VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

that the couple Maya and Josy at some point break up, I think it's something that almost everyone expects.

certainly an ending in which the two girls stay together could represent the bad ending of MC towards them.

but the breakup between Maya and Josy would still represent such a dramatic moment (both with MC involved and with MC only spectator) that I even believe it could happen anyway, regardless of the route we follow. it would seem a too important moment to exclude it from the general history.

and I add another personal impression. considering how dramatic this separation will be (especially in the case of Maya being excluded, but also for Josy it would be very heavy) I don't think MC will be the cause, indeed let's say I hope so. if it were because of him, he would still be responsible for enormous pain for a person to whom he is still attached.
this is why I don't like the "friendship only" path (if you still have an interest in one of the two girls), standing there like a vulture waiting for one of them to fall seems terrible to me, more than as DIK just like an asshole

I doubt I was clear

M&J breaking up or at least hitting another stumbling block on the friends path is possible and perhaps likely, but I feel very strongly that there is a good chance the throuple relationship can survive and thrive. The only real obstacle in the way of such an ending is DPC themselves if they choose to write this relationship as one that is doomed to fail, because right now it's essentially like DPC has flipped a coin and we're all waiting to see what side it comes down on; a pre-determined, doomed to fail relationship, or one that can work if the right choices are made.

Personally, I just don't see there not being an ending with all 3 of them in a happy relationship together because of what happened in AL. DPC teased a promising threesome relationship and literally killed it, so to do the same again (minus the death, of course) would just be to retread old, and controversial, ground. Relationships in games like BaDIK should always come down to player choice, but if a relationship is doomed to fail no matter what, then that negates the whole choice system and makes it feel like it wasn't worth pursuing the relationship in the first place, which is why the AL is so controversial and it's why DPC shouldn't (and hopefully won't) do that again here.

Even if, on the throuple path, they have a slight falling out, that can still be a dramatic moment where the two girls are at a crossroads as to whether or not this type of relationship can really work, but even then I feel that it can still survive because if players want a relationship with both then they should be allowed that choice and that opportunity.

 

[ratttta]

No, trying to split up a couple is dysfunctional. A polyamorous relationship is fine.

Christianity winning the culture war over "pagan" religions is the worst thing to ever happen to the west. Our views on sexuality and relationships are a mess because of it.

Here to talk about a game and realistic scenarios, not about organized religion. You have your opinions and I have mine. That's fine.

 

[Maviarab]

I think we're all just still traumatized from what DPC did to us as soon as we found ourselves in a happy throuple in AL.

Not me....only ever did what the game forced me to do with her. Couldn't have cared less about Meghan (mainly because she was written so dull).

 

[xsssssssss]

M&J breaking up or at least hitting another stumbling block on the friends path is possible and perhaps likely, but I feel very strongly that there is a good chance the throuple relationship can survive and thrive. The only real obstacle in the way of such an ending is DPC themselves if they choose to write this relationship as one that is doomed to fail, because right now it's essentially like DPC has flipped a coin and we're all waiting to see what side it comes down on; a pre-determined, doomed to fail relationship, or one that can work if the right choices are made.

Personally, I just don't see there not being an ending with all 3 of them in a happy relationship together because of what happened in AL. DPC teased a promising threesome relationship and literally killed it, so to do the same again (minus the death, of course) would just be to retread old, and controversial, ground. Relationships in games like BaDIK should always come down to player choice, but if a relationship is doomed to fail no matter what, then that negates the whole choice system and makes it feel like it wasn't worth pursuing the relationship in the first place, which is why the AL is so controversial and it's why DPC shouldn't (and hopefully won't) do that again here.

Even if, on the throuple path, they have a slight falling out, that can still be a dramatic moment where the two girls are at a crossroads as to whether or not this type of relationship can really work, but even then I feel that it can still survive because if players want a relationship with both then they should be allowed that choice and that opportunity.

I don't see DPC writing it as doomed to fail. Seems obvious to me it is his attempt to write a moe serious menage a troi relationship, after the unrealistic fantasy one he set up and burned in acting lessons.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I don't see DPC writing it as doomed to fail. Seems obvious to me it is his attempt to write a moe serious menage a troi relationship, after the unrealistic fantasy one he set up and burned in acting lessons.

I certainly hope so.

 

[felicemastronzo]

M&J breaking up or at least hitting another stumbling block on the friends path is possible and perhaps likely, but I feel very strongly that there is a good chance the throuple relationship can survive and thrive. The only real obstacle in the way of such an ending is DPC themselves if they choose to write this relationship as one that is doomed to fail, because right now it's essentially like DPC has flipped a coin and we're all waiting to see what side it comes down on; a pre-determined, doomed to fail relationship, or one that can work if the right choices are made.

