VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[KАRАMBA]

Sage is too good to date Tremolo.

You're absolutely right. And there's nothing to add.
Sage doesn't need this peasant. She'll find someone better.
This peasant must belong to someone else...
And solely out of her boundless mercy and kindness, the Divine Quinn will take care of this unworthy but lucky asshole.
He will be blessed with the unearthly happiness of serving and pleasing the Diamond of the Universe, the Goddess of Goddesses, the Divine Quinn, all his life.
It is impossible to imagine greater happiness.
And yes, I dedicate this work to my beloved brothers, the followers of Divine Quinn.
May she be glorified forever and ever.

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[Roger-a-Dale]

And another thing, I've seen some people, mostly from the Reddit, have takes before Ep 10 that he was homophobic with people thinking it cam from being a diehard religious nut, but then after Ep 10 they're like, "Oh, it's not religion or homophobia, he just wants her to have grandkids to make Helen happy". Meanwhile I'm like, "So does he not know there's such things as adoption, surrogacy, and IVF?". Because if he does know and is still like this, then either he's fully caught religion to the extreme and believes being gay is a sin and the only right way to have a child is for her to have sex with a man, or he's not that much of a religious nut but just doesn't like gay people. Either way, I think it's still homophobia and nothing to do with him focusing on one specific part of her dying wish, and even if he was, he's doing a bad job of that.

Yeah, his crimes have definitely piled up beyond saving. Even if he started from a desire to make his wife happy, he still resorted to abuse and it has reached a point where he can never be forgiven. Reached it, zoomed past it and left it far behind. But the person he seemed to be before the ep 10 insight was 100% bad. 93% bad is better than that, but still beyond forgiveness.

The difference is that this Patrick might stop making things worse, but the other would have gleefully kept going until death.

But yeah some fans are too forgiving with him.

 

[mike12013]

Your comments also add to my thoughts: Sage is too good to date Tremolo. I understand that this is a porn game and I'm digging too deep in the sense of "would such a girl date him?" Because the guy is very emotionally immature in many ways, especially in relationships, has retard quirks, is too suspicious (reboud doubts moment again). And here the game loses its immersion, giving itself over to the "college boy wet fantasy" trope.

At the same time, the emotional development she's shown is due to Tremolo, how would she have processed the breakup, she wouldn't have known he was gay, she would've likely bottled everything up and gone completely scorched earth on Sarah/Mel. She said herself, Tremolo is the first person who's cared for her, and that's whats made her lo... like him.

I think Maya's Ep10 hangout sums it up perfect, "you're flawed but you were perfect for me". He provided an outlet for her emotions, he cared for her, he helped her process a breakup and so on, then add in she thinks he's hot, great in bed, etc

And while she has her own emotional hangups due to family and childhood and so on, so does Tremolo, he was bullied which would lead to confidence issues, his first love left him for a new life, a girl he's had a crush on for months is with his new fling. I wouldn't blame him for being insecure and suspicious, I've had much tamer romantic interactions in real life that have left me more scarred than Tremolo shows in game.

I think there's a host of potential issues with Tremolo and Sage, family, she's a senior so unless he stays to do a masters it will make it hard to see eachother, a bunch of stuff depending on the actions of MC, but I can certainly see reasons for their being an emotional, and romantic connection between Tremolo and Sage

 

[noctarima]

This is basically S3 Maya in a nutshell. Why DPC why???

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

You're absolutely right. And there's nothing to add.
Sage doesn't need this peasant. She'll find someone better.
This peasant must belong to someone else...
And solely out of her boundless mercy and kindness, the Divine Quinn will take care of this unworthy but lucky asshole.
He will be blessed with the unearthly happiness of serving and pleasing the Diamond of the Universe, the Goddess of Goddesses, the Divine Quinn, all his life.
It is impossible to imagine greater happiness.
And yes, I dedicate this work to my beloved brothers, the followers of Divine Quinn.
May she be glorified forever and ever.

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Really great work with a video. That's much better using talent than doing a theater of crooked mirrors with characters.

At the same time, the emotional development she's shown is due to Tremolo, how would she have processed the breakup, she wouldn't have known he was gay, she would've likely bottled everything up and gone completely scorched earth on Sarah/Mel. She said herself, Tremolo is the first person who's cared for her, and that's whats made her lo... like him.

I think Maya's Ep10 hangout sums it up perfect, "you're flawed but you were perfect for me". He provided an outlet for her emotions, he cared for her, he helped her process a breakup and so on, then add in she thinks he's hot, great in bed, etc

And while she has her own emotional hangups due to family and childhood and so on, so does Tremolo, he was bullied which would lead to confidence issues, his first love left him for a new life, a girl he's had a crush on for months is with his new fling. I wouldn't blame him for being insecure and suspicious, I've had much tamer romantic interactions in real life that have left me more scarred than Tremolo shows in game.

