VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Heycock]

I guess non-Italian speakers don't grasp the pun:

Felice MaStronzo (name + surname) = Joyful But An Asshole

Ahhhhhh. That has sense.
I kew the Felice part, but not the Ma stronzo.
In spanish "ma stronzo" is quite similar to "mi trozo" with means: "My piece" or (in argentinian), "My dick". I thought his name was something like "Happy my dick".
Wich in argentinian is actually a quite funny sentence.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Really felice? Now the story is always right? One of our last arguments you claimed that this story was full of unbelieveble stupid people and that was breaking your suspension of disbelief. Now that i partially agree with your statement you denied it?
You love to have pointless arguments, do you?
I don't. I like to argue with a goal, wich is a mutual rational agreement where two people end with the same opinion regardless of what that opinion is as long as it'is the best. Sometimes it cannot be done but i always try and when i cannot means that i fail.

Well, not all stories can be always right. Sometimes a story contradict itself and then at some point it is wrong. Couse the only thing that is ever right is logic.
Also, you should not confuse "what you see" with "what it is".
You see Derek as an idiot, i dont. Who is right? well we will see, but at least one of us is seeing things wrong, or both.

Finally, when you analize a story there a lot more things that what is shown. Historical context, author's background, meta-narrative, narrative influences, narrative structure, public expectative.
It is Derek stupid? maybe but DPC sayd that he identified with him. I don't think DPC is stupid or that he sees himself as one. Then i dont think Derek is meant to be stupid, just goofy.
Yet if DPC sayd that Derek is stupid then it will be canonical to say that he is, regardless of my opinions over inteligence and stupidity.

"Maya needs someone to assist her in everything not just because she's the damsel in distress in the story"

"Damsel in distress". What an awfull expression. It is a discursive artifact made to blame the victim. You guys are going to somehow make me feminist even after all the fight that i put against thoose people.
I don't think thats your concient intention but it still is what it is.

Maya need help in one problem she has. That's not the same as everything. And that's how fiction works. If your understatement over someone needing help is to disqualified them putting the blame on him, calling "damsel in distress" and stupid then you will have a hard time reading any work of fiction.
Personally, you are cool felice, but beetween literature and you, i choose literature one millon times.



No, he didnt. He sayd Quinn uses the girls. Maya ask the obvious question, ¿how? and he never answer. Later Maya include MC in the plan as a collaborator. So, why Maya was stupid couse she forgot to ask and yet the MC get free couse he forgot to tell?. He had every information to knew that Maya's "dream" was to become a prostitute, yet he didnt explain that detail to her friend.
Later he become both her collaborator and her kinda "boyfriend". So, he wasnt smart enough to figure that the "free tuition" meant prostitution? or he wasn't smart enough to figure that her prude girlfriend will not accept prostitution? Why he collaborate with a plan that was not going to work and actually didn't?.



Man i literally answer that question the last post. They are friends, felice. You dont want your friends to fail and get out of college. That's why. You dont want to loose your girlfriend. That doesn't mean to be someone guardian for the love of god. That's the minimum friends do for each other, give advice, provide critial information and offer guide in difficult moments. But it is even worst, they were knowingly collaborating with that plan. They were a part of it, a team.

So, for you Josy didn't give a fuck Maya's position (wich is clearly not true "I give a fucking diarrea about you" Josy dixit). But she wanted to join the HOT's. She told Maya that the plan for the "free tuition" is excelent and will solve all thier problems, but the only thing she wanted was to join the HOT's. Lovely girl.

About the last question... is clear that for you guys to conclude "It is Maya fault" is an imporant thing. So let's talk about fault.

It is Patrick fault. Primarialy couse he started all of this and with malice.
Then it is DPC fault for building a story that doesnt have sense and does not takes into account details.

Then came the plot holes, and there if you insist in cannonized them:

Then it was also Maya fault for not asking, (happy?)
Then it is Quinn fault for having and ilegal ring and to fool Maya and not even clarified even when it was in her best interest.
You also get to Burkes fault for allowing and using this ring.
Then it is MC fault for being a shitty or stupid friend.
Then it is Josy fault for being a stupid friend.
Finally it is also Sage fault for living in Candy land when her sorority was being taken by an ilegal ring.

where would be the contradiction? precisely because for me the story is always right that there are scenes that I don't particularly like because they put my suspension of disbelief to the test. otherwise I would decide which are the things that happen and which are the things that are faked.

the fact that Maya knows that her father has the keys to her room doesn't make Maya look good to me, but since it happens I have to accept it.
the same way I accept that Sage decides to ask MC for another chance after seeing his bulging shorts

some things I like, others less (and if possible I avoid them in the runs), but I accept them all

then of course the interpretation of what we see can be different from person to person, and can also change over time when new elements are added.

