VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[name88 - King of Hearts]

After first preview pic of HOTs when we couldn't see the girl between Quinn and Camila I said that Camila may have Mona on the left and probably Ashley on the right and added few reasons why did I think so. All I got was an arrogant response by ...



And the facepalm by ...


So thank you guys for your responses. You know I can admit my mistake when it happens (so I don't really care about any facepalms if you don't prove me wrong) I just wanted to contribute some my thoughts to the recurring discussion you have here during waiting for the next update but sometimes it's difficult for newcomers to integrate into your group. I like this thread and a lot of you guys have interesting comments about the game and I respect everyone's opinions if at least it makes a little sense no matter if this person has 20 likes or 15k likes.
Anyway, thank you Kingvlad for the preview pic

I still see only Quinn in that pic but nonetheless,hope you will feel more welcome in the future in here

Saying half truths is not lying, but it's not being honest either, as she promised she would be.

Is deception a form of lying?
Is half truth a form of deception?
Personally,I would say that white lie is still a lie

If my memory doesn`t fail me I think Maya did not promised to be honest - she just made MC promise that he will be

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

I still see only Quinn in that pic but nonetheless,hope you will feel more welcome in the future in here


Is deception a form of lying?
Is half truth a form of deception?
Personally,I would say that white lie is still a lie

If my memory doesn`t fail me I think Maya did not promised to be honest - she just made MC promise that he will be

Yeah, I think so too about white lies.

At some point she said something like "Well, 99%" but it's true that it feels more one sided.

 

[SAMASH112]

Saying half truths is not lying, but it's not being honest either, as she promised she would be.

Hiding the truth and then saying it is like telling the half truth or telling part of the lie being the truth when I was really looking to tell the lie ... I mean .. I don't know if I explain myself

 

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[ZeroTao]

That is a classic case of nitpicking. Inviting the MC to spend the night was exactly the same as inviting him to stay and have sex. This isn't some drunken make out session that escalated without their realising it.
She invited him to stay the night, led him to her parents bed where she stripped down to her underwear before joining him. I live in a conservative country and even here that's a fairly blatant invitation to sexual intercourse.

Might be most of the time doesnt mean its always the same thing. And it also just showed what happen during dinner and then when they were sitting on the couch not what happened in between. You dont know if they had more to drink. You make the assumption of them only having 1 glass of wine and that was it. You dont think that they mightve sit at the table drinking more wine and talk about other things before getting cozy on the couch. Also im stating facts. Your assumption is she proposed sex when it is a fact she did not proposed sex. She proposed that he stay the night there was no mentioning of sex anywhere in the context. THAT IS A GIVEN FACT. Also every time you have dinner with a girl and a bottle of wine it never ends with just one glass of wine, it always ends with a bottle or two sometimes 3 finished. Unless of course the date goes badly and the girl wants you out, even still it dont end with just one glass. Even with a couple living in the same house sleeping in the same bed and they have a lovely dinner together it still doesnt end with just 1 glass of wine. A date always ends with more alcohol in their system whether its good or bad.

 

[ZeroTao]

Saying half truths is not lying, but it's not being honest either, as she promised she would be.

When she said she didnt have a boyfriend, that wasnt half truth. that was the truth. She did not have a boyfriend. the half truth is she didnt have a boyfriend but have a girlfriend. She just wasnt open and honest by saying she had a girlfriend since she did not promise to be 100% honest and open with MC.

 

[Blablablafapper]

When she said she didnt have a boyfriend, that wasnt half truth. that was the truth. She did not have a boyfriend. the half truth is she didnt have a boyfriend but have a girlfriend. She just wasnt open and honest by saying she had a girlfriend since she did not promise to be 100% honest and open with MC.

Honesty goes both ways. She doesn't like if you lie about the date with Josy (you lose a relationship point) but has no problem feeding us lies and half truths. It's exactly why MC feels it's hard to trust Maya after Episode 3's cliff hanger.

 

[name88 - King of Hearts]

And it also just showed what happen during dinner and then when they were sitting on the couch not what happened in between. You dont know if they had more to drink. You make the assumption of them only having 1 glass of wine and that was it. You dont think that they mightve sit at the table drinking more wine and talk about other things before getting cozy on the couch.

