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Real Kreten

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I guess I'm not in my right mind then. I wouldn't want either of them. Sure, I'd sleep with them but a relationship... nah, neither together or individually. Hard pass.

They're liars. I don't care if someone cheats with a man, a woman or a fucking sentient pot plant. It's cheating, and cheating is a betrayal of trust and a real, adult, relationship doesn't work without trust. I would never trust Maya/Josy. They're still lying to each other as of Ep5. Monogamy doesn't exist because of some biological imperative all cocks have a vagina that's exclusively theirs. This is about two people agreeing to exclusively be together and the genders involved are irrelevant if someone decides to operate outside of that agreement. They didn't even have a good fucking reason beyond physically being separated. Call me old fashioned but if you start going on dates with guys you barely know from work just because your partner left for University you're not "perfect".

This is just personal morality (something I know is not shared by all) but I don't trust cheaters. Same reason I don't leave my valuables with a thief or my niece around sex offenders. Past behaviour informs future behaviour. Josy may have feelings for the MC now but that kiss on that date in EP1 was off the back of nothing more than him making googly eyes at her over a few months. They barely even talked by her own admission. I wouldn't want to be with someone who's word is broken by the same level of seduction my blind dog gives the fucking washing machine because the bearings squeak and she likes to stare at it.
I agree with the view that once cheaters "always" cheaters. Things must always be taken in context, but greater or lesser doubts will always remain. For completeness, however, you should have added Sage and Bella, which also cheat, if we are not interested in the circumstances.

The MC is trying to get it on with two girls that have admitted they are in relationships, he isn't dating them and so can't be cheating.
They are the cheaters.
The game is actually full of cheaters. MC is then one of them and he admitted it at the end of Ep4. Two are needed for cheating, so "wash your hands of it" that MC were not in a comited relationship ....
Of course, dealing with situations in the game has a higher-moral ground way (see Derek's words to Maya). But few are able to do that.
 

felicemastronzo

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The MC is guilty of cheating too. He didn't knew about their relationship, but he knew he was cheating on them.
I do not agree. only Josy can be considered a cheater, she is the only one who believed she had an official relationship. MC is her "sidechick".

even Maya, if she is truly convinced that the relationship is over, cannot be considered a cheater.

MC had no real relationship with either of them, so he cannot betray them, also when he has the second date with Josy his relationship with Maya is still in the phase of a lie in each sentence, at best it can be considered friendship ...
 

felicemastronzo

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The game is actually full of cheaters. MC is then one of them and he admitted it at the end of Ep4. Two are needed for cheating, so "wash your hands of it" that MC were not in a comited relationship ....
Of course, dealing with situations in the game has a higher-moral ground way (see Derek's words to Maya). But few are able to do that.
in that situation MC committed a sensational suicide.

for days the girls asked him to have the opportunity to explain their behavior. he refused every time, because he was very angry / disappointed with them.

in the end when he accepts, instead of listening to their apologies / explanations, he decides to give her the explanations, acting as peacemaker between the 2 girls, and in practice pushing himself to the door ..

a fool
 

Tserriednich'sNen

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With every other character we know enough to confidently label them a cheater or not. However I want to hold up on calling Bella a cheater until we find what's going on with her husband and weather or not she's partly to blame for whatever's occurring or occurred.

Now some will be quick to say she obviously is since she's getting intimate with a younger guy while married however we have no idea wtf is going on in her marital situation. So I'm pulling her off to the side of cheaters for now at least until we get some more info.
 

Real Kreten

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in that situation MC committed a sensational suicide.

for days the girls asked him to have the opportunity to explain their behavior. he refused every time, because he was very angry / disappointed with them.

in the end when he accepts, instead of listening to their apologies / explanations, he decides to give her the explanations, acting as peacemaker between the 2 girls, and in practice pushing himself to the door ..

a fool
Fool or brave? Drunk is the right word.
In any case, we did not receive a detailed explanation of their behavior from the girls.

