Renders​	Seconds Animation​	Total Renders​	Dev Days​	Renders/Day​
2​	1709​	216​	8189​	87​	94.13​
3​	2289​	282​	10749​	105​	102.37​
4​	2532​	477​	16842​	148​	113.80​
5​	2456​	515​	17906​	141​	126.99​
6​	3336​	513​	18726​	169​	110.80​
7​	3723​	1094​	36543​	162​	225.57​
8​	4158​	1581​	51588​	211​	244.49​
9​	5037​	1568​	52077​	287​	181.45​
10​	5868​	1510​	73818​	336​	219.70​

Total renders are static + anim * 30. Episode 10 is anim * 45 since half the duration of renders are at 60 fps.

So yeah, episodes 7 & 8 were killing it. 10 isn't too bad comparatively speaking, and 7, 8 & 10 shit over all the other episodes.

Totally agree that the excessive and unnecessary animations are the main problem with dragging on each new episode. But everyone's been saying that all along.