VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

I can be very stubborn if I think I'm right, if I'm wrong I'm wrong

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[Darkwen the Josy lover]

Again, it was a misunderstanding because of Quinn bullshit. Maya was thinking on stress and adrenaline, Josy didn't support her in that moment. That's all in that situation. It's not that deep that Maya wanted to ruin everything for Josy.

That don't make it ok for Maya to try to control Josy. Maya had bad information that she fail for, Josy is the one not being support not Maya. Josy shouldn't have to take the hit for Maya being dumb

 

[Darkwen the Josy lover]

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good one

 

[Ricthequick]

Oh my god a Josy vs Maya debate!!

I miss a couple of days and things get heated!

Since early on (1st and second playthrough) I decided I wouldn't care about either I really have no horse in this race, but...

Maya has a bit of a Borderline personality disorder, Josy on the other hand a bit histrionic, one is always unsure and looking for support, the other superficially outspoken and sexually "aggressive", but ultimately also herself very unsure.

A couple made in heaven, that's why after originally getting pissed by how they both treated my Tremolo, and how poorly he was allowed to react, I decided they are better, actually worse, off together, with Tremolo instead chasing Bella (or any other LI worth chasing).

As you can see I managed not to mention Maya's big head!

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

That don't make it ok for Maya to try to control Josy. Maya had bad information that she fail for, Josy is the one not being support not Maya. Josy shouldn't have to take the hit for Maya being dumb

I take with solution, DW, that will end all debates.
Nuke Maya/Josy relationships. They should break up.

 

[Lagunavii]

Thing is, without this relationship drama, the "main plot" of Quinn and all that stuff is still chugging along and isn't really affected by that. If there was no JM relationship, Josy would be the easiest girl in the whole but Maya would still have the abusive, controlling Dad and teminally ill Mom at home. The controlling aspect over her orientation wouldn't be there, sure, but it would be under the surface, and she'd still have a more things going than Josy.

Well yes and no, and Im making some assumptions here based on theories alone. mainly because as yet, we don't know the state of Quinns restaurant, but, without Maya (who Quinn totally misread and thought she was a dead cert to join the restaurant) would she have slowed down her massive expansion idea given its one less guaranteed income coming in? Doubtful as it seems those plans were already in motion so yes the drugs plot probably goes on. But by the time we get to the Priscilla we need to talk followed by Quinn storming out of the office, without Maya going to Burke that scene doesn't happen, and again I'm assuming the restaurant is closing cause of that, but with it staying open Quinn still has access to some of her funds to keep treading the water... the journey may be the same, overall, but the destination and outcome is very different.

As I said, Josy is needed to be in a relationship with Maya, so that Maya's Dad gives her the ultimatum, which makes Maya want to join the hots, which potentially causes Quinn to get bigger ideas, which all falls through, which causes her to go to burke, which potentially identifies that the restaurant is too big, which causes them to steal the contract. without the JM relationship, yeah there may be still some drama there in the back but it certainly doesn't get driven along in the same pace or direction as before.

More like obsessed than in love, imo.

Hmmm I only said practically in love. I can get behind obsessed though.

Oh, Josy's definitely the key component to Maya's drama because if not in this relationship, Maya doesn't have the ultimatum. It's Maya's and Josy's wish to want to find a way out of the predicament they're in that then becomes both of their stories.

BIngo, and hence that for all intents and purposes is Josy role in the story. Once she arrives at B&R she gets practically no story at all and is just used to push the need for maya to get out of her prediciment.

How? Like you say, we know next to nothing about their relationship before the MC or what they can be like alone in private, but I think it's stretch to say they're no right for each other. From what I've seen, when they're together in those good moments, there's a clear bond between them and they bounce off and compliment each other well. Their connection, to me, does seem strong, they just often have problems communicating how they're feeling and since they're still only 19, I'd say that comes with their age.

