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Josy's dream was to join a sorority and the hots are the only way to do that so Maya is asking her to give that dream up. Josy has always been supportive of Maya heck she the reason with help of others that the loan is taken care of. Why is it up to Josy to be the good girlfriend she should be able to say no I want to join the hots you don't have to but I am. I get being introvert i'm very introverted myself but this isn't Maya being a introvert it her trying to control Josy total Patrick move if you ask me
Imo, Josy lacked tact and a lot of awareness there. For as much as she supports and loves Maya, that was not the time to say she still wants to join the sorority. Maya's already feeling despondent about what happened, feeling like the HOTs played them both for fools, and then she feels like Josy isn't standing with her. That would hurt anyone to feel like their partner's not with them and so Maya just had an emotional outburst there. It wasn't about trying to control her, it's simply that she felt like Josy didn't have her back and was hurt that it felt like Josy was choosing people she believed humiliated them over her.
 
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Maya and Josy were never right for each other.
How? Like you say, we know next to nothing about their relationship before the MC or what they can be like alone in private, but I think it's stretch to say they're no right for each other. From what I've seen, when they're together in those good moments, there's a clear bond between them and they bounce off and compliment each other well. Their connection, to me, does seem strong, they just often have problems communicating how they're feeling and since they're still only 19, I'd say that comes with their age.
 

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What the game shows is 2 people caught between the love they feel for each other and being in a difficult spot in their relationship because of outside forces that they can either overcome or succumb to. If they didn't love each other and knew it, then they'd split, easy as that. The fact they don't and what they say in the game shows that they do love each other and that's what makes it so difficult to know what to do because as much as they don't want to lose each other, they also don't want to be in this stressful situation where they can't relax and be open with each other because of Patrick.

If the breakup does happen, it won't be for lack of love, it will be because one or both simply can't deal with the difficulties anymore.



Not saying no break up happens, just saying that I believe you're wrong on your perception of their relationship and that it isn't backed up by what the game is actually showing us. It clearly shows the girls are conflicted when off path and you don't feel that way if there's no love anymore, you feel that because there is and it makes it difficult to know what to do; either stick with your love and hope things can get better, or jump ship, hurt yourself and them, and hope that there's a better prospect out there. That's where they're both at right now, and that's the truth.
I'm not trying to fight so hope it don't sound like that, we have different points of view. I think it clear they don't love each other and will break up but maybe ep11 will either confirm it or show that i'm wrong. If ep11 ends with a Josy and Maya 3some and everything good with them I would have to rethink a lot of things
 
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Sorry to cut in the discussion, but when has Maya supported Josy? I see you and others shitting on Josy for that instance. But overall, l only see care and support from Josy to Maya and not the other way around. With Maya being to self-centered in her own issues. And like I wrote in another post> Maya problem has been going on for a while, and in all that time you have Josy having to put up with Maya's "stressed-out attitude".
That aside, Josy IS indeed better than Maya. With the latter having lied and acting hypocritical at times.
Don't want to type a wall of text again, I already said my opinion multiple times, so I get you
This
And this
Aaaand this

I don't have a simp bias to Maya, my favs are from another leagues :)
 
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Josy's dream was to join a sorority and the hots are the only way to do that so Maya is asking her to give that dream up. Josy has always been supportive of Maya heck she the reason with help of others that the loan is taken care of. Why is it up to Josy to be the good girlfriend she should be able to say no I want to join the hots you don't have to but I am. I get being introvert i'm very introverted myself but this isn't Maya being a introvert it her trying to control Josy total Patrick move if you ask me
Again, it was a misunderstanding because of Quinn bullshit. Maya was thinking on stress and adrenaline, Josy didn't support her in that moment. That's all in that situation. It's not that deep that Maya wanted to ruin everything for Josy.
 
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Imo, Josy lacked tact and a lot of awareness there. For as much as she supports and loves Maya, that was not the time to say she still wants to join the sorority. Maya's already feeling despondent about what happened, feeling like the HOTs played them both for fools, and then she feels like Josy isn't standing with her. That would hurt anyone to feel like their partner's not with them and so Maya just had an emotional outburst there. It wasn't about trying to control her, it's simply that she felt like Josy didn't have her back and was hurt that it felt like Josy was choosing people she believed humiliated them over her.
That was the only chose there thought Josy had no other chose but to join the hots. To me it up to Maya to meet Josy haft way there. Maya is in the wrong here I get it she upset but Josy can't stay in Maya's room with patrick having a key and she can't always sleep in mc bed(sadly) Joining the Hot is the best thing Josy can do and it actually helps Maya
 
