VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

I mentioned this before, but.. it could be set up for the twist that Tybalt's shit is in-fact serious. Its a classic trope. The bumbling fool everyone ignores turns out to be a serious threat. DPC could just be lowering the players' guard in that regard, which lets the twist hit all the harder. The more I think about it, the more I feel Tybalt's plot is that eventually he'll be pushed around too much or spurned or just lose it that Jill refuses to take him seriously as a romantic interest or something, and he'll do something stupid that will have ramifications. Even if what he's trying to do fails, there will be something in it or fallout from it that'll have repercussions.

Because you're right. There's no reason to take Tybalt seriously right now. But DPC has still implemented the plotline, and so it will lead to something.

the problem is the timing

DPC ridiculed Tybalt when he showed himself as a threat, the scene where Tybalt wants to convince Jill not to see MC again, is not dramatic, it is ridiculous

if there was to be a turnaround, that was the moment.

and here I repeat myself, I know that I do it often ..., if Tybalt had accused Mc of what Mc really did (starting the fire system and ruining the fundraising of the Preps) in a serious way, then yes that Tybalt it would have been a real threat., or have the fire suppression system damaged Jill's piano...
but Tybalt asked for Jill's trust by lying to her, exaggeratingly foolishly

and then it remains clear that his is a bluff, it is not credible that he really denounces MC (and if he did he would push Jill even closer to MC, probably pushing her to help him in the lawsuit). neither he nor his threat is fearful.

and he's not even a sentimental threat, it's not credible that Jill will ever get close to him (because he's ridiculous and because he's a liar)


of course what I say refers to the case in which Mc is interested in Jill, if Mc is not interested Tybalt cannot be a threat by definition

 

[CAznable]

I like all those games, ("What a Legend" grew on me after I gave it a second chance), but to me, they're mostly forgettable ("City of Broken Dreamers" is the exception), and I'm not specifically "hanging out" for their next updates; I'd play them for sure, but I don't care either way.

I played "Once in a Lifetime" just last week for the first time, and when you mentioned it, I had to go back and look at it to remember what it was all about. It had an intriguing story, but there was nothing special about it.

Plus "What a Legend" hasn't been updated for almost 6 months and "City of Broken Dreamers" (while definitely an excellent story) last update was quite short.

It's mostly subjective, but in my view BaDIK stands alone due to the following combination:

• Nice renders with very emotive expressions
• Excellent sound track selection
• Laugh-out-loud humor
• Lots of enjoyable nuance and attention to subtle details
• Memorable and consistent characters - Characters that don't just exist for the mc - they have their own agency
• Flowing & polished dialogue
• Really impressive kissing animation
• Fun setting
• Lots of drama
• Obsessed fan base

The only thing it lacks is a clear direction, but he's just a young guy in college, he's there to learn, fuck, and get into trouble; not much other direction is required I guess.

Of course there are plenty of other good games, but they just exist to fill in the gap between BaDIK episodes.

All good points. And like I said I enjoy BADIK a lot, I love Jill & Sage and a couple other LIs, I agree with every point you made. But for me (And I know I'm in the minority on this site) I value the story in AVNs above all else, With AVNs you can do so much more, go so much farther than a normal game, tackle more Real issues. And for me that's one thing BADIK lacks for me, don't get me wrong, it's serviceable and it does have a lot of potential, and it is a whole bunch of fun to theorize what will happen next. but right now it's just serviceable imo.

And I'm not trying to discourage you or anyone from liking it, It's a ton of fun and a good gateway to the world of western AVNs, I'm just sharing my two cents about where it could improve.

 

[Malicre]

and here I repeat myself, I know that I do it often ..., if Tybalt had accused Mc of what Mc really did (starting the fire system and ruining the fundraising of the Preps) in a serious way, then yes that Tybalt it would have been a real threat. but Tybalt asked for Jill's trust by lying to her, exaggeratingly foolishly

And that's my main problem with Jill she's too nice and gullible, Hell i think all the girls in being a dik have issues, well except Jade she's the best and its because she has her shit together (mostly).

Some of us just want a women that's the complete package, even if she's married.