Right it might be a stretch to say they were never right for each other, because yes you are right there, other than the flashback we don't really know anything. Was it just a summer fling two girls took too far? Who knows? But what we do know is that a boy, the same boy no less, came between them very easily and yes the relationship can go without them. But even still, Josy is still pining after the MC, putting her selfish wants above that of the couple

Josy is a very selfish, self-centred, childish, immature person. Maya on the other hand she doesn't know how to handle these traits, she gets very defensive, some would say toxic, but thanks to dealing with her mother has somewhat maturity to her so can self-reflect and can admit when she is wrong and her character gets stronger as the game goes on....

SO yes you may be right to call it a stretch, maybe it would be better to say they don't work together, They may have, but once MC enters their life... its a different ball game.

 

[Blue Milk]

If ep11 ends with a Josy and Maya 3some and everything good with them I would have to rethink a lot of things

Well, we already know there's a threesome so you're already halfway there to having your own paradigm shift

That was the only chose there thought Josy had no other chose but to join the hots. To me it up to Maya to meet Josy haft way there. Maya is in the wrong here I get it she upset but Josy can't stay in Maya's room with patrick having a key and she can't always sleep in mc bed(sadly) Joining the Hot is the best thing Josy can do and it actually helps Maya

When Josy still expressed her interest in still being a HOT, this was before they knew Patrick was there and before Josy needed somewhere else to stay. It became a means to an end later which Maya accepts, but in the heat of the moment immediately after feelings humiliated, Josy expressing that interest wasn't tactful even if it she was caught off guard and she was expressing herself genuinely. You can even tell she's cagey about saying this because I think deep down she knows this is bad saying this given what's just happened.

That don't make it ok for Maya to try to control Josy. Maya had bad information that she fail for, Josy is the one not being support not Maya. Josy shouldn't have to take the hit for Maya being dumb

Again, not about control, just that it hurts her to hear that her gf still wants to be part of the group that she feels played a cruel prank on them. Anyone in her situation would feel that way in that immediate moment when things are still raw.

 

[KАRАMBA]

I take with solution, DW, that will end all debates.
Nuke Maya/Josy relationships. They should break up.

What?
Hell no. Josy belongs to Maya.
Yes. Absolutely.
Just like Jill belongs to Tybalt, Bella belongs to James, and Sage belongs to Chad...
And, well, out of pure mercy, Divine Quinn will take the peasant.
He can't be left unattended.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

What?
Hell no. Josy belongs to Maya.
Yes. Absolutely.
Just like Jill belongs to Tybalt, Bella belongs to James, and Sage belongs to Chad...
And, well, out of pure mercy, Divine Quinn will take the peasant.
He can't be left unattended.

 

[Blue Milk]

But by the time we get to the Priscilla we need to talk followed by Quinn storming out of the office, without Maya going to Burke that scene doesn't happen, and again I'm assuming the restaurant is closing cause of that, but with it staying open Quinn still has access to some of her funds to keep treading the water... the journey may be the same, overall, but the destination and outcome is very different.

First of all, I don't think Burke is stopping the restaurant, I just think he gave Quinn some kind of slap on the wrist and a warning about the rumour and whatever he said or threatened her with has made her feel like those walls are closing in a bit. Maybe he's already holding something over head which is why she does this for him and he threatened her with that.

As for the thing with Maya causing that meeting, even without that, Rio still gets taken because that's unconnected to the restaurant stuff and that's probably the biggest thing that will bring this all crashing down. So even that Burke meeting isn't necessarily a big deal for main plot stuff.

Was it just a summer fling two girls took too far?

Well, we know they were friends before that, likely for a few years, so taking that next step probably comes with a lot of history and knowing each other very closely already. So it's not like they knew nothing of each other when they started this relationship, and that's where I think the connection comes from.

SO yes you may be right to call it a stretch, maybe it would be better to say they don't work together

I feel like they probably worked before Patrick found out, but this has now been sent to test them and how they deal with adversity. That's why I think that, if given the chance to be openly together without him hanging over them, they have a chance to get back to that.

 

[Darkwen the Josy lover]

Well, we already know there's a threesome so you're already halfway there to having your own paradigm shift



When Josy still expressed her interest in still being a HOT, this was before they knew Patrick was there and before Josy needed somewhere else to stay. It became a means to an end later which Maya accepts, but in the heat of the moment immediately after feelings humiliated, Josy expressing that interest wasn't tactful even if it she was caught off guard and she was expressing herself genuinely. You can even tell she's cagey about saying this because I think deep down she knows this is bad saying this given what's just happened.