Also im stating facts.

Actualy the fact is we are being shown them having a glass of wine - that is a fact,you on the other hand are writing the story for DPC,different story than one being shown,in other words making assumptions

She proposed that he stay the night there was no mentioning of sex anywhere in the context.

Every human male who ever made contact with a human female would know exactly how to read the context of that invitation.

THAT IS A GIVEN FACT.

Just because you say something is a fact,is not gonna magically turn it into a FACT

Also every time you have dinner with a girl and a bottle of wine it never ends with just one glass of wine, it always ends with a bottle or two sometimes 3 finished. Unless of course the date goes badly and the girl wants you out, even still it dont end with just one glass. Even with a couple living in the same house sleeping in the same bed and they have a lovely dinner together it still doesnt end with just 1 glass of wine. A date always ends with more alcohol in their system whether its good or bad.

Is that also scientifically proven,hard fact or just a series of assumptions?

 

[Gods]

Honesty goes both ways. She doesn't like if you lie about the date with Josy (you lose a relationship point) but has no problem feeding us lies and half truths. It's exactly why MC feels it's hard to trust Maya after Episode 3's cliff hanger.

Maybe your MC not mine not without the explaination of that cliff hanger.

 

[Blablablafapper]

Well for one she wouldn't be aware of the MC going after other girls Bella and Jill being his other interests, for now, Quinn only thinks his only interest is with Maya and maybe Sage but she is sure as hell not going to risk the wraith of Sage.

Quinn knows about Josy, Walks in on Sage giving MC a titjob and walks past Bella's chat with MC at the cafeteria. It just so happens that people catching MC with different girls is the same person... repeatedly. Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

[Blablablafapper]

Maybe your MC not mine not without the explaination of that cliff hanger.

Read the final line for Maya's overview at the end of episode 3 and tell me what it says.

 

[-JuNioR-]

Its a fact not a defense. she wasnt 100% open and upfront, but she did not lie when she said she didnt have a BF. Difference between stating facts and defending. I just stated the fact that she did not lie twice when she was talking about having and not having a boyfriend. Making assumptions of something that doesnt exist just make you look foolish

A half-truth is still a lie because it includes a deceptive statement that misrepresents the truth. Maya said that she has a boyfriend which is a lie and she admitted this to the MC and also said it's her way to avoid guys attention (Maya: It may sound weird... but that's the only way that seems to work).
And we know that the best lies contain an element of truth.
I'm a fan of Maya but you have to admit that she indeed lied to the MC.
That doesn't mean that I don't respect her reasons to do so.

 

[Ennoch]

Thats not Sage on a pole.. thats Sage spreading her butt for a pole! Which is fitting. Not the pole. Uhm.. not that pole i guess?

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Read the final line for Maya's overview at the end of episode 3 and tell me what it says.

Damn you, you made me go check

But I noticed something else in the last scene MC says "100% remember?" to what Maya replies "... All right". So it seems that they both understand it's both ways too.

 

[Sleeping In Pieces]

So no camila's ass without Quinn.

What are you on about? No Camila's ass even with Quinn.
Quinn's instruction was only to let MC rub his dick on Camila's ass.
That it went into full on assfucking is something Camila doesn't really want Quiinn to know.

 

[ZeroTao]

A half-truth is still a lie because it includes a deceptive statement that misrepresents the truth. Maya said that she has a boyfriend which is a lie and she admitted this to the MC and also said it's her way to avoid guys attention (Maya: It may sound weird... but that's the only way that seems to work).
And we know that the best lies contain an element of truth.
I'm a fan of Maya but you have to admit that she indeed lied to the MC.
That doesn't mean that I don't respect her reasons to do so.

As i said she did not lie when she said she didnt have a boyfriend. That was the complete truth. The half truth at the end is she didnt have a boyfriend but a girlfriend which was seen at the end of episode 3.

Actualy the fact is we are being shown them having a glass of wine



Just because you say something is a fact,is not gonna magically turn it into a FACT


Is that also scientifically proven,hard fact or just a series of assumptions?