I think there's a host of potential issues with Tremolo and Sage, family, she's a senior so unless he stays to do a masters it will make it hard to see eachother, a bunch of stuff depending on the actions of MC, but I can certainly see reasons for their being an emotional, and romantic connection between Tremolo and Sage

Of course, I and many here look at Tremolo from the prism of an older age and emotional stability, the growing up that we have already gone through, maybe it is true that we are a little biased.

The emotional play and the growth of connection and trust between Sage and MC is a great part, we see their relationship gradually build throughout the game. It's a pleasure to watch.

 

[Allenebs]

Good summary overall. Couple of things though...

We don't really see Josy interact much with the other HOTs prior to the evaluation night in Ep 6. That's not to say it doesn't happen off-screen, but what we're presented with is her not having much interaction with them before then, so her wanting to still join doesn't come from a different and more positive experience interacting with the HOTs, she just wants to join because it is, to her, a key part of the "college experience". It's after that point that Josy has this positive outlook on the girls and sorority from having spent time with them and she tells Maya this which helps to bring her around to joining.


If Maya's issue has a resolution to it where Patrick can do nothing to her, I don't think she'd be afraid to come out. The latter though, if the problem persists, is probably more likely how a break occurs.


Honestly, I don't buy the notion that Patrick's only like this because of Helen's dying wish. There's other ways to have grandkids, like IVF, surrogacy, and adoption, and surely he's not unaware of those things. Dude's also not totally religious so it's not that either since he only does it for Helen's sake. So that and things he's said to and of Maya make me think he's just homophobic and that's a harder issue to resolve.



I've only ever revealed the Jade video on a DIK Others run even though it's not the only path where I do her. Always knew it would come back to bite him, but my DIK Others is basically a trainwreck path so I don't mind it getting out there



It's one small step for horny fan headcanon, one giant leap for likelihood to actually happen

The Maya x Josy relationship is already over, those two are just too naive to admit it. They're actively hurting each other between very brief sexual reprieves.

Lets be real, Maya is willing to screw over her own family and friends w/o posing any resistance just bc she feels entitled to something most of her other friends don't have access to. She doesn't "deserve" for her father to pay her way. She doesn't deserve for the HOT's to pay her way. Hell, she hasn't even tried any alternatives that anyone else would have to. Something like, oh idk, a job? Her behavior is actively reinforcing her parents beliefs in her own head, which is the worst possible outcome for someone who is ashamed of who they are. And she is VERY ashamed of who she is. There is no reason for her to continue to try to hide her sexuality, as too many people already know for it to remain a secret. And while her father carries that shame torch, her mother would have baked that into her from a very young age. That's why she lies about pretty much every damn thing. Maya is by far the most flawed LI, which is likely why DPC gives us a long introduction to her before we have an opportunity to get to know any of the others. Rio and Quinn are less fucked in the head than she is, and some of the ways they're fucked in the head could be seen as beneficial in some relationships. And the worst part of Maya is she's repeatedly confronted by it and never makes any effort to change. Most of the time, she can't even be bothered to TRY to communicate.

Worrying about grandchildren isn't even realistic here. Her mom is the type of person who would have been protesting the existence of these options in the 90s and 00s. She, and thus Maya's father, won't be willing to accept what they'd see as a test tube baby or some kid that isn't biologically related. Hell, they wouldn't even accept a throuple where the MC is the father bc they'd view that relationship as even more problematic than just Maya and Josy. Maya's only path to acceptance is to grow the fuck up and find success and happiness on her own terms. Prove to them that such is achievable and that they can either accept her or gtfo. Yet everything she does only serves to further reinforce that they're right, which is why she always put on a mask and stabs everyone in the back. She doesn't even believe she can find success or happiness in being herself.

Josy, on the other hand, at least attempts to communicate. She falls into the mien with most of the other females. Which is to say she has behaviors that pose a problem for any relationship, but its not shame ingrained into her from birth that will take a lifetime to unravel. Best case for herself is that she learns from the relationship with Maya and grows as a person. And moves on before her relationship with Maya can cause any further damage.

Any time I start a new run, it's hard not to pursue their path. And the fact that Maya shows no signs of growing up, only showing the contrary, it's hard not to immediately change my mind. Hopefully, DPC either allows them to break up or allows the player to break them up in the the next update. Something HAS to force Maya to grow up, and hopefully before she drags anyone else down with her. The worst case would be for Derrick to drop out and lie for her, using the payments intended for him to pay for Maya's tuition. And he's dumb and loyal enough to do just that, and Maya entitled enough to let it happen.

