VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

It's such an unfortunate flaw in an otherwise great game and is entirely avoidable had things been implemented differently. The depth of feelings displayed by MC, Maya, and Josy would land much better in ep 4 if every player had had to go back to Maya after the DIK party and almost have sex with Josy and Maya because these are the most crucial scenes in developing those relationships. Players could still not offer to help Maya or say the right things to Josy on the date, but those scenes need to be seen to understand why the characters feel the way they do.

Bella's another example as you and ename144 have said, not just with the scenes in ep 4 and 5 but also the scene in ep 3 that was important to see that is also avoidable. So here we have a situation where the MC can not have gone to see Bella in the library or stayed with her and got that lewd scene, but still comes on hot and heavy with her in ep 5 which seems inconsistent because you can easily not have seen how that relationship has built up to this point.

I think the system could be made to work with either less choice (at this stage), or more reactivity. Obviously the latter would be preferable, but it's clear DPC just can't keep up with the demands of that many story branches, however much he wants to. The former could still work, though, as long as we kept some level of choice and branching dialog to tide us over until we reach the later stages of the game.

Personally, I think sex scenes would have been a decent place to draw the line. Sex is a big deal, so players are naturally going to want to have some say in that. But at the same time, most of the emotional development with a LI comes in the lead up to sex. If the dialog makes it clear that the MC is tempted when the opportunity arises, I think the players will accept that the girl will still be important to the MC going forward even if the MC turns her down. That's essentially the way Sage's path has been handled thus far (though it took a while to confirm that), and I think it works fairly well.

We'd still have the side girls to provide varied game experiences, and the player's dialog could still change DIK vs CHICK. Plus there would be plenty of small choices the MC could make that would have minor impacts along the way (like participating in the Hell Week activities, spanking Sally or getting nicknamed 'assman').

Of course, there would still be potential problems. This wouldn't have solved the Maya/Josy issue without completely overhauling that library scene. And there's certainly the risk that watching the MC fool around with a given girl (even if he never goes all the way) will antagonize a given player. But I think this would be the best, and most intuitive, compromise between interactivity and available resources.

Now at some point the game is going to have to buckle down and start changing how the MC feels about the LIs based on who the player chooses. But ideally this would give us enough time that small details can build up to show him gradually growing closer/further until the time for a hard break arrives. (again, I'm still hoping the game runs shorter rather than longer.)

 

[Malicre]

I think the system could be made to work with either less choice (at this stage), or more reactivity. Obviously the latter would be preferable, but it's clear DPC just can't keep up with the demands of that many story branches, however much he wants to. The former could still work, though, as long as we kept some level of choice and branching dialog to tide us over until we reach the later stages of the game.

Personally, I think sex scenes would have been a decent place to draw the line. Sex is a big deal, so players are naturally going to want to have some say in that. But at the same time, most of the emotional development with a LI comes in the lead up to sex. If the dialog makes it clear that the MC is tempted when the opportunity arises, I think the players will accept that the girl will still be important to the MC going forward even if the MC turns her down. That's essentially the way Sage's path has been handled thus far (though it took a while to confirm that), and I think it works fairly well.

We'd still have the side girls to provide varied game experiences, and the player's dialog could still change DIK vs CHICK. Plus there would be plenty of small choices the MC could make that would have minor impacts along the way (like participating in the Hell Week activities, spanking Sally or getting nicknamed 'assman').

Of course, there would still be potential problems. This wouldn't have solved the Maya/Josy issue without completely overhauling that library scene. And there's certainly the risk that watching the MC fool around with a given girl (even if he never goes all the way) will antagonize a given player. But I think this would be the best, and most intuitive, compromise between interactivity and available resources.

Now at some point the game is going to have to buckle down and start changing how the MC feels about the LIs based on who the player chooses. But ideally this would give us enough time that small details can build up to show him gradually growing closer/further until the time for a hard break arrives. (again, I'm still hoping the game runs shorter rather than longer.)

To be fair in my playthrough the only 3 LIs that are still open are Bella/Jill/Sage. Josy and Maya are literally closed, even my end of episode summery has them with only 2 lines of text compared to the 5 or 6 lines the other 3 have.


You can close routes you just cant be wishy washy on your decisions.

 

[Jacob the Third]

I think Jill is the only main LI don't have sexual contact yet? MC fingered and suck Bella tits, MC fuck Josy, MC fuck Maya, MC fuck Sage TWICE and Make out sessions don't count. Hopefully in the next episode, we have a sexual scene with Jill. It doesn't have to be sex.

If you unlock these scenes you'll understand

 

[Jacob the Third]

To be fair in my playthrough the only 3 LIs that are still open are Bella/Jill/Sage. Josy and Maya are literally closed, even my end of chapter summery has them with only 2 lines of text compared to the 5 or 6 lines the other 3 have.

You can close routes you just cant be wishy washy on your decisions.

You could have multiple saves like what I'm doing.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

So from the tip to halfway, Oh boy. Maybe next time he'll manage to get it in all the way.