Again, not about control, just that it hurts her to hear that her gf still wants to be part of the group that she feels played a cruel prank on them. Anyone in her situation would feel that way in that immediate moment when things are still raw.

We know there a 3some just not when it happens a earlier 3some works better for my chances I will admit
Josy express her interest in joing the Hots one second before they knew Patrick was there. Maya might be hurt but she still trying to control Josy out of that hurt and that is wrong

 

[Darkwen the Josy lover]

I take with solution, DW, that will end all debates.
Nuke Maya/Josy relationships. They should break up.

I'll drink to that

 

[BeingADikDik]

I take with solution, DW, that will end all debates.
Nuke Maya/Josy relationships. They should break up.

MC on Bella path.

Josy/Maya break up.

Maya hooks up with Sage.
Josy hooks up with Jill.

Group at spring break plays truth or dare. Things escalate into an orgy. All girls get praggernant. Game over.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Wow I just opened up the thread and had to wade through pages and pages of actual legitimate discussion, hard to find the memes buried under all of that boring shit

 

[Nikko_]

Don't want to type a wall of text again, I already said my opinion multiple times, so I get you
This
And this
Aaaand this

I don't have a simp bias to Maya, my favs are from another leagues

Got it, but I gotta disagree with your take on Josy " Obsessed with MC yandere who doesn't take the word "NO", is extremely selfish, prone to betrayal and rash actions "
- If she was obsessed, she would be texting and looking for MC at all times. What you are calling obsessed behavior is just the typical behavior of a person who has crush.
- Doesn't take the word NO is another exaggeration. I've seen girls who don't take NO for an answer, they will be all over a guy. Josy isn't. Also, MC has not been firm in rejecting her.
- "Extremely selfish" How and why? Because she is not all about Maya, all of the time? A selfish person would have dumped Maya's ass early.
- "Prone to betrayal". She had issues with Maya, and while thinking the relationship was most likely over she got a crush on somebody else. And only with that somebody is that she is showing that side.

On another post you write, " It is Josy who is willing to jump on magic cock on the second date, behind Maya's back ". And Maya wasn't? MAYA SHE WAS THE SAME. Besides, is not as if MC and Josy were strangers who just had a 2nd date. Your take ignores the context of them knowing each other from work and Josy thinking she had no chance of getting into the College.
An d on "what did the reunion show that was toxic on Maya's part?" Well, in the reunion Josy literally says something along the lines of "I read your texts, each one was meaner.... I don't like to fight...."

 

[jimbro]

Just like Jill belongs to Tybalt, and Sage belongs to Chad...

You mean Rio with Tybalt ? and of course as Sage belongs to Chad

 

[Lagunavii]

First of all, I don't think Burke is stopping the restaurant, I just think he give Quinn some kind of slap on the wrist and a warning about the rumour and whatever he said or threatened her with has made her feel like those walls are closing in a bit.

As for the thing with Maya causing that meeting, even without that, Rio still gets taken because that's unconnected to the restaurant stuff and that's probably the biggest things that will bring this all crashing down. So even that Burke meeting isn't necessarily a big deal for main plot stuff.

Well I get that, that's why I said I am making a lot of assumptions, Until we know what that meeting was about, we will never know
I might be wrong about this and I'll hold my hands up if I am, but I always got the impression the restaurant income was also used to supplement the fact Quinn was skimming off the top of the drugs for herself. I mean when Her and Rinoa were talking about coming up short, they mentioned the money Camila was bringing in.. and obviously both Maya and Mona were vital plans in her expansion plans going forward.

Now you're right, she had already gone off patch so to speak and sold to Lily before she'd lost both Maya and Mona, so perhaps the restaurant is maybe not that important in this situation, but I feel with it, with the members she planned, when vinny comes on and tells her to back off, shed be in a better position too. (Though its Quinn so likely not) you're still right though Rios getting take regardless

My point is the restaurant is actually in some way important here and while we may not know the importance of that meeting with Burke, it was definitely Mayas meeting with him that caused it.