 

[KАRАMBA]

That's much better using talent than doing a theater of crooked mirrors with characters.

The theater of crooked mirrors is fun.

 

[mike12013]

Really great work with a video. That's much better using talent than doing a theater of crooked mirrors with characters.

Of course, I and many here look at Tremolo from the prism of an older age and emotional stability, the growing up that we have already gone through, maybe it is true that we are a little biased.

The emotional play and the growth of connection and trust between Sage and MC is a great part, we see their relationship gradually build throughout the game. It's a pleasure to watch.

Yeah the perspective of age and experience is always a factor

I'm a few years older than MC, but I'm still considered a young(ish) adult, so maybe i find it a bit easier to look past Tremolo's obvious flaws

 

[Lagunavii]

The emotional play and the growth of connection and trust between Sage and MC is a great part, we see their relationship gradually build throughout the game. It's a pleasure to watch.

Sage's story, to me is the one that develops most naturally and more realistic than any of the others path. I love it

 

[mike12013]

Sage's story, to me is the one that develops most naturally and more realistic than any of the others path. I love it

It's why she was my first choice on my first blind playthrough, I had all routes open, but I was like Isabella wouldn't work long term, Jill is lovely but I felt her and MC were too different with too many obstacles in the way, and the throuple just isn't a long term way to play, and while I liked the both of them, I just preferred the story that Sage's path told

Over more playthroughs, I've decided that I prefer Maya to Josy, just, but for me each time I do a Sage playthrough, there's a bit of dialogue, or an action, or a look that I missed before or didn't think about. Even stuff like Sage wanting to hold his hand at the Hot House when they're watching the movie, obviously i've seen it a ton of times, but i just never processed that she was the one who made the first move in terms of romantic intimacy.

Romantic might be the wrong word, it could just be showing support

 

[John Ness]

This peasant must belong to someone else...
And solely out of her boundless mercy and kindness, the Divine Quinn will take care of this unworthy but lucky asshole.

Well, if you think it's good idea to belong to a pimp

 

[Lagunavii]

It's why she was my first choice on my first blind playthrough, I had all routes open, but I was like Isabella wouldn't work long term, Jill is lovely but I felt her and MC were too different with too many obstacles in the way, and the throuple just isn't a long term way to play, and while I liked the both of them, I just preferred the story that Sage's path told

Bella is my main girl like, but even I know really that the relationship develops too fast. Its like DPC just needed all the paths to be at the same point by chapter 8 so forced the issue. The relationship between Jill happens again fast and sometimes I question MC's moties in that relationship. But I do get you, Jill does seem to be a bit naive there too, I can see her clashing with MC a lot.

Over more playthroughs, I've decided that I prefer Maya to Josy

Ahhhh the Thruple path. My favourite, all though I do like the way Maya seems to grow there. Josy is just well, a bit self centred and sometimes not a nice person. all three of them do seem to work well though and bring out the best in each other,

 

[yossa999]

You're absolutely right. And there's nothing to add.
Sage doesn't need this peasant. She'll find someone better.
This peasant must belong to someone else...
And solely out of her boundless mercy and kindness, the Divine Quinn will take care of this unworthy but lucky asshole.
He will be blessed with the unearthly happiness of serving and pleasing the Diamond of the Universe, the Goddess of Goddesses, the Divine Quinn, all his life.
It is impossible to imagine greater happiness.
And yes, I dedicate this work to my beloved brothers, the followers of Divine Quinn.
May she be glorified forever and ever.

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Even though I'm not, let's say, a big fan of both subjects, Quinn and the AI animation, I have to admit, it's very well done. Maybe even great. Kudos.

 

[jimbro]

... Maya shows no signs of growing up, only showing the contrary, it's hard not to immediately change my mind. Hopefully, DPC either allows them to break up or allows the player to break them up in the the next update. Something HAS to force Maya to grow up, and hopefully before she drags anyone else down with her. The worst case would be for Derrick to drop out and lie for her, using the payments intended for him to pay for Maya's tuition. And he's dumb and loyal enough to do just that, and Maya entitled enough to let it happen.

rant
Maya has such a cunt energy. Selfish, energy vampire. You can rent her to end parties. You know that girl that gets drunk and cries at every party ? I think Josy would dump her if she could put her on suicide watch.