That's certainly what I'm hoping for. It's also why having her and Josy together is the best idea because while he's getting it in there, Josy can give Maya something else to focus on...

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[ename144]

I don't think it's a fear of being incomplete, it's just that people don't want to wait. Our "next day delivery", "15 minute pizza delivery" society isn't used to waiting for things anymore and there's a lack of patience. There's probably also an age element too in that when people think forward to when a game might be completed, they say to themselves, "I don't want to still be playing this when I'm XX" because they'd rather play when they're their current age.

For me, it's both. The long waits between episodes are tough, for obvious reasons.

But the longer each individual episode takes, the longer the whole game will take. And while I believe DPC is committed to the game, this is the real world and sometimes unlikely things happen. The more time it takes to complete, the more chances there are for one of those low probability events to bite its creator somewhere sensitive.

 

[lemonfreak]

We had this one back in early June:

The 3rd one won.



We don't see a lot of things in this game, like the MC's Mom dying, or what's behind Bella's locked door, or who Chad was on the phone too, or who leaked the Cathy pic, but that doesn't mean that people saying that the Mom is alive, that Bella is keeping her husband captive in the room, that Chad is gay, that the Betas leaked the pic, are correct. Those are theories and not based in anything that's been seen or known in the game.

Saying that Jill is lying about the date and that Rusty didn't behave badly on the date is the same as these examples. The game is explicitly telling us one specific thing and we have no reason to doubt what we have seen. When Maya said she had a boyfriend, we had no reason to doubt her at the time either, but just because she revealed that it was a lie later doesn't mean that Jill is also lying in this instance.

This is also completely different to what I was saying about how certain choices affect what scenes players see and therefore alter perceptions of the events. When players don't go back to Maya in ep 2, they get a different sense of that relationship than those who went back. When Jill tells the MC that she had a bad date with Rusty, we are all given the same sense that Jill had a bad date with Rusty.

If people want to have a skepticism, fine, but right now the game is telling us that Jill had a bad date with Rusty and that is currently the acceptable fact of the case, just like how the acceptable fact about Bella's locked room is that she has a locked room. We can debate what's in it to whatever crazy degree we like, but it doesn't change the fact that all we know about it is that the room is locked and there are a pair of boots inside.

I normally hate to be that guy but in this case I happilly take on that mantle; please don't use theory when you mean hypothesis, it gives ammunition to those who propose 'ideas' unsupported by any kind of evidence, whether that be in relation to BaD or the world in general.

 

[ename144]

About Jill... I really hope her "drama" isn't something cheap, but something interesting and even, i don't know, a flaw in her? I just don't like too perfect characters, we know she is stubborn, but for now is her only flaw.

Come on, it's Jill. Of course her drama will be expensive and shiny!

In all seriousness, I am curious to see where Jill's story goes. I will be disappointed if it's just her parents pressuring her to find someone in her own class.

 

[Malicre]

Come on, it's Jill. Of course her drama will be expensive and shiny!

In all seriousness, I am curious to see where Jill's story goes. I will be disappointed if it's just her parents pressuring her to find someone in her own class.

Wouldn't it be interesting if they made Jill related to the MC? Obviously that's not going to happen because theres no incest tag and she's one of the SI's but its an interesting thought. Maybe they could do something like they think hes related to her but just as a red herring to halt the relationship some.

 

[ename144]

Maybe if you like Minnie Mouse or Olive Oil from Popeye. 3 and 4 look like actual clothes an actual teenage would wear, and personally I prefer the pink. I've definitely seen girls wear those bright colors like that.

I've seen colors like that too, but that doesn't mean I think they looked good!

If Josy insists on wearing radioactive pants, I think she needs a different top. The white top is bright, but the color is too understated; all the focus is drawn straight to the pants. Josy has a great overall figure, better to emphasize the whole thing.

 

[GreekGeek87]

Biggest game on F95 I think. Good!

 

[Jacob the Third]

I think the guy in a red bun is sage father but IDK He have some Jill vibes.

 

[Shades19]

Biggest game on F95 I think. Good!

Deserves to be too.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I think the guy in a red bun is sage father but IDK He have some Jill vibes.

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Definitely Sage's Dad. Jill's Dad would likely act more classy than that because the Royce's are probably from old money and this guy looks like he's from new money and trying desperately to fit in with these snobby elites.

 

[GreekGeek87]

Deserves to be too.

I think so too They really go into detail with the story lines.

 

[lemonfreak]

I think the guy in a red bun is sage father but IDK He have some Jill vibes.

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I'm perfectly happy assuming he's one of the 3,500,000,000 men on the planet; why add that complication?

 

[Jacob the Third]

Definitely Sage's Dad. Jill's Dad would likely act more classy than that because the Royce's are probably from old money and this guy looks like he's from new money and trying desperately to fit in with these snobby elites.

True They care about appearances.

 

[Gh0st_Harambe]

Episode 6 Cosmetic poll, Josy
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[Nomesk]

True They care about appearances.

Is that an JoJo reference?

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

True They care about appearances.

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