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- Jul 29, 2017
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You mean Quinn ? Because that's pretty much Tommy in female form, even worse in some ways. Giving her a dicking doesn't erase all the shit she's done in my book.
- Dec 13, 2018
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I think I know where you're going with this, but there's a difference between someone who is an arrogant, bullying prick at their core, and someone who plays that role because they're covering up their own insecurities behind that façade, and I view her as the latter, not the former.
- Jun 29, 2020
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So you're just glossing over the fact that Quinn is a drug trafficking pimp and kind of a bully sometimes too, and Tommy is neither of those.
We've never seen him actively bullying anyone, and the maggot hazing doesn't count. Your own interpretation of him also doesn't count.
Quoting good ol' Steve Rogers will only make you look ridiculous. You either stand by your principles, or you don't.
I despise Quinn even more than tommy, so yes, easily.
- Jan 16, 2020
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Excellent point since Quinn is OBVIOUSLY someone who has never been showcased as an arrogant bullying prick.
- Oct 24, 2018
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While Quinn is also a bully, at least with her it's possible that she had good intentions when she started the restaurant but lost contol quickly and is now heading down a progressively darker path. With Tommy we've seen he was using Rusty from the very beginning.
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Enticing college girls into prostitution... good intentions..? I'm sorry, what?
- Apr 26, 2017
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- Sep 22, 2017
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Just how hard is it to admit that we give Quinn a free pass because we aren't solely thinking with our brains when it comes to her? Stop trying to justify it, the world won't end if we're all a little bit of hypocrites sometimes, it's fine.
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Well, not really here to defend Tommy, but anyone who's a bullying prick has at least some degree of inferiority complex, which they're compensating for in the lamest way possible. So even in that sense Tommy and Quinn would be similar.
- Jul 13, 2020
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Haha... see also:Just how hard is it to admit that we give Quinn a free pass because we aren't solely thinking with our brains when it comes to her? Stop trying to justify it, the world won't end if we're all a little bit of hypocrites sometimes, it's fine.
Perfectly normal behavior - Railing your tenth different girl in a week, all the while thinking "my girlfriend better not be cheating on me!!!!!"
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By that I mean it was to support the sorority rather for personal gain; we shouldn't forget the conversation with Camilla where she tells the MC that, since she likes sex anyway, why not get paid for something she'd be doing anyway.Enticing college girls into prostitution... good intentions..? I'm sorry, what?
- Sep 20, 2018
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But we don't even know that the proceeds are actually going to the girls. We've seen Quinn trick people out of money when she lied to Sage before the preps party; as she admits to Tommy, the money was actually for Quinn's lifestyle, not the HOTs. We still don't know anything about the financial situation of the HOTs or Quinn herself (other than her shortfall), so it's much too soon to pat her on the back for any philanthropy.
I'm not saying Quinn *must* be cheating her girls. I'm just saying that from what we've actually seen in game, Quinn is at least as self-serving and meanspirited as Tommy has been. Both seem to prioritize their own needs ahead of their brethren (though Quinn is the only one we've seen lie about it onscreen).
The difference (besides Quinn having a vagina) is that Quinn gets a lot of sad music and empty gazes during her cut-scenes. That paints her in a more sympathetic light, but the question is why. Is it to foreshadow that Quinn isn't that bad after all, or is it to make the eventual reveal of how evil Quinn is that much more surprising?
Personally, I think it's bad practice to 'lie' to the audience that way, so I'm hopeful that we will eventually see some redeeming qualities in Quinn. But given DPC's track record, I am absolutely not counting on that.
- Oct 24, 2018
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I only said it was possible, not definite, that Quinn's motivations weren't entirely self-serving, something I can't really say for Tommy. What does seem clear is that she's losing control, in that she and Tommy have something in common (and isn't it funny that both situations are apparently occuring due to someone not suited to the group coming in?)
- Jun 21, 2018
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The thing is how they're presented in story. Quinn is obviously presented to be more sympathetic, with greater depth and hidden motivations we don't know, adding complexity to a character that initially is presented as an unrepentant bully but is slowly being shown different sides of, some ugly, some better. She's also shown to develop a positive relationship with the MC of sorts in the DIK path, which is meant to color our perception of her.
Meanwhile Tommy is presented almost always exclusively through bad lenses - either as your godfather, as a friend, as Jody's stepbrother or as any kind of figure you rely on, he's terrible at it, unrepentant about it and his reasons are almost always framed as selfish, and simply him wanting to indulge himself. The exception to that when he's motivated by wanting the greater good of the Fraternity, even that gets deconstructed later on since he just projects himself on the frat. The only scene where he's presented as positive is when you have a frank talk with him at the strip club by picking the Derek route, and even that doesn't seem to change anything.
The above view goes for both the DIK and the CHICK paths, while Quinn gets a lot better mileage out of the DIK path, where instead of just being antagonistic like she is in the CHICK path, she's actually explored a lot more and has an interesting relationship with you with give and takes. If you don't like Maya and go down the DIK path, using her services, your interests align with Quinn a lot more than not. Tommy has no such benefit.
Thus, while they're both very similar if you make a basic outline for them, Quinn and Tommy end up being presented as different by the story itself and that influenced players emotions and feelings about them accordingly, and I think that's perfectly fine. It shows DCP made a good job at directing how you should feel about the characters he writes without telling you directly so.
Meanwhile Tommy is presented almost always exclusively through bad lenses - either as your godfather, as a friend, as Jody's stepbrother or as any kind of figure you rely on, he's terrible at it, unrepentant about it and his reasons are almost always framed as selfish, and simply him wanting to indulge himself. The exception to that when he's motivated by wanting the greater good of the Fraternity, even that gets deconstructed later on since he just projects himself on the frat. The only scene where he's presented as positive is when you have a frank talk with him at the strip club by picking the Derek route, and even that doesn't seem to change anything.
The above view goes for both the DIK and the CHICK paths, while Quinn gets a lot better mileage out of the DIK path, where instead of just being antagonistic like she is in the CHICK path, she's actually explored a lot more and has an interesting relationship with you with give and takes. If you don't like Maya and go down the DIK path, using her services, your interests align with Quinn a lot more than not. Tommy has no such benefit.
Thus, while they're both very similar if you make a basic outline for them, Quinn and Tommy end up being presented as different by the story itself and that influenced players emotions and feelings about them accordingly, and I think that's perfectly fine. It shows DCP made a good job at directing how you should feel about the characters he writes without telling you directly so.
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Definitely can't do that to John-Boy. Now getting with Heather, that I can get behind! Besides, Heather clearly wants the MC:You'd do that to John-Boy!? ..... for shame sir, for shame!