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Sorry to cut in the discussion, but when has Maya supported Josy? I see you and others shitting on Josy for that instance. But overall, l only see care and support from Josy to Maya and not the other way around. With Maya being to self-centered in her own issues. And like I wrote in another post> Maya problem has been going on for a while, and in all that time you have Josy having to put up with Maya's "stressed-out attitude".
That aside, Josy IS indeed better than Maya. With the latter having lied and acting hypocritical at times.
The thing about Josy is that she's a bit of a closed book in the sense that she has her issues but isn't letting anyone really know about them. She's a people pleaser girl and put on airs like everything is fine and OK with her. So unless and until she starts letting people know and see that she's not, what is there for people to think they need to support? If she's telling everyone that everything is fine with her and focusing her energies on others, then what can other people really do that goes beyond simply spending time with them if they don't know more and she won't let them in?
 

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Again, it was a misunderstanding because of Quinn bullshit. Maya was thinking on stress and adrenaline, Josy didn't support her in that moment. That's all in that situation. It's not that deep that Maya wanted to ruin everything for Josy.
That don't make it ok for Maya to try to control Josy. Maya had bad information that she fail for, Josy is the one not being support not Maya. Josy shouldn't have to take the hit for Maya being dumb
 
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Oh my god a Josy vs Maya debate!!

I miss a couple of days and things get heated! :KappaPride:

Since early on (1st and second playthrough) I decided I wouldn't care about either I really have no horse in this race, but...

Maya has a bit of a Borderline personality disorder, Josy on the other hand a bit histrionic, one is always unsure and looking for support, the other superficially outspoken and sexually "aggressive", but ultimately also herself very unsure.

A couple made in heaven, that's why after originally getting pissed by how they both treated my Tremolo, and how poorly he was allowed to react, I decided they are better, actually worse, off together, with Tremolo instead chasing Bella (or any other LI worth chasing).

As you can see I managed not to mention Maya's big head! :KEK:
 
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Thing is, without this relationship drama, the "main plot" of Quinn and all that stuff is still chugging along and isn't really affected by that. If there was no JM relationship, Josy would be the easiest girl in the whole but Maya would still have the abusive, controlling Dad and teminally ill Mom at home. The controlling aspect over her orientation wouldn't be there, sure, but it would be under the surface, and she'd still have a more things going than Josy.
Well yes and no, and Im making some assumptions here based on theories alone. mainly because as yet, we don't know the state of Quinns restaurant, but, without Maya (who Quinn totally misread and thought she was a dead cert to join the restaurant) would she have slowed down her massive expansion idea given its one less guaranteed income coming in? Doubtful as it seems those plans were already in motion so yes the drugs plot probably goes on. But by the time we get to the Priscilla we need to talk followed by Quinn storming out of the office, without Maya going to Burke that scene doesn't happen, and again I'm assuming the restaurant is closing cause of that, but with it staying open Quinn still has access to some of her funds to keep treading the water... the journey may be the same, overall, but the destination and outcome is very different.

As I said, Josy is needed to be in a relationship with Maya, so that Maya's Dad gives her the ultimatum, which makes Maya want to join the hots, which potentially causes Quinn to get bigger ideas, which all falls through, which causes her to go to burke, which potentially identifies that the restaurant is too big, which causes them to steal the contract. without the JM relationship, yeah there may be still some drama there in the back but it certainly doesn't get driven along in the same pace or direction as before.

More like obsessed than in love, imo.
Hmmm I only said practically in love. I can get behind obsessed though.

Oh, Josy's definitely the key component to Maya's drama because if not in this relationship, Maya doesn't have the ultimatum. It's Maya's and Josy's wish to want to find a way out of the predicament they're in that then becomes both of their stories.
BIngo, and hence that for all intents and purposes is Josy role in the story. Once she arrives at B&R she gets practically no story at all and is just used to push the need for maya to get out of her prediciment.

How? Like you say, we know next to nothing about their relationship before the MC or what they can be like alone in private, but I think it's stretch to say they're no right for each other. From what I've seen, when they're together in those good moments, there's a clear bond between them and they bounce off and compliment each other well. Their connection, to me, does seem strong, they just often have problems communicating how they're feeling and since they're still only 19, I'd say that comes with their age.
Right it might be a stretch to say they were never right for each other, because yes you are right there, other than the flashback we don't really know anything. Was it just a summer fling two girls took too far? Who knows? But what we do know is that a boy, the same boy no less, came between them very easily and yes the relationship can go without them. But even still, Josy is still pining after the MC, putting her selfish wants above that of the couple

Josy is a very selfish, self-centred, childish, immature person. Maya on the other hand she doesn't know how to handle these traits, she gets very defensive, some would say toxic, but thanks to dealing with her mother has somewhat maturity to her so can self-reflect and can admit when she is wrong and her character gets stronger as the game goes on....