"damsel in distress" is a narrative archetype (like the hero, the master, the deus ex machina etc) since the world exists, it's a bit old-fashioned but present in many past and present stories. it's not that if you use it for Maya it becomes despicable.

the negative judgement is all your prejudice, Maya's narrative role is that, all the princesses of the classic fairy tales are damsels in distress

Mc warns Maya, that's a fact, that MC knows that Quinn wants to make her a restaurant girl is your interpretation that I don't share (until proven otherwise girls are voluntary). MC warns her about Quinn, and the fact that he later (could) offers to help her is also meant to defend her from the danger Quinn poses.

what danger does Maya run in completing the scavenger hunt? for me pratically none, she has MC and Josy by her side, they found the ruse to not leave evidence in Quinn's hands, at best it will prove to be all a waste of time.
it's naive to think that free tuition existed, but i don't see any danger in completing the scavenger hunt (which on balance proves to be a good idea anyway giving Josy a place to "hide" and putting Maya on Sage's radar)


I'm sorry that you like BADIK so little.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I still think Quinn took an interest in MC at first glance. Each time she sees MC and Maya she says something like "Barbie and Ken" etc. so jealousy might've played some part there. At least initially.
Add that the fact that Maya is nowhere near a girl who'd be interested in being a HOT, she just wants the free tuition. She is definitely not a partying type. That may have pissed her too.
Imagine someone trying to get close to you and your group of friends because they heard you give money away. And that someone doesn't even hide that fact, asks 7/24 about money.
You ask them to do something. She asks "if I do that I will get money, right?" When that happens to a mean person like Quinn, well she'll mess with her for sure.
Additionally, I don't think Quinn made that list because she was only being mean to Maya. I believe she just wanted her to give up (every other daughter as present at the DIK party but nobody asked Maya to come, remember?), but surprisingly she started working for the list and that pissed Quinn off more.
Like, every other girl in HOTs likes to party, or was interested in being a member of a sorority. Even Josy. Maya? She literally calls them "sluts" right at the beginning of the game Obviously looks down on them too.
I don't think the HOTs would fail to notice that, so she'll walk a rough path from now on. Hopefully she'll move on and try to enjoy her life in HOTs. I doubt that but hey, I also hope that. We already have enough drama in the game. It'd be fine if we stopped living through drama for a while

I don't know, what muddies the waters is that Riona is convinced that Quinn wants Maya in the restaurant.
it's possible Riona's got it all wrong, Quinn doesn't really keep her in the loop that much.

after giving her the list, Quinn is actually completely disinterested in Maya (she is objectively distracted by other matters), so in reality she does not even enjoy the difficulties Maya would have to face.

No action of Quinn's though seems to be able to really bring Maya into the restaurant, keeping her out of the HOTs would be an extra difficulty anyway

Maybe it was all about the evidence of the passed tests being blackmailed. Possible, but luckily I'd say the danger was avoided.

She just wanted to have fun with her? Seems like the easy answer.

 

[mindern]

Do the girls working for Quinn know about the Burke deal or are they under the impression the money they earn goes directly to funding their tuition?

Quinn make reference to how much each girl earns, says how Sarah and Mel are making enough but the other aren’t and they’d need more girls. She must be taking a cut of their work. But how much?

Quinn could be pocketing the cash from the girls and telling them it’s going to their tuition when it isn’t. That’s pretty irredeemably shitty if the case.

These girls are doing god knows what with god knows who under the impression they’re getting tuition outta it when really they could just be fucking Burke for the same deal. Even if they’re getting a cut of the cash on top they’re not getting their full “wages” if she’s convinced them some goes to tuition. If they do know why are they going along with it? Why are the girls funding whatever the fuck is going on with Quinn? Goodness of their hearts?

Way I see it either they know and it’s absurd anyone would whore themselves for someone else’s financial gain or they don’t know and Quinn is tricking girls into prostitution to fund whatever is going on with her. I don’t care if it’s a sick mother… christ she could be funding a children’s hospital in a war zone and it still wouldn’t make it right. She can be as Tsundere as she likes but tricking girls into prostitution is kinda irredeemable in my eyes.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Do the girls working for Quinn know about the Burke deal or are they under the impression the money they earn goes directly to funding their tuition?

Quinn make reference to how much each girl earns, says how Sarah and Mel are making enough but the other aren’t and they’d need more girls. She must be taking a cut of their work. But how much?

Quinn could be pocketing the cash from the girls and telling them it’s going to their tuition when it isn’t. That’s pretty irredeemably shitty if the case.