 

[felicemastronzo]

And that's my main problem with Jill she's too nice and gullible, Hell i think all the girls in being a dik have issues, well except Jade she's the best and its because she has her shit together (mostly).

to me those dialogues are not well written, or at least they seem poorly written with my level of English "Dawe's classmate"

but that Jill in the face of those accusations wants to take time to understand what really happened is credible and is consistent with her character.
her way of behaving and dealing with the situation remains too childish and naive for me compared to the image I had made of Jill

I mean, I accept what Jill does, it doesn't convince me how she does it

 

[Malicre]

to me those dialogues are not well written, or at least they seem poorly written with my level of English "Dawe's classmate"

but that Jill in the face of those accusations wants to take time to understand what really happened is credible and is consistent with her character.
her way of behaving and dealing with the situation remains too childish and naive for me compared to the image I had made of Jill

I mean, I accept what Jill does, it doesn't convince me how she does it

Eh, Jill always seemed like the typical goodie two-shoes "i'm saving myself for marriage" type of girl which is why i was never interested in her and i don't have a problem with women saving themself for marriage i just cant stand high maintenance women, especially gullible ones at that.

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

the problem is the timing

DPC ridiculed Tybalt when he showed himself as a threat, the scene where Tybalt wants to convince Jill not to see MC again, is not dramatic, it is ridiculous

if there was to be a turnaround, that was the moment.

and here I repeat myself, I know that I do it often ..., if Tybalt had accused Mc of what Mc really did (starting the fire system and ruining the fundraising of the Preps) in a serious way, then yes that Tybalt it would have been a real threat., or have the fire suppression system damaged Jill's piano...
but Tybalt asked for Jill's trust by lying to her, exaggeratingly foolishly

and then it remains clear that his is a bluff, it is not credible that he really denounces MC (and if he did he would push Jill even closer to MC, probably pushing her to help him in the lawsuit). neither he nor his threat is fearful.

and he's not even a sentimental threat, it's not credible that Jill will ever get close to him (because he's ridiculous and because he's a liar)


of course what I say refers to the case in which Mc is interested in Jill, if Mc is not interested Tybalt cannot be a threat by definition

Thats why I think it'll be something else he does. Thats what I meant by the latter half of my post. The blackmail is Tybalt puffing his chest. But its the not THE threat. The less seriously he's taken, the more he's dismissed, etc will build up the actual threat.

Until the prep party/blackmail, Tibbs has really just been this background dickhead. I'm seeing the blackmail as the start of Tibbs plotline. Its the inciting event that will lead to something else.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Thats why I think it'll be something else he does. Thats what I meant by the latter half of my post. The blackmail is Tybalt puffing his chest. But its the not THE threat. The less seriously he's taken, the more he's dismissed, etc will build up the actual threat.

Until the prep party/blackmail, Tibbs has really just been this background dickhead. I'm seeing the blackmail as the start of Tibbs plotline. Its the inciting event that will lead to something else.

sorry, in the second part I thought you were referring to reporting MC ...

it could be, but it would still be the next cycle, that of blackmail I don't see how it can be of great importance (if not as a premise for a second act as you assume)

 

[felicemastronzo]

Eh, Jill always seemed like the typical goodie two-shoes "i'm saving myself for marriage" type of girl which is why i was never interested in her and i don't have a problem with women saving themself for marriage i just cant stand high maintenance women, especially gullible ones at that.

all the characters seem pretty stereotyped to me (including MC) ...

I've ever met more girls like Jill than Sage (infamous fate) so I can't help but consider her more realistic anyway

let's say that before the sixth chapter Jill was second stable, now she is third tied but downhill

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

sorry, in the second part I thought you were referring to reporting MC ...

it could be, but it would still be the next cycle, that of blackmail I don't see how it can be of great importance (if not as a premise for a second act as you assume)

Either for a second act, or as the evolution of Tibb's plot. Like, if DPC wants to go 20eps or so, there's no way Tibb's blackmail is lasting to the end. So either it'll be a dud plotline, which I don't see happening, or its got to evolve and change up. The blackmail being Tibbs' first attempt, it failing, and then him putting his full efforts out of spite and rejection is a way things could go.

I really think the blackmail is a red herring thats meant to fail, and lead to something else. Especially since DPC has Tibbs' being ridiculed when, if its serious, he should be building up Tibbs instead of putting him down.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't believe much in the 20 episode estimate

to say 14 to 20 episodes is to say everything without saying anything, there is a huge difference between the two hypotheses and it is strange that there is all this uncertainty once the plot has already been defined.

in the end the gap returned to the same as the first statements (between the two he had made it clear that he was shortening the times by thinking only of 3 seasons), DPC has no real reason to be more precise. the more precise you are, the more fans complain if you deviate from the prediction.

in my opinion it's all safety margin that DPC wanted to take in case he wanted to dwell on some situations (as he admitted for example regarding Hells
Week)

 

[shazba]

I mentioned this before, but.. it could be set up for the twist that Tybalt's shit is in-fact serious. Its a classic trope. The bumbling fool everyone ignores turns out to be a serious threat. DPC could just be lowering the players' guard in that regard, which lets the twist hit all the harder. The more I think about it, the more I feel Tybalt's plot is that eventually he'll be pushed around too much or spurned or just lose it that Jill refuses to take him seriously as a romantic interest or something, and he'll do something stupid that will have ramifications. Even if what he's trying to do fails, there will be something in it or fallout from it that'll have repercussions.