Personally, I just don't see there not being an ending with all 3 of them in a happy relationship together because of what happened in AL. DPC teased a promising threesome relationship and literally killed it, so to do the same again (minus the death, of course) would just be to retread old, and controversial, ground. Relationships in games like BaDIK should always come down to player choice, but if a relationship is doomed to fail no matter what, then that negates the whole choice system and makes it feel like it wasn't worth pursuing the relationship in the first place, which is why the AL is so controversial and it's why DPC shouldn't (and hopefully won't) do that again here.

Even if, on the throuple path, they have a slight falling out, that can still be a dramatic moment where the two girls are at a crossroads as to whether or not this type of relationship can really work, but even then I feel that it can still survive because if players want a relationship with both then they should be allowed that choice and that opportunity.

in reality it always depends on how it is written.

this 3-way relationship is very fragile. we are at the beginning (the moment in which relationships are full of passion) and the dominant feeling is fear (of being the excluded ones) which is counterbalanced by the hope that everything works. but fear is real, hope is always controlled by will.

then it could also go as you say: a moment of crisis which is then reassembled or not (this same dynamic could be repeated in the case of "just friendship")

the triangle of AL was heaven on earth, 2 girls who loved MC so much that they were ready to share it, and who loved each other so well that they forgive without problem the worst of betrayals. compared to the Mayan-Josy-MC triangle it was bombproof (but not fireproof ...), too good to be true.

instead considering only the scenario of "only friendship", also in this case the crisis between the two girls is almost mandatory, to put everything back into play, otherwise they would disappear from the radar

 

[felicemastronzo]

Not me....only ever did what the game forced me to do with her. Couldn't have cared less about Meghan (mainly because she was written so dull).

the problem of the fire scene is not the drama of those chasing the little harem. in the end having strong feelings is always good for the game.

but that doesn't make much sense to all other players.

in that he has to improve PDC, creating a story that works well even when the player deviates from that for PDC is the perfect path

 

[felicemastronzo]

I agree he does. See for me there was no feeling, no choice even, didn't even have to think about it. Sorry Megs...

My opinion of DPC's writing is no secret here, he isn't the best, there are far better written VN's on this site and better games (in my personal opinion). Compared to a lot of the crap made though, I can see why people are so easily impressed and will admit, this is a huge improvement over his last.

out of curiosity: can you give me some examples of better writers?

my experience is very limited

 

[phill_leotardo]

out of curiosity: can you give me some examples of better writers?

my experience is very limited

Its good money to bet on DPC at the current momment being the best writter, or whoever writes for him, if he has a team.
I think its reasonable to say the characteristics you'd look for to judge a writting skill would be things like: story immersion, how very distinct each character is and how memorable they are, and at last, but just as important how dialogs are written, metrics (how much meaningful content per frame/paragraph), whether its necessary or not.

I think if you keep in mind these aspects you'll have a good feeling i suppose. But to put it simply, in pratical terms, how many times did you prefer the sex scene over the dialogs and you will know.

 

[Reaurt]

in reality it always depends on how it is written.

this 3-way relationship is very fragile. we are at the beginning (the moment in which relationships are full of passion) and the dominant feeling is fear (of being the excluded ones) which is counterbalanced by the hope that everything works. but fear is real, hope is always controlled by will.

then it could also go as you say: a moment of crisis which is then reassembled or not (this same dynamic could be repeated in the case of "just friendship")

the triangle of AL was heaven on earth, 2 girls who loved MC so much that they were ready to share it, and who loved each other so well that they forgive without problem the worst of betrayals. compared to the Mayan-Josy-MC triangle it was bombproof (but not fireproof ...), too good to be true.

instead considering only the scenario of "only friendship", also in this case the crisis between the two girls is almost mandatory, to put everything back into play, otherwise they would disappear from the radar

True. It's possible that this fragile beginning could bloom into something more solid, with careful attention to both the girls needs, and their own attentiveness to you (the MC) and each other so that no one feels left out. Real poly relationships that last do it that way. But that depends on whether DPC gives the players the option to thread that needle. He definitely could pull it off with his character writing, but it's up to him to give us that option to pursue.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I agree he does. See for me there was no feeling, no choice even, didn't even have to think about it. Sorry Megs...

My opinion of DPC's writing is no secret here, he isn't the best, there are far better written VN's on this site and better games (in my personal opinion). Compared to a lot of the crap made though, I can see why people are so easily impressed and will admit, this is a huge improvement over his last (like a day and night improvement).

for me DPC is really good in 2 aspects:
to create identification with his characters, even the secondary ones
in the use of the soundtrack, that 99 games out of 100 is just a nuisance

on writing in absolute I also have doubts

it is still much above the average of the genre, even if I don't know if it can be considered a boast .. it is full of junk

 

[Wiso232]

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[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

for me DPC is really good in 2 aspects:
to create identification with his characters, even the secondary ones
in the use of the soundtrack, that 99 games out of 100 is just a nuisance

on writing in absolute I also have doubts

it is still much above the average of the genre, even if I don't know if it can be considered a boast .. it is full of junk

This is why I often bring up the first Life Is Strange as a comparison to BaDIK. That game has fairly decent writing but someone who has experience with similar stories (especially with the material the game was influenced by) will see most if not all plot twists from a mile away. Even so, the characters are so relatable and lovable despite (and sometimes because of) their flaws that it more than compensates for the weaker aspects. The music is really just icing on the cake, every song is so well selected and fits the theme.