I just wish Patrick kicked her out of the house instead of this stupid plot. But I would say he just want her to be normal, as she clearly is not. She is type of person to pretend to be gay just to avoid having a family and responsibility. The type to go to college go into debt for gender studies major so she can blame the world for not having a job while she has a "degree".
She is type of person that would sue her parents for wanting to kick her out of their basement when she is 40 and has 2 dogs and a cat. She is a walking red flag, perfect for guys with knight in shining armor syndrome.
/rant

 

[mike12013]

She is type of person to pretend to be gay just to avoid having a family and responsibility

Despite everything that you said being just flat out wrong, you didn't have to say anything more than this. What you have said here summarises your beliefs and the crux of your issue with Maya. Grow up.

Bella is my main girl like, but even I know really that the relationship develops too fast. Its like DPC just needed all the paths to be at the same point by chapter 8 so forced the issue. The relationship between Jill happens again fast and sometimes I question MC's moties in that relationship. But I do get you, Jill does seem to be a bit naive there too, I can see her clashing with MC a lot.


Ahhhh the Thruple path. My favourite, all though I do like the way Maya seems to grow there. Josy is just well, a bit self centred and sometimes not a nice person. all three of them do seem to work well though and bring out the best in each other,

I like all the girls in the game, I can find things I like about all of them, and its not to say I dislike Josy or Jill, but in terms of a game that is so heavy on character development, Josy hasn't had a lot (Though Episode 10 changed a lot of that) and Jill is so caring and sweet, but I just never clicked with her. My favourite scenes in the game are the more romantic and intimate scenes and I don't think Jill has too many of them, some of them I do like, the car ride with MC on her date/hangout especially.

For me, its a shame that Maya and Josy's best growth as characters come if you leave the throuple in Episode 8. You realise just how hurt Josy is, I wouldn't go as far to say selfish, but she wears her heart on her sleeve and I think she can be a bit naive, or inconsiderate of others feelings, and then you see how mature and caring Maya is. Maya's character growth has been very good, especially on the throuple, even just going from the Dorm Party where she didn't want to kiss MC in public, to not caring, then running off and fucking in the classroom to her antics in Episode 9 and 10 on the throuple path. It shows how MC has made her feel more carefree and comfortable in herself. I was reading one of Geralt From Rivia's posts about it after Episode 10 came out earlier, if you can find it, it was great

 

[TheNowhereWolf]

Finished chapter 10, finally caught up. First run through of season 3 so far was my Bella route, I may need to go through again to change some choices made waaay earlier to line up more with my other routes. We still haven't got a whole lot about her backstory yet but I love how she has been opening up more, hopefully getting closer to progressing more with the James stuff now she's opened up more, she's still my favorite LI but Sage Is coming close to being tied for best girl.

Sage as I said has shot right up to being damn near tied for first with Bella for me, It's been said before but her route feels very natural in progression. Going from MC sort of being just a way for her to get the truth about Chad to friends and on her route more. The wholesome moments with her are great as well and she gets bonus points for being a redhead. I also get a sick sense of satisfaction knowing the MC could torment Tyballs for the rest of his life if he's with Sage.

With Bella and Sage being basically tied first and the only other route I am doing being Jill's, she would I guess be default second place, I do really like the relationship between her and MC as well. Helping her with her recital Is one my favorite moments in the game, sure you can do It on any route but when on her route It just hits different. I still need to continue her route in season 3 though to judge how It compares.

I do like Zoey a little more but I feel like she's come in too late for me to want to do a run through for her. Honestly thought It could have been cool to have her and Jacob get together but that seems to have been shut down. And on the story stuff I'm hoping we're not going to get inane arguments about MC being the one who planted the camera, would be nice If they could just rationally think things through so they can focus on finding who It actually was.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Sage's story, to me is the one that develops most naturally and more realistic than any of the others path. I love it

My personal rate of writing quality for each path, main girl paths only:
1. Sage
2. Bella
3. Maya/Josy
4. Jill

 

[Allenebs]

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This is basically S3 Maya in a nutshell. Why DPC why???

It's simply her avatar visually representing her character growth imo. You could even argue that its bc the MC sees her in a new, uglier light after what she does to him. Even if you, the player, see her in a different light. I fully agree, but DPC bait and switches the MC with her. This is a chick that's willing to stab her new friend/boyfriend in the back for an opportunity that is clearly a fairytale. She goes from being a very kind, sweet character on the surface to lying or omitting everything especially if it would impact the decisions of others in a remotely negative way.

Maya's changes are made even more stark in contrast by the fact that several other models actually improved at the time hers got so much worse. In literature such shifts, though non-visual, are pretty damn common. The author starts with a deep passion for a specific character, but then moves on to characters they connect with better. And while Maya starts off pretty perfect, her character does things that would instantly kill many relationships. Repeatedly. After all, Maya is the one character, that no matter your decisions, behaves in manner that most people would consider cheating.