VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[sassobello22]

LI is Love Interest - one of the women intended to be a possible end of game romantic partner

@sassobello22 Love Interests, basically Bella, Jill, Josy, Maya and Sage.

Ok thank you

 

[Idontknowme]

Even if something doesn't rise to the level of the actual definition of NTR, not everybody is comfortable seeing someone that they are romantically interested in having sex or just being mildly intimate with someone else, even if that someone else is their partner or spouse.

It's easy for people to internalise these games because you are almost literally being put in their shoes to see what they see and experience what they experience, so if seeing this kind of thing would make you uncomfortable in real life, then it will make you feel uncomfortable here. Even if it's shown in flashback form like with M&J it can be uncomfortable because although it happened before they met the MC, it's like watching a sex tape of your current partner with her ex-partner; you can ccept that they've been with someone before but you don't want to see it.

The problem is that this feeling of being uncomfortable is conflated with NTR, but the two things are vastly different, but it's still probably a good idea for DPC to avoid showing LIs with "love rivals" in intimate ways too much in order to not have this controversial topic plague the game in any way.

This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I get that people feel icky about the past relationships of their IRL partners. But if you are hoping to elicit some kind of emotional response from your audience those are the places to go. Anyway, the MC is literally shown to have a face that is not shared by the players the world over. I don't see a reason to actually 'put themselves in his shoes'. That's just me though.

And forgive me for my ignorance but I didn't see anyone particularly upset over the M&J scene (in the past). I am a sporadic reader of this thread at best. However, I feel people complain more when it is a straight scene. Despite the fact that we are in the 21st century there are people who think women who have had sex before have been sullied. Which is absurd. If the problem people have with being in a relationship with Sage is that she is, to use a term that has been bandied about, Chad's sloppy seconds then they need to grow up.

I don't mean show in a completely literal sense ofc. But some form of exposition is necessary. Whether Sage blurts out that MC is much better than Chad during a heated moment or Sage's friend (though she hasn't been shown to have any) confides in him that she seems more content with him than she has ever seen Sage with Chad. People do irrational things but they tend to rationalize their intentions about them later.

I personally think something like that would be more interesting because we're all flitting back-and-forth between simple theories that he's cheating with another girl or that he's gay and cheating with a guy, but to find out that he secretly likes to hang out down by the docks and be called "Chanel" would be hilarious.

The thing is that should not stop him from being intimate with Sage. And even though this is a game about literally turning lesbians straight, I'd rather not see crossdressers be made the butt of a joke to plug a plothole.

Big fan of your encyclopedic knowledge of BaDIK universe btw.

Chad being gay is the only explanation in universe that would explain Chad's behaviour, the other one would be no NTR and I'd rather stick to in universe explanations if possible.

I've seen some women trying to save relationships in which they were abused IRL, didn't notice the abuse and still wanted to be with that guy, I'm not surprised by anything at this point. Thinking it now coldheaded it's easy to say "Why doesn't she just left him?" We don't know for sure what's on her head, but I think I understand her.

The Stockholm syndrome is indeed an actual condition, yes. But DPC has written himself into a corner with the way he has portrayed the Sage-Chad relationship. Whether he can wriggle out of it only time will tell. Thhe point that I was trying to make was that either due to his own aversion to NTR or to appeal to the anti-NTR crowd DPC wrote the plot the way he did. In doing so he has overly complicated matters for himself and made us commit mental gymnastics to rationalize Sage's behaviour. The problem could have simply been solved by what I stated earlier.

Maybe I am way off-base here. Maybe DPC looks like MC and he modelled Sage after his IRL partner. But I find that unlikely considering that my SO would be the object of desire for horny perverts worldwide is more disturbing than posing a model with a different generic white guy face.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

The Stockholm syndrome is indeed an actual condition, yes. But DPC has written himself into a corner with the way he has portrayed the Sage-Chad relationship. Whether he can wriggle out of it only time will tell. Thhe point that I was trying to make was that either due to his own aversion to NTR or to appeal to the anti-NTR crowd DPC wrote the plot the way he did. In doing so he has overly complicated matters for himself and made us commit mental gymnastics to rationalize Sage's behaviour. The problem could have simply been solved by what I stated earlier.

Maybe I am way off-base here. Maybe DPC looks like MC and he modelled Sage after his IRL partner. But I find that unlikely considering that my SO would be the object of desire for horny perverts worldwide is more disturbing than posing a model with a different generic white guy face.

I think you're right. By Ockham's razor we could agree that the no-NTR rule explains Sage's behaviour better than asuming that Chad is gay, which takes more asumptions. I'd rather take a in universe explanation over an out of universe one any time, but if Chad ends up being gay it could still be a combination of the two, a "I can't show this so how can I get around it?" But as long as the end product makes sense...

I don't think DPC's looks have to do with anything, it's just that he won't do that kind of game.