BaDIK has been a very similar experience for me. Sometimes I forget that I'm playing an adult game until a pair of titties suddenly pop out, the characters just draw me in completely. Even the ones that are largely ignored in most other VNs like the "male best friend" who almost always ends up being a nuisance more than anything else; Derek is the bro I wish I had during my college years. A lot of them seem stereotypical at first but that never bothered me for some reason and it's pretty clear most of them will be fleshed out more as the story progresses. As for the soundtrack, a bunch of them are still on my playlist after listening to them hundreds of times already, DPC sure knows how to pick them.

 

[ThePresident451]

Affinity system sucks, plot holes here, plot holes there, and now DPC is a bad writer too. I wonder why do you guys even bother playing this game, then. It's so bad!

You're criticising a dev who, with his writing, managed to gain 8k (!) patrons and created a job out of porn.

Everyone is here because they're invested in the story, they want to know what's behind Bella's door, what's the deal with Chad, all the remaining questions, and how the story will unfold (not to forget the plot twists that DPC likes to throw).
If this is not good writing then I don't know what it is.

I'm not saying that DPC is perfect because he's not, but saying that he isn't a good writer... man, that's pure heresy.

PS Felice, PinkCake è uno dei migliori a mani basse, su...

 

[Warped77]

After spending a bit more time than I should have in the cesspool... um... I mean 'forum'...of another game where things went REALLY wrong this weekend, holy shit, I'm just gonna say it (no matter how weird it looks): I love you all, DIK brothers. You're all awesome.

Note: Self-edited to not spark off another off-topic firestorm

 

[Cabin Fever]

Its good money to bet on DPC at the current momment being the best writter, or whoever writes for him, if he has a team.
I think its reasonable to say the characteristics you'd look for to judge a writting skill would be things like: story immersion, how very distinct each character is and how memorable they are, and at last, but just as important how dialogs are written, metrics (how much meaningful content per frame/paragraph), whether its necessary or not.

I think if you keep in mind these aspects you'll have a good feeling i suppose. But to put it simply, in pratical terms, how many times did you prefer the sex scene over the dialogs and you will know.

2 things.

1) DPC is a 1-man team. No separate writer. If I recall correctly, the only thing he doesn't do himself is create the music. He licenses those.

2) In my opinion, DPC is well above average but is not the best writer, even by those judging criteria mentioned by you. Just off the top of my head, I'd consider Philly & Tlareo well above DPC in terms of writing, with Drifty & Hopes on par with DPC as well. And it wouldn't surprise me if I'm not the only one willing to take that bet of yours.

 

[der123fer]

Affinity system sucks, plot holes here, plot holes there, and now DPC is a bad writer too. I wonder why do you guys even bother playing this game, then. It's so bad!

You're criticising a dev who, with his writing, managed to gain 8k (!) patrons and created a job out of porn.

Everyone is here because they're invested in the story, they want to know what's behind Bella's door, what's the deal with Chad, all the remaining questions, and how the story will unfold (not to forget the plot twists that DPC likes to throw).
If this is not good writing then I don't know what it is.

I'm not saying that DPC is perfect because he's not, but saying that he isn't a good writer... man, that's pure heresy.

PS Felice, PinkCake è uno dei migliori a mani basse, su...

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[nuthingz]

Hi just started , BTW Thanks

 

[ExDeath730]

2 things.

1) DPC is a 1-man team. No separate writer. If I recall correctly, the only thing he doesn't do himself is create the music. He licenses those.

2) In my opinion, DPC is well above average but is not the best writer, even by those judging criteria mentioned by you. Just off the top of my head, I'd consider Philly & Tlareo well above DPC in terms of writing, with Drifty & Hopes on par with DPC as well. And it wouldn't surprise me if I'm not the only one willing to take that bet of yours.

That's a reasonable post, i agree with you on Philly being above, but i think Drifty is a little bit better, from what i'm seeing in LoF.

DPC, at least for me is doing a lot better in this than he was on AL, so he improved a lot. You can even imagine people saying the dialogue in this game, it isn't like Mr.Dots that is long-winded as fuck, and the dialogue is just atrocious most of the time.

But i think that the test of how good of a writer DPC is, will be when the answers start pouring into the game. There's a reason people started to dislike JJ Abrams nowadays. Because he is really good at setting up stories and creating an air of mystery, but he sucks at delivering the conclusion.

So, i'm curious if DPC will stick the landing in BaDIK.

 

[phill_leotardo]

But i think that the test of how good of a writer DPC is, will be when the answers start pouring into the game. There's a reason people started to dislike JJ Abrams nowadays. Because he is really good at setting up stories and creating an air of mystery, but he sucks at delivering the conclusion.

I think this is a good thought.