VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Better Cock Spock]

One way of speeding things up but still pretty much doing 100% of the work is to hire some people to just to render animations. Its still all his story, posing, creating etc. Just getting some outside help with the thing that takes the longest. Would just be the same as buying a couple of new PC's really, only cheaper I guess.
If his beta testers are regular ones maybe they could do it.
Or would renders still take donkeys years to download to another PC?

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He isn't going to hire anyone. He isn't concerned about going faster, he doesn't want to share his money, he doesn't want to rely on anyone, and he wants complete control over development. It's a big mix of ego, greed and artistic temperament, and it isn't an even split.

 

[Lagunavii]

One way of speeding things up but still pretty much doing 100% of the work is to hire some people to just to render animations. Its still all his story, posing, creating etc. Just getting some outside help with the thing that takes the longest. Would just be the same as buying a couple of new PC's really, only cheaper I guess.
If his beta testers are regular ones maybe they could do it.
Or would renders still take donkeys years to download to another PC?

The speed wouldn't increase, or so the story goes... essentially he doesn't like to have idle PCs so ultimately he times everything to finish at once. Suppose he suddenly has more rendering power than he did in the past. In that case, he will find that everything is rendered before he's written and coded the game, which by all means, theoretically means it could come out faster, but now his PCs are sat idle he will up the quality of the renders thus increasing the time. Last time this happened when he upgraded his cards he upped the quality from 30 fps to 60 fps. the guy has a really particular way of working and wont break that cycle

 

[Blue Milk]

there a massive difference between Josy and a Maya

Yeah, that being that Maya has way more on her plate and a far deeper story than Josy does. Josy's story is shallower than a rock pool at low tide

just facts Josy is the most pivotal

Dude, remove Josy from Maya's equation and she still deals with an abusive, controlling, bigoted father. Remove Maya from Josy's equation and Josy's just a high school prom queen type girl with not much to her besides her looks along with Daddy and family issues. One has it way easier than the other, and let me tell you, it's not Josy. If anything, Josy just exacerbates Maya's issues.

Even though I like the throuple and like both girls, I'm under no illusions as to who they both are and what they're dealing with, particularly Josy. She really isn't her own person at the moment and is more like an accessory to Maya's issues, but not accessory in the fashion sense of the word like she's a sparkly add-on, but more accessory in the crime sense in that she's kinda aiding and abetting this bad situation that's befallen Maya. Doesn't mean I think they should split or anything because I believe Patrick is wrong for doing this, but her whole purpose and that of her relationship seems to be as the focal point of Maya's story and drama which means Josy isn't much of an individual character right now. So in that sense, maybe, she's pivotal but not in a positive way, really.

However, I do believe her and Maya are in love with each other and can be good with each other, they're just in a shitty situation right now that can be improved. Josy, though, really needs to start getting something for herself, finding herself as her own person with her own identity and not just have her whole identity being "Maya's secret girlfriend", which is what it is now. Finding a hobby, finding an individual purpose, finding something that lets her stretch her own wings can be good for her and I want that for her because she needs it so it can improve her own sense of self-worth and identity.

To act like she doesn't need any of that, or that she already has that, or that she's "perfect" as she is and has an amazing individual story already is to be blind to the truth and is the literal definition of looking at someone with rose-tinted love goggles.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

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He isn't going to hire anyone. He isn't concerned about going faster, he doesn't want to share his money, he doesn't want to rely on anyone, and he wants complete control over development. It's a big mix of ego, greed and artistic temperament, and it isn't an even split.

Despite the long amount of time it takes him to produce the update, I still think it's pretty impressive he manages to do everything himself.

As an artist myself I can understand his reasoning wanting to do it alone. I've known some similar type guys in my early school years. They might have been frustrating to deal with in some areas, but they always produced damn good works of art in the end and for them that's all that really mattered. You don't really find that many people that dedicated to their job, profession or even hobby like that. The temperament I can understand but I don't see it as having anything to do with ego or greed at all. In a way it's like someone working hard on creating an exquisite painting or drawing and having someone else come in and paint/draw a small section while the artist does the main section so it can be produced faster. Not many artists would be okay with that as it detracts from what they want the finalized piece to look like and everyone will have a different style that will rarely, if ever, match with each other.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Despite the long amount of time it takes him to produce the update, I still think it's pretty impressive he manages to do everything himself.

As an artist myself I can understand his reasoning wanting to do it alone. I've known some similar type guys in my early school years. They might have been frustrating to deal with in some areas, but they always produced damn good works of art in the end and for them that's all that really mattered. You don't really find that many people that dedicated to their job, profession or even hobby like that. The temperament I can understand but I don't see it as having anything to do with ego or greed at all. In a way it's like someone working hard on creating an exquisite painting or drawing and having someone else come in and paint/draw a small section while the artist does the main section so it can be produced faster. Not many artists would be okay with that as it detracts from what they want the finalized piece to look like and everyone will have a different style that will rarely, if ever, match with each other.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Despite the long amount of time it takes him to produce the update, I still think it's pretty impressive he manages to do everything himself.

