Quinn is completely in the wrong on this. I think that's precisely why she's so angry about it; it's hard to maintain her self-image as a cunning chessmaster when her pawns can easily point out her mistakes. Unfortunately, the only way Quinn seems able to deal with that dichotomy is to completely stonewall any sense of introspection and lash out whoever tries to help her make the connection.
I could not agree with you more. Very very well said. While i am glad that the MC is finally starting to crack that shell around Quinn and we are seeing a tiny bit more of her "real" self, and taking into account her tragic backstory that explains why she is how she is, I'm hoping for more character development from her and a possible redemption arc? Doubtful but its possible. As for her pimping ring, i was never really comfortable with it and when i found out it was just Quinn using the girls to fund her and Tommy'd drug habits, I was a hair away from starting a new game just to avoid as much HOT content as possible so im not worrying about saving the girls in it.
Given that the only way to help Riona is to fuck her, I'm hoping she'll be okay without our help, too.
Riona, sadly, is one of the characters that i like a lot. I don't even know why, i just do. I keep wanting to "rescue" her from Quinn, knowing that Quinn doesnt give a shit about anyone and is only using her to fund her drug habits.
Which, IMHO, is basically the deal with Maya and Josy. Maya could simply come out and be with Josy openly, accepting whatever consequences follow. She chooses not to, because the risks are very high and she thinks she can endure the discomfort long enough to remove her father's threat and still be with Josy. Whether or not she's right, it's not a position that should be dismissed out of hand.
You just nailed it. This is not 1965. There is even a gender studies course in the game ffs. One assumes they are in America during present day, and that means that homosexuality has long been accepted, religious parents non-withstanding. Besides, the DIKS and HOTS and even the teachers are so sexually depraved that they would give 0 fucks who is fucking who.
My argument with ALL of the "angst" plots in this game are that they don't meet a credibility check. Tybalt blackmailing Jill by threatening legal action against MC? Maybe, if you assume that Jill was just another penniless college girl, but she's NOT. She is ONE OF THE MOST RICH AND POWERFUL PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOL. If you take into account her family, money, status, and power, she could EASILY crush Tybalt in court, or at least block any legal attempt of his against the MC. My anger with Jill is that she has no back-bone. She cant or wont stand up to anyone, and she is so "stubborn" that her refusal to accept help has put her on an NTR path with the scummiest, stupidest, most inept antagonist in the history of porn games. Same argument with MAYA. GROW A PAIR. Instead of doing all these back-door secret schemes to hide your relationship and figure out how to get around your dad's control of your tuition money, GET A JOB. She wouldn't be the first person to have to work her way through college.
Personally, I find the CHICK path more compelling because I find the resulting crude behavior and obsession with casual sex unpleasant. Simple as that. CHICK's still get opportunities for snark, after all.
I preferred the CHICK path as well, as I find it much more in line with my character's background and character. He came from a loving family, with a tragic past with good reason to respect women and to be sensitive to their feelings and needs. This game throws you into choices beyond your control (like joining DIKs), which is fine, I accept that because its the plot (even though it goes completely against the MC character). I mean the only reason the MC even pledges is because he needs a place to stay and he's mad because the jocks took his guitar? Really compelling.
So right away you are thrown in with a group of people that honestly have little to no moral standards, they even put items on your hell week list like "fuck a teacher". Which they honestly expect your character to do, regardless of his willingness. Same for the HOT's. Asking your girlfriend(s) to have threesomes, fuck someone, etc.. I'm sorry how is that AT ALL cool with anyone? If anyone asked me to do that at the frat i was pledging for i would walk the fuck out right there, wondering how the fuck i even got into that situation in the first place. Prostitution: performing sexual acts in return for services or goods for financial or personal gain. Yeah sorry my mc is no man-whore and i sure as hell don't want my g/f(s) pledging to a sorority that is literally a prostitution ring. *looking at you Josy* (no idea why she insists so hard on joining, since the only reason she was doing it in the first place was to help Maya). When Maya refused to join (rightly so), Josy should have left too, right then and there, but we find out that Josy really isn't what we thought she was.
Really, DPC should have scheduled the date with Jill first, to make it a much less one-sided choice.
That is one of my critiques on the writer's choices as well. There are times when you are forced to make a "major choice" which affects you negatively later, when the choice you are forced to make appears really easily solvable.. Call Jill, tell her Sage is sick, she would definitely understand you and be ok with you going to take care of Sage, and therefore have 0 negative affects (reschedule the date = problem solved).