With every other character we know enough to confidently label them a cheater or not. However I want to hold up on calling Bella a cheater until we find what's going on with her husband and weather or not she's partly to blame for whatever's occurring or occurred.

Now some will be quick to say she obviously is since she's getting intimate with a younger guy while married however we have no idea wtf is going on in her marital situation. So I'm pulling her off to the side of cheaters for now at least until we get some more info.
Bella and Maya are at the opposite end of what we can call cheating.
Maya doesn't believe that her relationship with Josy is still going on, so she "cheats".
Bella believes she is in a relationship, so she considers her behavior to be cheating. We will consider her relationship dead, but she is deceiving her own beliefs.

EDIT: The question is what we consider to be superior self-belief, or formal comitment. I think both are important.
 

Meushi

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It doesn't work the way I tried it: I deleted one save to make that place empty and then I tried to save the same moment in that empty field, but with a given name. And the given name was not taken.
see screenshot

If i click on the empty field it saves with the usual name, if i click enter on the field with the new name it does nothing.. is there some trick?
They do work, as you can see in my screenshot. The problem you're having is:

DPC has restricted what characters can be used in valid save names to alphanumeric ([A-z]|[0-9]), space and underscore.
You included an & in your save name, which isn't in the range of allowed characters. So the game decided your save name text was invalid and ignored it, using the default datetime stamp instead. Take the & out and that would work.
 

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after completing ep 5 .... the teasing of what's inside bella's secret room was too much for me ....So I did some tinkering with the light curves and raytracing of the free roam peeking render and got thisss....
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I applaud the effort. But how many people have to go and waste their time to dig into this rabbit hole?
 

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after completing ep 5 .... the teasing of what's inside bella's secret room was too much for me ....So I did some tinkering with the light curves and raytracing of the free roam peeking render and got thisss....
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Oh hell that gave me the chills, didn't you see that military guy standing in the corner of a room when you first came to Bella's house? Jumpscared the shiznips outta me... that's probably him standing there (rabbit hole being: is he dead and haunting the house? shame if you did anything sexual with his wife while he watched...)
 

Laurelin

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I'm definitely not supporting Maya or Josy. They are both childish when it come to how they react to their own relationship.
I can't agree with that.

I'm away just for one day and my dear Josy and Maya are attacked ??? I take my white steed and I rush to defend her !;)

So, what have we got here ? On one hand, the relationship between Josy and Maya lasts for quite some time. Derek says that they were together in high school and Maya was already into Josy. They had some time to improve their feelings for each other, and we know Maya's father was against it. Then they separate (Maya is really subdued to her father, we often can see it in every deeply religious familly), and Josy came back to her father's too. Distant love is not easy to live with, especially since we can suppose the two girls had some fight about it.
Remeber too Josy and Maya have quite opposite temperaments : Maya is very shy when Josy is really an easy-going girl, the former has some sexual complexes when the latter seems a lot more experienced. Maya is ice/nordic, Josy is fire/latin.
I'll get back to this later on.

On the other hand, they both met MC very recently. They both had a crush on him. For that reason, they both have some difficulties to qualify their relationships with him. It's quite obvious, during the discussion into the Diks ruined library, in ep.4. Josy and Maya use the word "love" to qualify their girl-girl relationship. "Love" is never used between them and MC.
If you want to see this word of "love", you must reject them (want only friendship) in ep.4, then take back Josy to her dorm in ep.5, after she met her father : "How can you feel loving feelings for two persons at the same time".
Just after, Josy says : "she was the only one who was certain for me at that moment".

Is that a childish reaction ? I think, on the contrary, it's a really mature way of thinking !!

Now, let's talk about the future (on the Josy/Maya route).
As I said before, Josy and Maya are very different. MC may be the cement wich will stenghten the union into a happy throuple. However, it will be difficult and MC will have to be very carefull with his choices in the future, and not to always favor the same girl. The risk of developping jealousy is very high. I really hope that it will be possible, that would be my favorite ending, without any doubt.