As an artist myself I can understand his reasoning wanting to do it alone. I've known some similar type guys in my early school years. They might have been frustrating to deal with in some areas, but they always produced damn good works of art in the end and for them that's all that really mattered. You don't really find that many people that dedicated to their job, profession or even hobby like that. The temperament I can understand but I don't see it as having anything to do with ego or greed at all. In a way it's like someone working hard on creating an exquisite painting or drawing and having someone else come in and paint/draw a small section while the artist does the main section so it can be produced faster. Not many artists would be okay with that as it detracts from what they want the finalized piece to look like and everyone will have a different style that will rarely, if ever, match with each other.

You know how when you hear about troubled movie productions, the term "studio interference" gets thrown around a lot? Oh the suits wouldn't let artists bring their true vision to life, those monsters! That gives a false impression that if left alone, directors would be able to pump out nothing but bangers and masterpiece after masterpiece.

These are broad generalizations I'll admit, but more time does not automatically equal more quality. Creating art is a mix of business and talent, there is give and take. Producers fund the project, but set restrictions so things don't go off the rails, like going over budget or taking too long.
Because his patrons throw cash at him with no end in sight, DPC takes full advantage to do whatever he wants, no matter how self-indulgent it may be.

The biggest example in recent years is probably the Snyder Cut, for both ends of the spectrum. WB re-did nearly the entire movie with Whedon, then later let Snyder put in basically everything originally filmed into a 4 hour movie with little oversight, and he even shot new stuff on top of it. DPC is on the Snyder Cut side, with 60FPS and more minigames and stupid shit like Madame Rose (regardless of how much dev time actually goes towards her). This should be a balancing act, but there's no balance at all.

The game will take forever to make, just to satisfy his artistic vision. And coincidentally he'll make a fortune as we wait.

 

[Kond]

Despite the long amount of time it takes him to produce the update, I still think it's pretty impressive he manages to do everything himself.

As an artist myself I can understand his reasoning wanting to do it alone. I've known some similar type guys in my early school years. They might have been frustrating to deal with in some areas, but they always produced damn good works of art in the end and for them that's all that really mattered. You don't really find that many people that dedicated to their job, profession or even hobby like that. The temperament I can understand but I don't see it as having anything to do with ego or greed at all. In a way it's like someone working hard on creating an exquisite painting or drawing and having someone else come in and paint/draw a small section while the artist does the main section so it can be produced faster. Not many artists would be okay with that as it detracts from what they want the finalized piece to look like and everyone will have a different style that will rarely, if ever, match with each other.

If i had his talent and the ways to do a game i would be doing it alone too. Its almost impossible to ensure the work is being done exactly the way i want and people pissing me off would take away my will to make a game on the long run. And imagine, you hire someone for a specified amount of money, the moment the game become successful people will become greedy, and the hired person would want more money...if you agree, they will want more in the future...if the amount of money the game makes drop they will not accept less. Maybe the person will get tired at some point and leave the project...then you have to hire someone else, and maybe the person cannot do it at the same pace as the previous one...maybe is a difficult person to deal with....so many bad probabilities that i dont think its a good idea to hire people if the person can do it alone.

 

[Darkwen the Josy lover]

Yeah, that being that Maya has way more on her plate and a far deeper story than Josy does. Josy's story is shallower than a rock pool at low tide





Dude, remove Josy from Maya's equation and she still deals with an abusive, controlling, bigoted father. Remove Maya from Josy's equation and Josy's just a high school prom queen type girl with not much to her besides her looks along with Daddy and family issues. One has it way easier than the other, and let me tell you, it's not Josy. If anything, Josy just exacerbates Maya's issues.

Even though I like the throuple and like both girls, I'm under no illusions as to who they both are and what they're dealing with, particularly Josy. She really isn't her own person at the moment and is more like an accessory to Maya's issues, but not accessory in the fashion sense of the word like she's a sparkly add-on, but more accessory in the crime sense in that she's kinda aiding and abetting this bad situation that's befallen Maya. Doesn't mean I think they should split or anything because I believe Patrick is wrong for doing this, but her whole purpose and that of her relationship seems to be as the focal point of Maya's story and drama which means Josy isn't much of an individual character right now. So in that sense, maybe, she's pivotal but not in a positive way, really.

However, I do believe her and Maya are in love with each other and can be good with each other, they're just in a shitty situation right now that can be improved. Josy, though, really needs to start getting something for herself, finding herself as her own person with her own identity and not just have her whole identity being "Maya's secret girlfriend", which is what it is now. Finding a hobby, finding an individual purpose, finding something that lets her stretch her own wings can be good for her and I want that for her because she needs it so it can improve her own sense of self-worth and identity.

To act like she doesn't need any of that, or that she already has that, or that she's "perfect" as she is and has an amazing individual story already is to be blind to the truth and is the literal definition of looking at someone with rose-tinted love goggles.