 

[Tgsaudoiz]

My life not waste when i found this, awsome work.

 

[BenMeiffert]

Hi Everyone,
Firstly, excuse my english... I played lots of different paths (without cheat mode) from MassDIK to MassChick with all girls or only one by one. I love Sage path (to have fun with HOTS) ans I really hope next episode i could help Quinn to avoid problem with her supplier, hope to be able to confort Mona (because I really like her (redhair Kirsten Dunst)).
I really like path with M/J too and don't know where DPC makes us go.
I think I will have lots of problem in my Bella/Jill route in next episodes and I'm ready to have a heartbreak as in AL.

Il love read all your theories too.. and fun with KRJ.

 

[Idontknowme]

I think you're right. By Ockham's razor we could agree that the no-NTR rule explains Sage's behaviour better than asuming that Chad is gay, which takes more asumptions. I'd rather take a in universe explanation over an out of universe one any time, but if Chad ends up being gay it could still be a combination of the two, a "I can't show this so how can I get around it?" But as long as the end product makes sense...

People got around not being able to show or say sex was happening in the early days of Hollywood. It wouldn't be the biggest sweat to hint that something was wrong with Sage and Chad's sex life without explicitly stating it. But I guess we are stuck with what we have. (which is ofc not as bad as our present discussion is making it out to be)

I don't think DPC's looks have to do with anything, it's just that he won't do that kind of game.

That was a joke, mate. I was making a point that DPC (most likely) is not averse to modelling other chars with the LIs. It is just that his livelihood depends on not offending his paying customer base. If and when he becomes assured that his customer base won't be offended by insinuation of continued sexual congress between couples in a relationship, the female of which is a potential LI for the protagonist he will not curb his creativity or force himself into the aforementioned situation.

 

[Mormont]

I certainly wouldn't want her written out of the game, but she is officially a side-chick and not a love interest.

Where is Mona being written out of the game coming from?

 

[BenMeiffert]

Where is Mona being written out of the game coming from?

maybe if she'i out of the HOTS, some players are scared not seeing her after the 6th.

 

[Conklingc]

Where is Mona being written out of the game coming from?

It was a response to a joke "Swimming with Fishes" based on her scene in the water and the preview image of Quinn having a talk with her. No one was serious about her being written out of the game (though anything is possible).

Edit: Holy Bacchus actually said Sleeping with the fishes, but it was clearly meant as a joke, sorry if my response startled or upset anyone.

 

[lemonfreak]

I think you're right. By Ockham's razor we could agree that the no-NTR rule explains Sage's behaviour better than asuming that Chad is gay, which takes more asumptions. I'd rather take a in universe explanation over an out of universe one any time, but if Chad ends up being gay it could still be a combination of the two, a "I can't show this so how can I get around it?" But as long as the end product makes sense...

I don't think DPC's looks have to do with anything, it's just that he won't do that kind of game.

I'm sure I've said this before but if you look up the 5 stages of grief it fits quite neatly with the Sage behave over Chad. As we meet her she's found the panties and moved from Denial to Anger. Later we see, in the scene in her dorm right after Chad loses his presidency, we see her trying to persuede him to give up the steroids and be the boyfriend he used to be, Bargaining. We've yet to see Depression and Acceptance but I have no doubt they're coming.

Now, I accept that, if my hypothesis is correct, she seems to pass the 5 stages very quickly but the fact is that they would apply whether she was still deeply in love with him or in denial of what is a dead relationship (in both cases the grief is over the plans she had for the future and therefore valid). Combine that with the sunk costs fallacy some smart user linked in an earlier post and you have something that requires no real conjecture but instead a rudimentary knowledge of human beings.

 

[cryhwks]

I've never used Mods for this game, and I've definitely gotten the Cathy scene after banging Josy or Maya.

And it's pretty stupid imo that would be locked out anyways, storywise. The MC can literally bang several different women in the same Mansion while being in a relationship with M&J and having Neutral to CHICK alignment.

So why would he just be like, "No Cathy, now that I'm in a ship with these 2 girls, I will still have no strings attached sex with several other women, but I will not have no strings attached sex with you."

Very ridiculous, even more ridiculous if we're suggesting he can't get hard after having so much sex," Which irl, would probably be true. " But in this game the MC is good to go whenever.

But like I've said, I've never used a mod for this game, and still got the Cathy scene while in the relationship. Very strange.

 

[Mormont]

maybe if she'i out of the HOTS, some players are scared not seeing her after the 6th.

Well, she still has her fans despite not playing such a big role I don't think Le Pew would be to amused with this

It was a response to a joke "Swimming with Fishes" based on her scene in the water and the preview image of Quinn having a talk with her. No one was serious about her being written out of the game (though anything is possible).