I think there is also a possibility for MC to end with one or the other girl. As I said before, since Josy and Maya are so different, I don't think their couple could go on for long. They fought in the past, they will fight in the future. So, if MC make the choice to stay friend with them in ep. 4, we know that feelings are still strong. When MC talks with Derek in the preps house in ep.5, you can choose an option ("feelings for Maya" or "feelings for Josy") wich raise up a flag into the game's code :
"ep5_feelingsForMaya = True" or "ep5_feelingsFor Josy = True". (thanks to you, Youventus ;))
We can bet that it will have some importance later, and may conclude to a couple MC-Maya or MC-Josy.

We don't know even half the story ! Maybe 11 or more episodes are to come !!! It's our chance, and also our curse ! :)
 
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felicemastronzo

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Now, let's talk about the future (on the Josy/Maya route).
As I said before, Josy and Maya are very different. MC may be the cement wich will stenghten the union into a happy throuple. However, it will be difficult and MC will have to be very carefull with his choices in the future, and not to always favor the same girl. The risk of developping jealousy is very high. I really hope that it will be possible, that would be my favorite ending, without any doubt.

I think there is also a possibility for MC to end with one or the other girl. As I said before, since Josy and Maya are so different, I don't think their couple could go on for long. They fought in the past, they will fight in the future. So, if MC make the choice to stay friend with them in ep. 4, we know that feelings are still strong. When MC talks with Derek in the preps house in ep.5, you can choose an option ("feelings for Maya" or "feelings for Josy") wich raise up a flag into the game's code :
"ep5_feelingsForMaya = True" or "ep5_feelingsFor Josy = True". (thanks to you, Youventus ;))
We can bet that will have some importance later, and may conclude to a couple MC-Maya or MC-Josy.

We don't know even half the story ! Maybe 11 or more episodes are to come !!! It's our chance, and also our curse ! :)
the triangle is a big and dangerous trap

only MC risks being thrown out of it, in fact it is the one under consideration

as you rightly say too, it is enough that MC devotes too much attention to one of the two and risks leaving it empty-handed, let alone if he were to devote these attentions to a third girl



on the second part I disagree, the triangle exists only for how MC acted. first he reassembles the couple of the girls and then asks for a seat, he does everything.

it is he who has forgiven them. the two girls only gave him the chance to see how it goes
the one under examination remains him
 

Laurelin

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Speaking about all the LIs, they all are emotionally unstable and they all have huge contradictions.
And fortunately !!! Without that, it wouldn't be such an intersting story and we wouldn't take all this time to comment it ! ;)

- Sage : unable to split with Chad, even if we know he feels nothing for her (from the beginning it seems, see the flashback in the beginning of ep.5). She is still jealous, angry, she "hates" him... but she is totally unable to forgot him (for the moment...)

- Maya : she discovers her bisexuality (I totally agree with mizilic on that subject) and it could be a great and sudden shock for her. She can't surmise what happened after that. Don't mention her rocky relationship with Josy...

- Josy : assumed bisexual, she has to manage her complicated relationship with Maya and her recent crush for MC... Not easy !

- Bella : she is torned by conflicting emotions. She is highly attracted by MC, but still wants to be faithful to her husband... It seems that she is totally unable to resist and to make any choice. Even better : nevertheless, she pushes Jill into MC's arms ! (to protect herself ???)

- Jill : she is the most mysterious of all... Can you imagine a girl like her, around 21 years old, gorgeous, rich, intelligent, nice and friendly, simple, helpfull, so in only one word : perfect, could be a virgin (we don't know exactly, but it's very probable) and so uninterested about dating guys ? Even if we know her very romantic personality, it's however very strange she seems to never had experimented love or even tried more than one date or two... There must be something missing in his past, and I bet DrPinkCake holds some surprises for us !
Good, or bad ? :eek:
 
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