SO yes you may be right to call it a stretch, maybe it would be better to say they don't work together, They may have, but once MC enters their life... its a different ball game.
 

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If ep11 ends with a Josy and Maya 3some and everything good with them I would have to rethink a lot of things
Well, we already know there's a threesome so you're already halfway there to having your own paradigm shift ;)

That was the only chose there thought Josy had no other chose but to join the hots. To me it up to Maya to meet Josy haft way there. Maya is in the wrong here I get it she upset but Josy can't stay in Maya's room with patrick having a key and she can't always sleep in mc bed(sadly) Joining the Hot is the best thing Josy can do and it actually helps Maya
When Josy still expressed her interest in still being a HOT, this was before they knew Patrick was there and before Josy needed somewhere else to stay. It became a means to an end later which Maya accepts, but in the heat of the moment immediately after feelings humiliated, Josy expressing that interest wasn't tactful even if it she was caught off guard and she was expressing herself genuinely. You can even tell she's cagey about saying this because I think deep down she knows this is bad saying this given what's just happened.

That don't make it ok for Maya to try to control Josy. Maya had bad information that she fail for, Josy is the one not being support not Maya. Josy shouldn't have to take the hit for Maya being dumb
Again, not about control, just that it hurts her to hear that her gf still wants to be part of the group that she feels played a cruel prank on them. Anyone in her situation would feel that way in that immediate moment when things are still raw.
 

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I take with solution, DW, that will end all debates.
Nuke Maya/Josy relationships. They should break up.
What? :oops:
Hell no. Josy belongs to Maya. :cautious:
Yes. Absolutely.
Just like Jill belongs to Tybalt, Bella belongs to James, and Sage belongs to Chad... :WeSmart:
And, well, out of pure mercy, Divine Quinn will take the peasant. :rolleyes:
He can't be left unattended. :whistle:
 

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But by the time we get to the Priscilla we need to talk followed by Quinn storming out of the office, without Maya going to Burke that scene doesn't happen, and again I'm assuming the restaurant is closing cause of that, but with it staying open Quinn still has access to some of her funds to keep treading the water... the journey may be the same, overall, but the destination and outcome is very different.
First of all, I don't think Burke is stopping the restaurant, I just think he gave Quinn some kind of slap on the wrist and a warning about the rumour and whatever he said or threatened her with has made her feel like those walls are closing in a bit. Maybe he's already holding something over head which is why she does this for him and he threatened her with that.

As for the thing with Maya causing that meeting, even without that, Rio still gets taken because that's unconnected to the restaurant stuff and that's probably the biggest thing that will bring this all crashing down. So even that Burke meeting isn't necessarily a big deal for main plot stuff.

Was it just a summer fling two girls took too far?
Well, we know they were friends before that, likely for a few years, so taking that next step probably comes with a lot of history and knowing each other very closely already. So it's not like they knew nothing of each other when they started this relationship, and that's where I think the connection comes from.

SO yes you may be right to call it a stretch, maybe it would be better to say they don't work together
I feel like they probably worked before Patrick found out, but this has now been sent to test them and how they deal with adversity. That's why I think that, if given the chance to be openly together without him hanging over them, they have a chance to get back to that.
 

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Well, we already know there's a threesome so you're already halfway there to having your own paradigm shift ;)



When Josy still expressed her interest in still being a HOT, this was before they knew Patrick was there and before Josy needed somewhere else to stay. It became a means to an end later which Maya accepts, but in the heat of the moment immediately after feelings humiliated, Josy expressing that interest wasn't tactful even if it she was caught off guard and she was expressing herself genuinely. You can even tell she's cagey about saying this because I think deep down she knows this is bad saying this given what's just happened.



Again, not about control, just that it hurts her to hear that her gf still wants to be part of the group that she feels played a cruel prank on them. Anyone in her situation would feel that way in that immediate moment when things are still raw.
We know there a 3some just not when it happens a earlier 3some works better for my chances I will admit
Josy express her interest in joing the Hots one second before they knew Patrick was there. Maya might be hurt but she still trying to control Josy out of that hurt and that is wrong
 
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