These girls are doing god knows what with god knows who under the impression they’re getting tuition outta it when really they could just be fucking Burke for the same deal. Even if they’re getting a cut of the cash on top they’re not getting their full “wages” if she’s convinced them some goes to tuition. If they do know why are they going along with it? Why are the girls funding whatever the fuck is going on with Quinn? Goodness of their hearts?

Way I see it either they know and it’s absurd anyone would whore themselves for someone else’s financial gain or they don’t know and Quinn is tricking girls into prostitution to fund whatever is going on with her. I don’t care if it’s a sick mother… christ she could be funding a children’s hospital in a war zone and it still wouldn’t make it right. She can be as Tsundere as she likes but tricking girls into prostitution is kinda irredeemable in my eyes.

Burke's role is not at all clear

is he Quinn's boss (at least for the restaurant) or is he part of Quinn's organization?
was Mona's scholarship that he cancels real (i.e. paid by some charity/state) or fictitious (i.e. to be covered sooner or later with real money)?

from a realistic perspective Burke seems to be risking way too much to have sex with some student.

 

[Heycock]

Maybe thats my life now. Explain Maya character once and again and again to trolls until the end of times. Some sort of literary hell I am for hating that series of awfull books about the roman republic.

where would be the contradiction?

That people who is presented and meant to be smart actually makes really stupid desitions.

precisely because for me the story is always right that there are scenes that I don't particularly like because they put my suspension of disbelief to the test. otherwise I would decide which are the things that happen and which are the things that are faked.

That's not the story being right. Why you give such importance to that kind of insignificant details instead of enjoying the story...
No, you don't decide, you judge acording to:
"Historical context, author's background, meta-narrative, narrative influences, narrative structure, public expectative."

the fact that Maya knows that her father has the keys to her room doesn't make Maya look good to me, but since it happens I have to accept it.
the same way I accept that Sage decides to ask MC for another chance after seeing his bulging shorts

some things I like, others less (and if possible I avoid them in the runs), but I accept them all

Thats not fair. Bulging shorts were stupid when you were young. Nowdays they are cool enough.

"damsel in distress" is a narrative archetype (like the hero, the master, the deus ex machina etc) since the world exists, it's a bit old-fashioned but present in many past and present stories. it's not that if you use it for Maya it becomes despicable.

the negative judgement is all your prejudice, Maya's narrative role is that, all the princesses of the classic fairy tales are damsels in distress

Really?, couse here usually goes along with the expressions "inmature", "stupid" "it's her fault". But sure it's me seeing things.
The archetype is the "victim", and it is almost universal. That you people get angry with the "victim" instead of the perpetrator...
And Deus ex Machina is not an archetype is an artifact.

Mc warns Maya, that's a fact, that MC knows that Quinn wants to make her a restaurant girl is your interpretation that I don't share (until proven otherwise girls are voluntary). MC warns her about Quinn, and the fact that he later (could) offers to help her is also meant to defend her from the danger Quinn poses.

And you have choosen: "The MC was not smart enough to connect odds". Way more stupid than Maya.
Oh, defending her? He did a great job in defending her. The only thing he did was getting a double blowjob, and he forgot to say: "Hey that girl is a proxenet, she wants you to prostitute"

what danger does Maya run in completing the scavenger hunt? for me pratically none, she has MC and Josy by her side, they found the ruse to not leave evidence in Quinn's hands, at best it will prove to be all a waste of time.
it's naive to think that free tuition existed, but i don't see any danger in completing the scavenger hunt (which on balance proves to be a good idea anyway giving Josy a place to "hide" and putting Maya on Sage's radar)

Maya calls it a torture. Some lovely folks call her stupid for doing it. So... yeah sure none.
In my country we call "free tuition" public education.
So if you believe free tuition existe you are naive. MC and Josy and half of campus believe it. Ergo: MC, Josy and half of campus are naive.
That was my point. How are you going to change the focus of the argument this time?.

I'm sorry that you like BADIK so little.

Oh dont be sorry for that, i love BADIK. If you want to be sorry for me, be sorry couse i am having this argument.

 

[OFT]

Because everyone was doing tiers...

 

[Animesh Anomitra]

hello everybody, first post - love the game, love this thread almost as much No outrageous conspiracy theory from me though, just a simple question.

I had a save on the Maya/Josy path that at the end of Ep 7 saw the MC & Josy enter the gym holding hands: I lost this save and despite replaying with what I thought were the same decisions, the hand-holding didn't occur. Does anyone know how the handholding gets triggered and is it an indicator of something that might happen in later episodes?