Yes, Jill is turning out to be a much less interesting character than it first appeared, which is a real shame. Virgin drama is tiresome IHMO, but the real problem is her egregious stupidity.
Tybalt has never made a secret of his elitist views, yet Jill still seems surprised at the contents of his anti-welfare presentation. Plus, she recognizes that Tybalt is blackmailing her to have dates with him and agreed to his terms... but apparently never realized that she'd actually have to go on those dates! It takes a week for her just to beg Bella to get her out of the mess she specifically volunteered for! Bella can lampshade it all she likes, that makes no sense.
I mean, I want to sympathize with Jill; making a sacrifice for a loved one is a classic trope. But this has to be one of the worst implementations of it I've ever seen. On top of that, the game makes it clear that Tybalt is
zero (zip, zilch, nada) threat to the MC. He's an incompetent boob who's been nothing but a laughingstock for 7 episodes running, and his punishments keep getting worse! The way this game is going, if he did try to get the MC in legal trouble, Tybalt would probably wind up tortured by Jack Bauer on suspicion of terrorism.
Frankly, this has been a mess. I'm hoping Jill can recover if this blasted blackmail subplot finally dies, but it's sure taking its sweet time dying.
As i briefly pointed out above, You are 100% correct again. Jill was one of my favorites, as she was rich, yet she was kind, caring, sweet, and loveable. Tybalt is a fucking clown and since the beginning nobody took him seriously, my only surprise is that she kept taking his words at face value and falling into his stupid little schemes EVERY TIME. When it started becoming clear that Jill (presumably being one of the most powerful and rich people in the school) would not use her power to put Tybalt in check, even going so far as to allow herself to be blackmailed by TYBALT of all people, I lost interest in her altogether. I hope her and Tybalt have a long and horrible life together and good riddance. I mean in what universe does the "get your girlfriend to go along on dates you dont want to be on to save you from them" scheme actually WORK in blackmail situations?
Well, my main route is Maya/Josy, exclusive so I've seen all the friendship Sage path stuff. And I've been hoping we would get another chance to date her properly when Chad finally broke up with her. That said, I was a little disappointed that the scene plays out as just an over-the-top sex fest with no real discussion of what else might happen between them.
I mean, I get that Sage likes sex, doesn't like introspection, and isn't ready to leap into a new relationship. But I would think an MC (particularly a CHICKish one) who didn't feel comfortable cheating with Sage would want something a little more involved than a very public roll in the hay with Sage. Maybe it's just me, but I think I'm slightly less enthusiastic about my planned CHICK Sage non-fuck buddy run now than I was back before I knew it would be possible.
On a similar note, it's odd that fuck buddies automatically want more with Sage this time out, without any say so on our part. Perhaps that would create too much branching even for DPC. It's clear the whole "rebound guy" issue is going to be a thing for a while. I guess we'll see what happens when Episode 8 rolls around and we the MC and Sage have time to explore their new relationship outside the heat of the moment.
Sadly, Sage was a sore spot for me as well. DIK or CHICK the Sage route is frustrating. Sage is the leader of HOTs and she did not know about the pimping ring, and so for me I expected her to be a more solid character. When she just jumped me at the party and just wanted to fuck even when she was still dating Chad (in public i might add), I was saddened. I get that she (like everyone in the game) has a casual attitude towards sex, but... yeah that whole thing confusing as fuck and .. fuck buddies... yeah ok fun and the route was pretty sweet since you arrive at the same "rebound guy" point as the CHICK route, but it feels... cheap.
It's pretty clear Josy has very strong feelings for the MC despite her feelings for Maya. I think, in vacuum, she would choose Maya over the MC if it came down to it, because as she says, she doesn't want to be a cheater. But as we saw back in Episode 2, when things aren't in a vacuum it's not certain how she would act. If Maya keeps taking her frustrations out on Josy, she probably would choose the MC over Maya.
As I see it, that means the key to keeping Maya & Josy together is to help them find healthier ways to express their fears and frustrations when they can't be together. The real question is how to combine that with being a direct part of their relationship.
Agreed, however the solution is much simpler. As Heather is a HOT and has a room in the HOT dorms, she spends most of her time living with Tommy in the DIKS mansion. The solution would be for Maya to keep her dorm room but stay with the MC in the DIK mansion. If they are going to continue this stupid game of trying to fool her dad, then that way if he shows up she has her dorm room she can meet him in and he's none the wiser. Josy can be registered in the same room as Maya but stay with the MC in his (very large) library room in the mansion as well, thereby ensuring that: Nobody else gets assigned to Maya's dorm room, and all 3 of them are together where they are free to live their relationship without interference.