I never said Josy doesn't have her problems she does however Josy doesn't bring you down with her unlike Maya. It is very clear throuple or off throuple Josy and Maya prefer MC over the other girl, they once love each other but those days are over. There is zero reason for there relationship not to be better then it is now but there relationship is shit. Maybe it can be save but it will take mc other wise it over.

 

[FalconLover420]

we are still stuck at thanksgiving and he talks about spring break and valentines day.

lol DPC is a mad man after all

 

[Bootyman92]

Yeah, that being that Maya has way more on her plate and a far deeper story than Josy does. Josy's story is shallower than a rock pool at low tide





Dude, remove Josy from Maya's equation and she still deals with an abusive, controlling, bigoted father. Remove Maya from Josy's equation and Josy's just a high school prom queen type girl with not much to her besides her looks along with Daddy and family issues. One has it way easier than the other, and let me tell you, it's not Josy. If anything, Josy just exacerbates Maya's issues.

Even though I like the throuple and like both girls, I'm under no illusions as to who they both are and what they're dealing with, particularly Josy. She really isn't her own person at the moment and is more like an accessory to Maya's issues, but not accessory in the fashion sense of the word like she's a sparkly add-on, but more accessory in the crime sense in that she's kinda aiding and abetting this bad situation that's befallen Maya. Doesn't mean I think they should split or anything because I believe Patrick is wrong for doing this, but her whole purpose and that of her relationship seems to be as the focal point of Maya's story and drama which means Josy isn't much of an individual character right now. So in that sense, maybe, she's pivotal but not in a positive way, really.

However, I do believe her and Maya are in love with each other and can be good with each other, they're just in a shitty situation right now that can be improved. Josy, though, really needs to start getting something for herself, finding herself as her own person with her own identity and not just have her whole identity being "Maya's secret girlfriend", which is what it is now. Finding a hobby, finding an individual purpose, finding something that lets her stretch her own wings can be good for her and I want that for her because she needs it so it can improve her own sense of self-worth and identity.

To act like she doesn't need any of that, or that she already has that, or that she's "perfect" as she is and has an amazing individual story already is to be blind to the truth and is the literal definition of looking at someone with rose-tinted love goggles.

Josy's not perfect, but how much story she has is a subjective view to whoever is playing the game. She's a lot more than just Maya's girlfriend, though. She has her own insecurities, like every other girl, fell for a summer crush whilst being in a relationship, is dealing with the bigotry of her girlfriend's dad and how its affecting their relationship, gets the chance to be with said summer crush and her girlfriend at the same time, takes it hard should they break up (like anyone else would), has to deal with her self-centered stepbrother knowing about her relationship... there's more I could add, but I've made my point.

It's not about who's story is the best, the best thing DPC has done is that he's fleshed out every one of the love interests as people we could see in real life dealing with these situations, and there's no better feeling as a writer than creating a character with depth. I don't see why people have to argue this.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I don't see why people have to argue this.

 

[Maccabbee]

While Josy and Maya are both imperfect, I still think that as the first two LIs introduced in the game, they were fantastic. They both were extremely sweet, very cute, and a lot of fun. Josy was hot, and the crush vibe was believable. Maya was funny and gorgeous in a believable way. They also both gave fairly clear red flags. Really a great way to intro the game for first time players.

 

[TheNowhereWolf]

My resolution to shit on Josy less is being greatly tested.

 

[Macky009]

First of good afternoon, I was gone for only less than 12 hours and now i'm behind 8 pages. Look's like it will be a long reding for me. Last time I believe someone on what is happening to the thread I'd missed alot of the good stuff that is happening.

I like Josy. When she’s on path of that vacuum cleaner and doesn’t get in the way.

They'd need to complete the beta testing in less than a week for that to happen, and that ain't gonna happen.

We never know but there is still a possiblity.

 

[Macky009]

Haha the optimism. Love it

That only gives 4 days beta testing... No chance of a 14 Feb release

How long does it take to complete a beta test? I mean 4 to 7 days is short but it is possible

 

[Ray_D]

How long does it take to complete a beta test? I mean 4 to 7 days is short but it is possible

Well DPC has to play from episode 1 to 11, there are five main routes and the solo route with variations. Let's say it's going to take a while.

 

[Macky009]

You can also put in bn_cpu_hp = 1 at the start of the fight. Means you only need one move to win and get that shit over with.

Just install scrappy if you want to make the brawler easy, problem solved. But what's the thrill on that

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Well DPC has to play from episode 1 to 11, there are five main routes and the solo route with variations. Let's say it's going to take a while.

Beta testing is going to last a while, because of his new minigame: Catch the Zodiac Killer

 

[Ray_D]

Beta testing is going to last a while, because of his new minigame: Catch the Zodiac Killer

I thought it would be delayed by the snowball war mini-game.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I thought it would be delayed by the snowball war mini-game.

Real talk, wouldn't that basically be the tennis minigame? You could even have a Dawe face for when you want to get him in the face and balls

Unless he tries to get fancy and does a whole new thing like with gUndead.