 

[The Pink Royce]

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Maybe thats my life now. Explain Maya character once and again and again to trolls until the end of times. Some sort of literary hell I am for hating that series of awfull books about the roman republic.



That people who is presented and meant to be smart actually makes really stupid desitions.



That's not the story being right. Why you give such importance to that kind of insignificant details instead of enjoying the story...
No, you don't decide, you judge acording to:
"Historical context, author's background, meta-narrative, narrative influences, narrative structure, public expectative."




Thats not fair. Bulging shorts were stupid when you were young. Nowdays they are cool enough.



Really?, couse here usually goes along with the expressions "inmature", "stupid" "it's her fault". But sure it's me seeing things.
The archetype is the "victim", and it is almost universal. That you people get angry with the "victim" instead of the perpetrator...
And Deus ex Machina is not an archetype is an artifact.



And you have choosen: "The MC was not smart enough to connect odds". Way more stupid than Maya.
Oh, defending her? He did a great job in defending her. The only thing he did was getting a double blowjob, and he forgot to say: "Hey that girl is a proxenet, she wants you to prostitute"



Maya calls it a torture. Some lovely folks call her stupid for doing it. So... yeah sure none.
In my country we call "free tuition" public education.
So if you believe free tuition existe you are naive. MC and Josy and half of campus believe it. Ergo: MC, Josy and half of campus are naive.
That was my point. How are you going to change the focus of the argument this time?.



Oh dont be sorry for that, i love BADIK. If you want to be sorry for me, be sorry couse i am having this argument.

You need to learn to ignore when they bait you

 

[Hesteros]

Because everyone was doing tiers...

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If only he learnt that MC banged his mum. An S tier moment would be if he caught them in the act.

 

[Heycock]

You need to learn to ignore when they bait you

Oh dont worry. We have a secret deal with Felice, we argued with each other, that way he gets more comments and i get more likes.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Oh dont worry. We have a secret deal with Felice, we argued with each other, that way he gets more comments and i get more likes.

 

[JETracktor]

hello everybody, first post - love the game, love this thread almost as much No outrageous conspiracy theory from me though, just a simple question.

I had a save on the Maya/Josy path that at the end of Ep 7 saw the MC & Josy enter the gym holding hands: I lost this save and despite replaying with what I thought were the same decisions, the hand-holding didn't occur. Does anyone know how the handholding gets triggered and is it an indicator of something that might happen in later episodes?

Handholding is an indicator of MC being in Maya + Josy relationship. You're just not in it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Oh dont be sorry for that, i love BADIK. If you want to be sorry for me, be sorry couse i am having this argument.

but are you talking to me or to the world?

Anyway, this desire is easily fulfilled, have fun.

 

[Animesh Anomitra]

Handholding is an indicator of MC being in Maya + Josy relationship. You're just not in it.

I'm definitely on the Maya/Josy path as the MC has been able to have sex with both of them in Ep 7, which I believe is only possible if you are on their path. I just didn't get the scene picture at the gym.

 

[Marley300]

If only he learnt that MC banged his mum. An S tier moment would be if he caught them in the act.

God I can't wait to see his face when he finds out the truth !
"That's right Tybby I stole your crush and now I'm going to be your new daddy "

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[The Pink Royce]

Handholding is an indicator of MC being in Maya + Josy relationship. You're just not in it.

haha friendzoned !

 

[AchedCroissant]

hello everybody, first post - love the game, love this thread almost as much No outrageous conspiracy theory from me though, just a simple question.

I had a save on the Maya/Josy path that at the end of Ep 7 saw the MC & Josy enter the gym holding hands: I lost this save and despite replaying with what I thought were the same decisions, the hand-holding didn't occur. Does anyone know how the handholding gets triggered and is it an indicator of something that might happen in later episodes?

If you are in a relationship with both of them that should happen automatically or at least fuck Josy at least 2 times in episode 7

 

[The Pink Royce]

hello everybody, first post - love the game, love this thread almost as much No outrageous conspiracy theory from me though, just a simple question.

I had a save on the Maya/Josy path that at the end of Ep 7 saw the MC & Josy enter the gym holding hands: I lost this save and despite replaying with what I thought were the same decisions, the hand-holding didn't occur. Does anyone know how the handholding gets triggered and is it an indicator of something that might happen in later episodes?

one is maya centric route and other is Josy centric . im guessing this maybe the dependence
You need to take Josy centric .

when they ask MC for help with the list choose Josy for BJ

 

[Animesh Anomitra]

If you are in a relationship with both of them that should happen automatically or at least fuck Josy at least 2 times in episode 7

I think that might be it. H/T to your good self