Because you're right. There's no reason to take Tybalt seriously right now. But DPC has still implemented the plotline, and so it will lead to something.

the problem is the timing

DPC ridiculed Tybalt when he showed himself as a threat, the scene where Tybalt wants to convince Jill not to see MC again, is not dramatic, it is ridiculous

if there was to be a turnaround, that was the moment.

and here I repeat myself, I know that I do it often ..., if Tybalt had accused Mc of what Mc really did (starting the fire system and ruining the fundraising of the Preps) in a serious way, then yes that Tybalt it would have been a real threat., or have the fire suppression system damaged Jill's piano...
but Tybalt asked for Jill's trust by lying to her, exaggeratingly foolishly

and then it remains clear that his is a bluff, it is not credible that he really denounces MC (and if he did he would push Jill even closer to MC, probably pushing her to help him in the lawsuit). neither he nor his threat is fearful.

and he's not even a sentimental threat, it's not credible that Jill will ever get close to him (because he's ridiculous and because he's a liar)


of course what I say refers to the case in which Mc is interested in Jill, if Mc is not interested Tybalt cannot be a threat by definition

And that's my main problem with Jill she's too nice and gullible, Hell i think all the girls in being a dik have issues, well except Jade she's the best and its because she has her shit together (mostly).

Some of us just want a women that's the complete package, even if she's married.

to me those dialogues are not well written, or at least they seem poorly written with my level of English "Dawe's classmate"

but that Jill in the face of those accusations wants to take time to understand what really happened is credible and is consistent with her character.
her way of behaving and dealing with the situation remains too childish and naive for me compared to the image I had made of Jill

I mean, I accept what Jill does, it doesn't convince me how she does it

Eh, Jill always seemed like the typical goodie two-shoes "i'm saving myself for marriage" type of girl which is why i was never interested in her and i don't have a problem with women saving themself for marriage i just cant stand high maintenance women, especially gullible ones at that.

Thats why I think it'll be something else he does. Thats what I meant by the latter half of my post. The blackmail is Tybalt puffing his chest. But its the not THE threat. The less seriously he's taken, the more he's dismissed, etc will build up the actual threat.

Until the prep party/blackmail, Tibbs has really just been this background dickhead. I'm seeing the blackmail as the start of Tibbs plotline. Its the inciting event that will lead to something else.

If Tybalt hadn't lied about the details to Jill, and said:

• MC broke in to prep party
• Set off sprinklers to ruin party
• Almost damaged the piano
• Caused water damage to a lot of expensive items
• Preps are considering suing for damages

That would be more convincing (to us). He would be stating an actual case that he'd have grounds to sue for, and do serious damage to the MC's already lousy financial situation. That would have to be taken seriously.

Instead he lied, embellished the shit out of it, all to convince Jill on the spot that she should drop the MC right away. There's no way he'd state the events in a court case the same way he did to Jill. There'd be no proof of a fire, there were witnesses (Riona for a start - when he slammed her into a wall in his panic) that saw Tybalt run out of the house like a screaming toddler.

I'm sure there will be a single means to resolving this (or not resolving it at all if mc isn't on the path to penetrate Jill), but it'd be cool if there were multiple ways. I'd like to see the MC confide in Jade (only if he'd been dishing dick to her) and have her come down hard on Tybalt for being a little shit. But given the romance with Jade is optional, she probably won't be involved in the solution.

 

[Malicre]

I'm sure there will be a single means to resolving this (or not resolving it at all if mc isn't on the path to penetrate Jill), but it'd be cool if there were multiple ways. I'd like to see the MC confide in Jade (only if he'd been dishing dick to her) and have her come down hard on Tybalt for being a little shit. But given the romance with Jade is optional, she probably won't be involved in the solution.

Even tho Jade loves her kids (she said thats the reason she has stayed with Burke for so long) i have a feeling she thinks Tybalt is a lost cause.