Yes its a fact that they showed one glass. but i wasnt making a fact about that. I also never said it wont end in sex. They said that she proposed sex. where it is a fact that she did not, she proposed to stay the night. I also said in a previous comment that it was up to MC to decide whether to go that route or not, and i said that alcohol was involved. That is where i was talking about the in between. Cause they went on as if no alcohol was involved. Also no one can "scientifically prove" since no 1 can see what happens in every single person's life. But it is a fact, that a date, especially if it is going great in the comfort of home, with a bottle of wine that it will not just end with one glass. Only time when the fact is not in effect is if it is someone that doesnt drink alcohol or cant afford it

 

[Ennoch]

I think Maya should be burned on a stake for not revealing her most intimate secrets to the dude whom she just met a couple of days ago , definitely after they played a game of "100% totes honesty" games i did the last time i was like.. 7 i guess

She is such a wicked person, should throw her in jail!! And when its done i go back stealing, fighting, fucking around anyone whom i'm not dating the meantime, cheating on tests when i was too busy drinking and visiting stripclubs to learn. Its good to be the moral conscience of this school.

 

[name88 - King of Hearts]

What are you on about? No Camila's ass even with Quinn.
Quinn's instruction was only to let MC rub his dick on Camila's ass.
That it went into full on assfucking is something Camila doesn't really want Quiinn to know.

If you don`t accept Quinn`s offer you don`t get a chance to go to that stall to meet with Camilla - hence no Quinn no Camilla`s ass.Just because Camilla turns out to be more daring than even Quinn suspected doesn`t change a thing
Oh Quinn already knows,I`m not keepin` anything from her

Yes its a fact that they showed one glass. but i wasnt making a fact about that. I also never said it wont end in sex. They said that she proposed sex. where it is a fact that she did not, she proposed to stay the night. I also said in a previous comment that it was up to MC to decide whether to go that route or not, and i said that alcohol was involved. That is where i was talking about the in between. Cause they went on as if no alcohol was involved. Also no one can "scientifically prove" since no 1 can see what happens in every single person's life. But it is a fact, that a date, especially if it is going great in the comfort of home, with a bottle of wine that it will not just end with one glass. Only time when the fact is not in effect is if it is someone that doesnt drink alcohol or cant afford it

Sometimes you have to look at the entire situation,not just the exact words that are being spoken,to fully understand what is going on.Just because Josy did not said word for word: "lets have sex" , doesn`t mean it wasn`t exactly what she meant

You tried to excuse Josy through alcohol,which,no,there wasn`t enough of it to make that excuse valid,especially given that initiation of that relationship aswell as continuation of it by Josy was done by her while perfectly sober.

Its ok to be wrong,happens to me aswell,happens to everyone just don`t be stubborn about it

 

[Mormont]

 

[ZeroTao]

If you don`t accept Quinn`s offer you don`t get a chance to go to that stall to meet with Camilla - hence no Quinn no Camilla`s ass.Just because Camilla turns out to be more daring than even Quinn suspected doesn`t change a thing
Oh Quinn already knows,I`m not keepin` anything from her



Sometimes you have to look at the entire situation,not just the exact words that are being spoken,to fully understand what is going on.Just because Josy did not said word for word: "lets have sex" , doesn`t mean it wasn`t exactly what she meant

You tried to excuse Josy through alcohol,which,no,there wasn`t enough of it to make that excuse valid,especially given that initiation of that relationship aswell as continuation of it by Josy was done by her while perfectly sober.

Its ok to be wrong,happens to me aswell,happens to everyone just don`t be stubborn about it

I wasnt going for the whole situation, i just corrected them that she did not proposed sex where they argued she did. It was an invitation to sex not a proposition.
Also i never said she was drunk. When i talked about her in a prev post that she had a cloudy judgement due to alcohol that was just my assumption. If you had a bit to much to drink or have a low tolerance, it can be a factor for that judgement. That is where my argument comes in about the fact of it never ends with just one glass of wine. Its others assuming that i was making a point that she was drunk. But it all came down that alcohol was involve which can be a factor in her judgement