I can't see Quinn letting one of her investments walk out so easily I don't think she'll come to any harm I wouldn't be surprised if Quinn persuades her to stay, whatever spooked her was with Burke so I guess Quinn could promise her she won't have to go near Burke again just anything that keeps her onboard.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I've never used Mods for this game, and I've definitely gotten the Cathy scene after banging Josy or Maya.

And it's pretty stupid imo that would be locked out anyways, storywise. The MC can literally bang several different women in the same Mansion while being in a relationship with M&J and having Neutral to CHICK alignment.

So why would he just be like, "No Cathy, now that I'm in a ship with these 2 girls, I will still have no strings attached sex with several other women, but I will not have no strings attached sex with you."

Very ridiculous, even more ridiculous if we're suggesting he can't get hard after having so much sex," Which irl, would probably be true. " But in this game the MC is good to go whenever.

But like I've said, I've never used a mod for this game, and still got the Cathy scene while in the relationship. Very strange.

Well, that must be some kind of glitch because the official walkthrough says it's not possible:

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, that must be some kind of glitch because the official walkthrough says it's not possible:

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really strange choice ...

even if Cathy's fate was tied to that of Jade, the players out of the relationship with Maya and Josy maybe they were not with Jade (1% I think ...)

 

[akki37]

I'm more interested in playing Sage route till the end. But Sage is in her final year of college. so is it possible that she will be not be available till the end of game.
Just Thinking.

 

[always86]

Well, that must be some kind of glitch because the official walkthrough says it's not possible:

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Interesting. My neutral play though is my ‘official‘ one so I didn’t try to mess with her on that one of the CHICK pass. Though as I recall I did unlock it on neutral and then revert the save. I though it was only ‘locked’ to CHICK characters.

I'm more interested in playing Sage route till the end. But Sage is in her final year of college. so is it possible that she will be not be available till the end of game.
Just Thinking.

Yeah hard to know if we’ll get a time leap or something. At the rate we’re going aI can’t see the story taking place over multiple years though. After 1.5 years and 5 episodes we’re only 2 weeks in.

That said once relationships are a bit more firmly established it might be we can take a leap forward. Perhaps after the MCs Birthday to Halloween. Then to Thanksgiving and then Christmas. Depends if DPC wants to hit certain events or if he doesn’t care about them and is happy to let the story unfold. I think a time jump with perhaps a series of Clucks used to explain what happened in the last few weeks.

For example;
Different dates with Jill
Stuff with Bella around her house
Partying with the DiKs
Hanging with Maya x Josy
Hanging with Derek
Training/ teaching Sage
Classes

The Clucks could have a little be or variation depending on Dik/Chick affinity including on the comments MC made during the time skip.

Having given it a quick bit of thought, I quite like this idea. You don’t really miss anything but your able to jump forward to seasonal events.

 

[Mormont]

I'm more interested in playing Sage route till the end. But Sage is in her final year of college. so is it possible that she will be not be available till the end of game.
Just Thinking.

Not sure how DPC is going to play that with her being an Li and everything I can't see her leaving but I wonder what will happen if you don't follow her route.

 

[Alfagrem]

Aight folks,
My apologies for derailing the conversation. I was just hoping someone would shed some light on something I just found.
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Like... what is this?
I've never seen this before.
Is this an unused image or is there a needlessly convoluted and intricate way you have to navigate the dialog for this to happen?

if dtype < 0:
scene d0_js8 with dissolve
"*{i}Smack{/i}*"

So just be a nice, sweet young man.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

really strange choice ...

even if Cathy's fate was tied to that of Jade, the players out of the relationship with Maya and Josy maybe they were not with Jade (1% I think ...)

Not being able to have Cathy while in a relationship with M&J is an odd thing because it's not as if the MC thinks he shouldn't be "unfaithful" or anything like that since he just screwed his way through the Prep party with 7 girls at most.

Interesting. My neutral play though is my ‘official‘ one so I didn’t try to mess with her on that one of the CHICK pass. Though as I recall I did unlock it on neutral and then revert the save. I though it was only ‘locked’ to CHICK characters.

Are you playing the 0.5.0 or the 0.5.2 version? Also, what is the status of your MC? Because I've still got the clean version of 0.5.0 and my Neutral Affinity, Huge CHICK status MC doesn't get the option to continue things with Cathy when he's still with M&J.

But, when I tested the game out on my 0.5.0 version with the mod installed, I found that no matter what status the MC has, he gets the option to continue things.

So having the walkthrough mod installed, even if you don't use it adjust variables, gives you the Cathy scene, but when it's not installed, you don't get it when still with M&J.

 

[BenMeiffert]

I'm more interested in playing Sage route till the end. But Sage is in her final year of college. so is it possible that she will be not be available till the end of game.
Just Thinking.

maybe Sage could get a job near B&R and still be there...
or I think next episode will be longer (in days/weeks..) than the firsts episodes. DPC needs to install all characters and their past.