 

[felicemastronzo]

If Tybalt hadn't lied about the details to Jill, and said:

• MC broke in to prep party
• Set off sprinklers to ruin party
• Almost damaged the piano
• Caused water damage to a lot of expensive items
• Preps are considering suing for damages

That would be more convincing (to us). He would be stating an actual case that he'd have grounds to sue for, and do serious damage to the MC's already lousy financial situation. That would have to be taken seriously.

Instead he lied, embellished the shit out of it, all to convince Jill on the spot that she should drop the MC right away. There's no way he'd state the events in a court case the same way he did to Jill. There'd be no proof of a fire, there were witnesses (Riona for a start - when he slammed her into a wall in his panic) that saw Tybalt run out of the house like a screaming toddler.

I'm sure there will be a single means to resolving this (or not resolving it at all if mc isn't on the path to penetrate Jill), but it'd be cool if there were multiple ways. I'd like to see the MC confide in Jade (only if he'd been dishing dick to her) and have her come down hard on Tybalt for being a little shit. But given the romance with Jade is optional, she probably won't be involved in the solution.

Tybalt would not have denounced him anyway, both because it would have been a sue based on summary clues, especially because Tybalt has no reason

because Tybalt doesn't care about MC, he cares about Jill. so at that point either Jill would have believed him and at that point MC would have to rebuild Jill's trust, or she would still have "forgiven" MC but from a weaker position, which would have forced Jill to be much more careful not to annoy Tybalt .

instead it is just a mishap that excites very little

 

[shazba]

Even tho Jade loves her kids (she said thats the reason she has stayed with Burke for so long) i have a feeling she thinks Tybalt is a lost cause.

mc: "How do you do it?"​

Jade: "I think about what's important. My career and kids."​

Jade: "The love for my husband is low priority compared to that."​

Jade: "And these days, it's as low as it can get."​

I'd forgotten about that conversation. The fact that she says "kids" adds fuel to the whole, "Sage and Tybalt are siblings" theory.

Is there anywhere that gives the disctinct impression that she's not too impressed with Tybalt?

The only conversation between the two that I recall is:

Jade: "I know, I know. But I'm here now, am I not?"​

Tybalt: "Is that what you chose to wear?"​

Tybalt: "I was hoping for something a little bit more...expensive."​

Jade: "Don't give me lip."​

Tybalt: "Pardon me, I'm on edge."​

Tybalt: "All eyes are on me tonight. I can't afford to look like a fool."​

Jade: "Mhm. Is Stephen here?"​

Tybalt: "Yes, father is around here somewhere."​

Burke: "Honey?"​

Tybalt: "There he is!"​

Jade: "Fetch mommy a martini, would you?"​

Tybalt: "Oh! I just got a jar of olives fresh from the pantry."​

Tybalt: "One martini is coming right up."​

Doesn't sound too bad.

The flipside could be she's got it bad for Tybbles, hence the mother/son roleplay when mc first fucks Jade!

 

[Malicre]

The flipside could be she's got it bad for Tybbles, hence the mother/son roleplay when mc first fucks Jade!

Easy way to kill off the Jade fanbase if DPC ever felt the need too.

 

[felicemastronzo]

mc: "How do you do it?"​

Jade: "I think about what's important. My career and kids."​

Jade: "The love for my husband is low priority compared to that."​

Jade: "And these days, it's as low as it can get."​

I'd forgotten about that conversation. The fact that she says "kids" adds fuel to the whole, "Sage and Tybalt are siblings" theory.

Is there anywhere that gives the disctinct impression that she's not too impressed with Tybalt?

The only conversation between the two that I recall is:

Jade: "I know, I know. But I'm here now, am I not?"​

Tybalt: "Is that what you chose to wear?"​

Tybalt: "I was hoping for something a little bit more...expensive."​

Jade: "Don't give me lip."​

Tybalt: "Pardon me, I'm on edge."​

Tybalt: "All eyes are on me tonight. I can't afford to look like a fool."​

Jade: "Mhm. Is Stephen here?"​

Tybalt: "Yes, father is around here somewhere."​

Burke: "Honey?"​

Tybalt: "There he is!"​

Jade: "Fetch mommy a martini, would you?"​

Tybalt: "Oh! I just got a jar of olives fresh from the pantry."​

Tybalt: "One martini is coming right up."​

Doesn't sound too bad.