I feel like they probably worked before Patrick found out, but this has now been sent to test them and how they deal with adversity. That's why I think that, if given the chance to be openly together without him hanging over them, they have a chance to get back to that.

yeah you could argue without Patrick the girls could work, the argument/disagreement between them about Josy still wanting to join the HOTs wouldn't have happened, The MC probably wouldn't have got between them, Josy wouldn't pine over the MC rather than focus on the relationship, etc etc. but that's not how it played out, \patrick did get involved, The MC did come between them, Josy was selfish and express her desire to join the HOTS rather than comfort her girlfriend, Josy did tell the MC she wanted him so much it hurts, despite being with Maya. The fact is Josy is a selfish person and Maya who has who expresses his care in the wrong way and a mother who thanks to her illness cant give her the care and comfort she wants. these are two people who are complete opposites and they need MC to work. without him balancing the pair out... they just don't work

 

[Blue Milk]

We know there a 3some just not when it happens a earlier 3some works better for my chances I will admit
Josy express her interest in joing the Hots one second before they knew Patrick was there. Maya might be hurt but she still trying to control Josy out of that hurt and that is wrong

Threesome looks to be happening after the party and the party is either halfway through the episode or 3/4 through. Either way, it's a throuple path thing so doesn't have much bearing on the chances of a split off of it.

And no, it really isn't about control, it's just hurt feelings in an emotional moment leading her to question why after what's happened. If it was about control, she wouldn't have accepted it after it became a means to an end and been more forceful about preventing her from doing it, which she didn't.

 

[Beefle]

You mean Rio with Tybalt ? and of course as Sage belongs to Chad

Oh no. Not her butthole!

 

[Blue Milk]

I might be wrong about this and I'll hold my hands up if I am, but I always got the impression the restaurant income was also used to supplement the fact Quinn was skimming off the top of the drugs for herself. I mean when Her and Rinoa were talking about coming up short, they mentioned the money Camila was bringing in.. and obviously both Maya and Mona were vital plans in her expansion plans going forward.

Well, my own assumption is that the restaurant was something fortuitous for Quinn that has allowed her to possibly skim off the top and pocket money for her own reasons. I feel like this is all Burke's doing, the restaurant, and that somehow Quinn got ensnared as the go-between, the fixer who signs up the girls, probably because Burke is holding something over her. But it was fortuitous for Quinn because it gave another revenue stream that made it easier to skim money from Buddy.

yeah you could argue without Patrick the girls could work, the argument/disagreement between them about Josy still wanting to join the HOTs wouldn't have happened, The MC probably wouldn't have got between them, Josy wouldn't pine over the MC rather than focus on the relationship, etc etc. but that's not how it played out, \patrick did get involved, The MC did come between them, Josy was selfish and express her desire to join the HOTS rather than comfort her girlfriend, Josy did tell the MC she wanted him so much it hurts, despite being with Maya. The fact is Josy is a selfish person and Maya who has who expresses his care in the wrong way and a mother who thanks to her illness cant give her the care and comfort she wants. these are two people who are complete opposites and they need MC to work. without him balancing the pair out... they just don't work

I mean, it's quite obvious that if Patrick were cool with his daughter's relationship or still didn't know about it, neither girl would probably give the MC a 2nd look because their relationship would be stable. The main reason they're so drawn to him in the first place is because they're at a low point where they feel starved for some intimacy, and he comes along and provides it. Or at least he does in Maya's case. He's there for her, shows her kindness, warmth, affection, and it's how she attaches to him, whereas Josy just lusted over him without ever speaking to him. But still, they both, in their own ways, attached to him because the separation and secrecy causing relationship stress made them project their need for intimacy onto someone else and now it's messing with their minds because they don't know what it all means.

In the long term if it's just the 2 of them, who knows if it works out, but it's always worth a shot. Issues and differences can always be ironed out and people can grow better in a relationship with and for their partners. The question is whether the issues and differences can be overcome and how much fight, endurance, and belief they have to do so.