The flipside could be she's got it bad for Tybbles, hence the mother/son roleplay when mc first fucks Jade!

the danger of Jade being Sage's mother is there. but the same sweetness and patience she shows with Tybalt (but also the open-hearted confession with MC) doesn't go well with Sage's words about her mother. we'll see


on the discourse of roleplay ... it's all the son of the insane relationship between patreon and incest

out of 100 games for adults:
50 involve incest, with a patch or even by modifying personal relationships directly on the game
30 have situations and relationships that are identical to incestuous ones
the remaining 20 make jokes about incest

 

[frank14]

waiting on future updates, so great creation, great storyline and images. Good job

 

[Lostanddamned]

the danger of Jade being Sage's mother is there. but the same sweetness and patience she shows with Tybalt (but also the open-hearted confession with MC) doesn't go well with Sage's words about her mother. we'll see


on the discourse of roleplay ... it's all the son of the insane relationship between patreon and incest

out of 100 games for adults:
50 involve incest, with a patch or even by modifying personal relationships directly on the game
30 have situations and relationships that are identical to incestuous ones
the remaining 20 make jokes about incest

I don't think Sage is Tybalt's sibling , it's possible, but highly unlikely. The things we know so far about Sage's parents are that her dad was or was supposed to be at the party (hence the red herring of that redheaded guy looking for his daughter) and that she's avoiding him, but also her parents are influental enough to be able to help with Chad's situation.

The reason I don't buy is that Sage is Stephen and Jade's daughter is that Stephen has to be insane to be involved in a prostitution ring involving the sorority that his daughter is the president of.

 

[Warscared]

Even tho Jade loves her kids (she said thats the reason she has stayed with Burke for so long) i have a feeling she thinks Tybalt is a lost cause.

thats why i suspect she is Tybalt harasser online!
Also Tybalt and Sage are around the same age and the twin twist is already over used! However there´s another brave and stunning young man going around the college on the nude and not giving a care in the world called John B. the B can stand for Burke!

My other perspective is Sarah but that would make her JB 1 year younger sister!

Another possibility would be something like a kid every 5 years (give or take) which would explain Jade resentment towards Stephen since not giving birth is what allowed him to reach the position of Dean at R&B, so her current sexual awakening can put a timer on how many kids she as and where they are atm so the youngest 6 years old give or take and oldest would be 23-26 depending on how young she had the 1st one!

Women biological clock on a regular woman, and do remember there is always plenty of diversity, means that up until her 20`s they can birth out 1 kid every year starting as early as 11 years old, the youngest case i believe was a Peruvian girl of 6 years (yeap there are freaks of nature out there), on their 20`s by several conditions they reduce their hability to 1 kid every 2 years and on their 30`s give or take 1 kid every 3 years, so Jade being in her 40`s where it`s normally not advisable to have more then 2 kids could mean her youngest finally left the todler phase and she is aiming at her 2nd 40`s kids

on their 50`s there is no more kids but i met an English lady who had her youngest at the age of 67 and heard stories of an Indian Lady who had kids even later so always remember that there are freaks of nature out there!

On the intro to ep6. Sage is clearly already Hot president so she had to be on her 2nd year at least and Tybalt is either president or VP handling Rusty application into the ANU!

out of 100 games for adults:
50 involve incest, with a patch or even by modifying personal relationships directly on the game
30 have situations and relationships that are identical to incestuous ones
the remaining 20 make jokes about incest

like there is not some sort of incest when choosing people who resemble your mother in the case of boys or fathers in the case of girls! I don´t mean physically but in terms of personalities and temperaments, you would discover that 80% of couples have subconsciously chosen their own mother or father to replicate into their relationship because that is their reference and they learned how to act from a young age so its comfortable and easy!

it can even explain why so many marriages fail nowadays since more and more single parent household kids are out there (like the MC) who haven´t even a reference to how its supposed to work once the passion dies down and you actually have to start living with another human being with her own needs desires and quirk´s!

 

[dalli_x]

I understand, in my opinion, so that the game is about growing up. In EP1 to EP5 you could stay neutral and you had time to find yourself. But in EP6 you have to decide what affinity you want the MC to have. (DIK or CHICK)

Review
DIK away: fun, party, lots of sex, violence, destruction, chaos, loss, lies, etc.
CHICK away: fun, party, sex, honesty, winning, acceptance etc.

In my opinion, the way of a DIK is that of a guy who doesn't want to grow up and is always mourning his past. (And that is absolutely not masculine)
On the way as a chick, you have to make decisions that (especially when it comes to women) have consequences. And a real man, faces difficulties and challenges.

And now the question is, what should your MC be?
By the way. Just because you have CHICK as an affinity, you can still make a DIK decision.

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